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1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

ha! Fair point, but then again for cameramen it kinda makes sense as for them sound is (unfortunately) a low priority so minimal earbuds is an appropriate match for what they want/"need". 

Earbuds are not very good for the ear in general. I do not use them! 

Any production that allows me to wear earbuds would make me feel anxious.

1 hour ago, Neumann Films said:

They 100% do.

100% is a very strong number,

another very definite percentage is 0%!

..better stick to my P4K then!! 

seriously, this is so stupid, and important to know, R6 just lost one point for me.

3 hours ago, ntblowz said:

Only 3rd party are not corrected , most Canon EF lens have correction done in camera

..and as I learn the hard way with my Pocket (my favorite Olympus 12-100mm is just..ok...), that is a huge issue with modern lenses.

I have the 18-135, is pretty silent. It is the last version though.

Can one adapt EF-S lenses on an RF camera with the ND adapter? Do they have a crop mode?

Is this camera still a good value in 2020? 

I am thinking to pick up a cheap m43 camera as a hybrid, but to have some video side as well just in case.

As I have plenty of cameras already, I want to find something relatively cheap.

Make Tripods Great Again!

Are we sure there is no m43 sensor development?

I can imagine that smaller sensors, especially, 1", but I hope m43 as well, can be a lot more useful than larger ones (appliances, military, automotive industry, e.t.c), were space is a lot more important than "toneh"(!), and we saw smaller sensors really having great ISO performance, and higher read speeds, less heat, e.t.c

The big hit will be 1" sensors on mobile phones and 360/VR cameras, but for video/photography, maybe 1" is a little limited.

Imagine, everyone is talking about "this camera phone, that camera phone" and we are talking mainly for smaller sensors having some very good performances.

Can @androidlad has anything about sensor develpment, I wonder?

Have anyone seen what a medium format looks like? maybe full frame is a small sensor, after all!

He says he doesn't want to reveal anything at the moment, but they will meet there (=GH6 announcement).

I just can not believe that there isn't a GH6 coming. There is no way it isn't on the pipeline.

They have the S series to care for now, let them sell some -few- bodies and lenses, release the new cheap-ish primes in September and finish with the firware updates, and then 2021 will be m43 time! 

The m43 cameras make the sales and bring revenue to the company, there is an Olympus user base that part of it will go to Panasonic the next couple of years (Olympus has a strong m43 user base with a lot of expensive lenses), especially if there is a higher resolution sensor with GH5S ISO capabilities, that will bring m43 closer to larger formats.

Pricing is another issue though, we see FF go for 1200-1400$ right now, maybe that is a turning point. If they can not beat those prices, maybe there is no point in offering m43 video workhorses and put out mediocre cameras just for the existing user base and just increase slightly the resolution.

1999€ GH6 will be a hard hard sell these days, except if brings amazing innovation.

1 hour ago, Aaron Smith said:

Hey there guys.  I'm gonna be in the market for a camera since I'm getting some inheritance (RIP Dad) and money is no object but I'm wondering how much better would this sort of thing be than a GH5s? Sure, the much larger sensor is an obvious win for a lot of things but I'm wondering how they'd compare for run-and-gun.  I'd be doing pretty basic stuff: dumb comedy sketches, shooting live music (when live music in the US happens again) and some guitar/bass/whatever playthroughs at home. I don't do photos.  I'm not sure I care about size because I have huge hands.

My other cameras are a Gx85 and a G85 if that makes any difference.  I'm quite invested in M43 at this point but not married to it.  I aim to have something that's gonna be easy to use by myself, without a crew or anything.  The limitations on recording for the S5 are disappointing but maybe that won't matter for my uses? Maybe I should be looking at the S1 or S1H instead? A

I dunno. Is there anything at all that a GH5s would do better than this thing?

Thanks.

Ask yourself, except IBIS, what the S5 can do better than the GH5S?

Save some of your money for whatever reason, you are still very young and you may have other needs later on.

I am waiting to see the GH6, to have the whole picture in front of me, it is time for an upgrade, and Panasonic just finished with the S cameras I believe (for now), it is time to concentrate on the GH6. 

Early next year, we probably have news, or even the release it self.

You do not care much about photography, so any will do fine, the A7sIII seems like the most serious video hybrid under 3.500$, but then you have to invest to lenses and the such. Lenses is the biggest part of a photo/video system, and can eat inheritances up quite easily! If you go with the holy trinity on Sony and the A7sIII, you are looking for a high 5 figure price already.

If you have the GH5S, you still have a great video tool, I wouldn't worry that much. Anyway, around Xmas we will see a lot of offers from camera makers, and probably have the first GH6 rumors, so come back then, it is my advice!

26 minutes ago, Trankilstef said:

I think i'll pass on the 20-60 wich seems great for a kit lens but I'll end up buying it with the cashback offer on lenses. 
I think buying it with the 16-35 f4 wich gives you a 600 euros cashback and still having the 45mm from Sigma for free, it's quite a good deal. If I need more range I still have my Panasonic 24-70 f2.8. 
The 16-35 f4 is not large by any means so it pairs well with the S5 in my opinion. My personal kit would be the S5 and those two lenses I think : 

How much in total money?

The 2080quids offer is amazing, adding an EF adapter would be just enough for me, but I would rather have this 16-35.

If I see such bundles around me (from an E.U country) I would be really tempted, for 2300euros (if that will be valid, I really doubt it will be so cheap in euro-land) you have an excellent starting pack, and I am not so crazy with the variable apperture of 20-60, as 5.6f-8f, is what I most use in full frame. Constant 4 would be amazing of course.

The crop is a bummer though, not punching in just stupid (I use the Focus anyway), and we have to see the overheating.

I hate to admit it, but Sony is doing all the right things lately!

I was waiting for so long for Canon to do the right things, and I stick to EF most of the times, but now Sony just seems like a wiser direction.

Still I believe Canon is a better lens company though. I do not like all the Sony lens desings.

so, what are the Video limitations so far? I saw a lot of overheating issues, do S1 and above have that as well?

What about the crop factors in various modes? 

Lesser EVF/Monitor, small HDMI, lesser water/dust proofing, smaller/older tech battery are not small things compared to the S1.

I am not sure why everyone is damning the S1, Pana has to bring most things from S5 to that camera, and continue sell it for a bigger price, as it should.

Of course maybe it is not (hardware) possible, we will see.

15 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

Actually, I might...

OK, in 2020, 12mp is not considered competitive, but you know what, when I was shooting my Nikon D3S’s circa 2009-2012, I thought the pictures they produced were everything I needed. And then some. And err... 12mp!

But I have to admit I’d need to test one (A7S3) to be totally confident because other than maybe a need for a lot of cropping (I don’t) I think 12mp probably would cut it for my wedding needs.

I am not a mgpxls junkie at all (not a FF one either, actually I believe APS-C is the golden ratio) but straighten the horizon, fixing some lenes's imperfection will eat some of those megapixels fast!

I am not even sure 20mgpxls are enough (spoiled by NX 28mgpxls, since 2015), but maybe the R6 will be alright.

Sii has similar sensor, why do not try that one?

There are many full frame systems around, I am not sure if we need another one. 

There are billions of people in the world, I am not sure if it is fair for Fuji to make everyones wish true.

GH5 is still THE workhorse video camera, the S5 is full of video limitations, or at least, not as advanced as we hoped to be for a current camera.

Not able to punch in on a video tool, is just not good..what is the point to buy a small-ish camera, if the AF is not top notch and if you have to use an external monitor a lot of times.

I read the reviews and I can not say that this camera will drag me to the Alliance (even though it sounds like something out of Star Trek!).

I am not sure if this release is so significant to fight an R6 and vND EF adapter combo..

I have a white 70-200 collecting dust for a couple of years now, even being capable of using all those EF lenses being in milions of households (literally!) is a huge boost for R cameras, the vND is solving most of my issues, can use my EF vdslr suitcase as well "natively".

What are the messages they sent to S owners? why not just bring a huge upgrade to the S1, and release a 1699$ S5 camera, or even better an 1499$ one, to fight the RP and the such. They already had an 1999$ one! A7iii is already under 1799$ and I can see it go down more real soon.

I am not sure if Panasonic plays the game right. In sales I saw 4.7% for both Panasonic and Fuji, I can see Fuji with a few more lenses (newer designs, better video zooms) and a couple of bodies from now until next summer, go above Panasonic in total sales. Who would have thought a couple of years ago? I wouldn't, Pana has a strong video and camera department, and Fuji seemed like the odd one out, but that is not the case anymore.

I believe Pana needs a new GH sooner than later, or they are going to loose a lot of sales. Selling a "new" full frame mount is not an easy task. 

A7sIII is like the Canon camera we were all waiting for, after A7iii, Sony makes meaningful releases. They are more serious, they have confidence, they are established now. Alas, the Siii is not a hybrid camera, none will buy it for the photo side of things. I was just disgusted by earlier Sony releases, but I have to admit, they fixed most things now, not much to complain, maybe a bit better ergonomics. Is the A7iv going to be the best hybrid ever?

IBIS is so much overated..

I dunno..just thinking out loud.

We just wrap a feature shot with the FX9 and it is surprisingly small for such a camera.

If the 6 is smaller, is a lot less than you think.

Also, the FX9 is a full frame workhorse, I am not sure there are full frame workhorse videocameras smaller than this.

3 hours ago, zerocool22 said:

I wish Fuji would enter the full frame market. 

Why?

6 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

lol I wish!  Usually jobs for bigger name company they trust production company with team members more than 1 man band.. all about perception i guess?

my personal side job just few hundreds a day on the weekends, though this year due to covid I dont have much vs last year

I stopped photography activity completely since July 2019, that will hurt my next years also.

I am rearranging my prioroties and business model I think (I am not sure I have full control right now anyway), that is why I am not 100% sold to any camera or system.

I have to do some extra homework on adapters, as this S5 could be a good small/light solution, but my priority will probably be, to use more my EF lenses.

4 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

Well it's a company job, so have to pay wages to staff, pay rents for studio , pay electricity etc, different than work from home.

I thought it was your salary. Good gig!

2 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

It's all totally depend on user situation, if you are one man band or only have 1 camera surely A7siii is more better, but if you are in production house with lots of existing gear then it is another situation.

If we can still get 10k job with 8bit camera then why not..? lol  (did a Schneider Electrical for 11k last month.. on c200 with 8bit 4k)

You earned 11.000 from just one job?!

I used the C100mkII/C200 a lot in my life, still not having a 10bit codec in there is just unfair! I do some low budget 8bit stuff for social media mainly, but I do not do a lot of post, and certainly do not earn 11.000 per project!

38 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

I m waiting for RF cinema cam with the c200 sensor for $3500, that will match c200 perfectly.  (same sensor, same log, much smaller size)

78% sure that will be a disappointment!

What we want will be the "other" 6500$ Canon!

Is this 3.5K going to have any 10bit modes, for starters? If not, then what is the point in 2020?

Maybe, even the A7sIII will be a better video tool than a basic Canon video one.

Does anyone known what lenses can one adapt to these S cameras? What about EF? 

Why they do not have an m43 mode? A la crop mode? Imagine an S5 able to use natively an m43 lens. Is that even possible or I had one too many Negronis again?!

7 hours ago, herein2020 said:

For me the S5 is dead to me because of the lens mount. The cost of the body would be reasonable all the way up to around $2300USD to me, but having to buy new glass just gives me a headache. That's why I would much rather that a GH6 were released....I'd be willing to buy a new body if that was the only cost. But for me to spend upwards of $6K (body plus a few lenses) it will need to have better AF, and be useable as a true hybrid camera like I thought the R6 would be. I don't know why I still somehow think Canon will "fix" the R6, but that is my hope.

ahm..oummf...I am a bit like this at the moment, not ready to invest on a new system, some m43, EF and EF-S lenses around the house,  a Pocket somewhere on a closet, full set of NX system (4 cameras, 8 lenses), I was hoping the R6 would be "that", but it isn't, and more so I have a small issue with something that is unfixable, the mgpxls count is a bit on the lower side for me.

I will be waiting for the GH6, for sure, no way in this economy I buy anything out of G.A.S, but I am not that excited about anything, really.

Everything is missing some important point for a damn middle hybrid camera (even going to smaller sensors I am not 100%).

If they achieve GH5S ISO performance with a bigger resolution for photos, then I could probably be fine with the GH6.

If they "solve" some of the R6 issues early next year (together a price drop), it can be that. Nikon is trying hard, can it be? the alliance needs more lenses, and cheaper ones. Will the A7iv be the best Sony all arounder ever? Will Fuji bring a totally amazing camera, without missing some small, but important, points? All of these need some new lenses as well, maybe Canon has the advantage with the clever vND EF - RF adapter..

I do not think that all are so dramatic.

There is a huge m43 user base, and the smaller sensors have advantages, while m43 being in the special territory of not that small, and not that big, with all the advantages and disadvantages that brings.

I can propose another theory, everyone is getting excited with the big sensors, but what about smaller ones? It seems that most photos and videos are shot with tiny mobile sensors, why not a much larger m43 one?

Do you know about the electrochromic rear view mirrors?

"With the electrochromic material added to an auto-dimming mirror, electric voltage changes the way in which it absorbs and reflects light. An auto-dimming mirror usually has a set of cameras or sensors (photodiode-based photodetectors) that are light-sensitive semiconductors, which turn light into current."

There are more basic functions like glasses, e.t.c

It seems that when applying a tiny electric voltage you can control such mirror at will.

If anyone has the ability to put a very good neutral material in front, and control the darkening with steps (or f stops) then we would have amazing eNDs.