John Matthews

1 hour ago, ntblowz said:

R8 + 24-50 should be 671, 24-50 is only 210g but some website report it as 270g

Yeah, not sure why there's the discrepancy. I also made a mistake with the S5ii. I accidentally gave the S5 weight. The S5ii is a little heavier:

R8 + 24-50 is 671g

S5ii + 18-40 is 895g

S9 + 18-40 is 641g

It should be noted that the S5ii combo is fully weather-sealed and it has an integrated fan. The other two have none of that. I have to hand it to Panasonic for give us a useful, weather-resistant kit lens at only 155g.

With the S5D, it was a similar situation to the G100D (notice the "D"). Both needed some sort of compliance with EU rules and both probably had significant stock left- too much to simply write it off. So yes, they're finding a way to make money with them.

The other point is that the S5 has arguably better image quality over the S5ii due to less processing. I've never been able to verify that, but others say so.

Lastly, it should be noted that I'm eating my own words in that Panasonic issued a recall on their latest firmware update to the S9. No one understand exactly what was going on, but it was enough to temporarily stop the rollout. The S5ii isn't affected apparently.

Any comments? I think these setups are competing rather well with each other:

S9 + 18-40 = 641g

S5ii + 18-40 = 869g

R8 + 24-50 = 731g

Mind you, only the S5ii and R8 are real cameras with EVF, mechanical shutter, and hotshoe.

10bit matters a ton in mathematics and on spec sheets IMO. It also matters a little more when shooting log. I've only seen a few examples of pixel-peeping on a moving image where you can really see. The rest seem more about the processing of the 8bit image. I think lenses offer more in the quality of the image than the math involved with 8 vs 10bit. Sorry, I'm not much help in this discussion.

4 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

The focus on small full frame bodies and lenses to replace Micro Four Thirds is a clear new direction... 18-40mm lens on an S9 is an able replacement for a Micro Four Thirds cam.

So, it's a 9-20mm f/2.3-3.2 variable aperture lens equivalent at 155g. Would I get that for a small M43 camera? I’m not so sure. The current kit is the 12-32mm f/3.5-5.6 (with IS) at only 70g. I almost like this equivalency game in reverse—somehow, M43 is even more impressive. The GM5 already offers so much more than the S9, especially for photography, and it's way lighter and smaller. If we’re after small, Panasonic messed up the format. They should have put a GH7 sensor in there with a proper shutter and hot shoe. Again, it was a marketing snafu, in my opinion.

I'm no expert, but I can clearly see some avenues where Lumix has chosen to put their energy:

• PDAF (The AF has seen crazy amounts of innovation in only 20 months)
• Processing (Computational features like Live Composite mode and Hybrid Zoom)
• Tools (In many cases, these are another level above the competition, especially for anamorphic)

Their approach seems like one for the long term, with above-the-neck implementations that others don’t have. Now, they need to give us a body that includes a slightly more modern sensor—not even the latest and greatest (though that would be welcome). Again, they’re releasing firmware that includes NEW features for old cameras. That should be celebrated. Give us consistency and reliability, not just the checkboxes that say '4K 120fps 10bit 4:2:2 with AF and no crop.' For my usage, as long as the focus is on 24fps and image quality with tons of tools, that’s money better spent.

Wow. It sounds like everyone is giving up on Panasonic. Not me. I get the disappointment—no S1H II—but you still have to hand it to them for taking a different path of fewer camera updates and more firmware updates. Granted, they've seemingly screwed the pooch on two successive events: the S9 and the S9 firmware update. It seems this was mainly an attempt at a re-release of the S9, responding to the many complaints about it. Given the hardware they put in it, I think it's successful. No, it doesn’t have an EVF, mechanical shutter, or hot shoe, but they did address other issues. The new 18-40mm lens isn’t exactly God’s gift to lenses, but it's a good start to the lineup. Now, we need to see smaller primes for it to make some sense.

Personally, I won’t leave Panasonic now, nor will I entertain the idea for some time. I don’t see the point in chasing the latest and greatest without any serious need for the features they offer, and I intend to reward the company for continuing to make improvements. Sony offers firmware—it’s called a 'new camera.' Canon offers firmware when people complain enough. Nikon releases cameras and apparently forgets to check if they work as intended. Fuji used to issue major firmware updates, but now they just mess up their cameras. Panasonic is the only one giving a slow, methodical release schedule. Sure, their cameras don’t always hit home and their marketing is wacky, but I don’t see the snafus of other companies. I imagine they are proud of the cameras they release, and they’re probably equally proud of the cameras they haven’t released due to not being ready.

10 hours ago, Tim Sewell said:

At the moment everyone across Europe is feeling broke. I think it's in part PTSD from the pandemic. I would still, if advising a young person wanting to make a living from photography, tell them to get a solid little wedding business going and build from that, because it's cyclical and it will come back.

Austerity measures and inflation (at least in France) have made the situation worse for many. The few who are profiting are probably making money hand-over-fist. I imagine a family wanting to have a videographer and a photographer for a wedding with the later being the priority. When push comes to shove, I'd bet both don't get hired and some just say *uck it and have people share their cellphone shots. Sadly and regrettably, that's practically what I did when I got married. I only had ONE decent photo from the whole thing, a jpeg from crap phone. :(

Now, I use Topaz Photo AI to try and improve that ONE shot [insert affiliate link]! There's always a positive, you see!

5 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

It might suggest that they will go the whole way pretty soon and bring out a third one, this time with a 75mm lens like the Sigma DP3m.

Ahh, I looked at those Sigma cameras many times, but never really pulled the trigger. With the Merrill series, many said they had medium format quality, but the usability lagging. However, it became the "poor man's" medium format camera.

When you look at the files, they're amazing. I also find it interesting they reference the D800E sells for LESS in the used market than the Sigma DP2 Merrill. However, you're not getting the lens with the D800E.

For me, I just wanted the ability to make run and gun video; so, I never purchased either of these cameras.

I've been printing recently. It's so hard to see differences these days between sensor formats. Granted, I don't print much about A4, but I don't have the wall space or budget for much bigger. I think many people buy Leica because they're tired of getting "lost" in GAS- there is something enticing to that concept. Just put all the money you have for gear into ONE camera with a fixed lens. Now, you can ONLY create with that. There's something liberating in that.

I owned the Olympus E-m5ii for about a day. When I saw the moiré coming off that image, it was sent back in a heartbeat. There was no using it for anything video related. Funny that they marketed it for video because it felt like a bad joke. When you can't trust a camera 90% of the time for moiré, it just becomes unusable.

You CAN trust the E-m5 iii, E-m1ii, E-m1iii, and E-m10 iii (and iv), E-PL9, E-PL10, E-P7 and E-M1x (which is the bargain of the century IMO- just a little big). IMO, most of these Olympus cameras seem to produce better images than the cropped 4k images from Panasonic GX85, GX850, GX9, GX8, etc. However, the Panasonic cameras seems to better with less sensor (noise and less color weirdness). Panasonic always seems to blow away the 1080p of Olympus cameras. Also, most of the tools seem better. Honestly, I'd choose the camera with the best audio; for me, it's the E-M5iii, E-m1ii or iii, E-M1x. All the others don't have audio-in and have crap on-camera audio (get a decent sound recorder).

In France, I'll buy and sell on leboncoin.fr.

So does this mean we show up to a paid shoot with the brand new iPhone 16, some lights, and a fog machine? I suppose it shouldn't matter so much, but I have my doubts about getting called back; you might just get labelled as the person who showed up with a phone.

5 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

It's increasingly obvious that camera vendors should stop trying to build their own special magic chips (Bionz! Digic!  X-Processor Pro!) and figure out how to adopt current-generation smartphone processors.  Why build a dedicated chip on a 14nm process when you could build your system on a much more powerful chip that was built with 2nm that uses less power and runs so much cooler?

Not to mention being able to tap into the engineers who know how to code really, really well. That would a winning scenario IMO.

9 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Chris and Jordan were surprisingly the only people mentioning the audio hiss on any of the YouTube reviews that I watched the other day.  Judging by forum posts where people asked/complained about it, I didn't see any indication that they ever fixed it.  I think the IBIS is also electronic-only which might not be ideal.  Looks like a "don't buy" for now, but if the X-M5 comes out as rumored, maybe it'll be something to look at buying a year or two after (assuming it keeps the same dimensions).  😅

After you mentioned this camera the other day, I also watched a few reviews; indeed, the hiss is real. Also, the EIS is of the older variety and basically doing it in post will blow it away in 2024. In the same budget if you're in Europe, I think the Olympus E-P7 is better and about the same price new (with the kit pancake lens). I had that camera a couple of years ago and it was great except for the faulty IBIS unit- they ended up replacing it with the E-M5 iii due to inventory concerns. There are 2 gotchas with the E-P7: 1) it feels flimsy; 2) no EVF. Neither of those are a big deal for me.

On 9/5/2024 at 9:06 PM, eatstoomuchjam said:

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but some of the smoke signals from the Dolomites have been talking about the possibility of an upcoming Fuji X-M5. 

That put me in a rabbithole of "What other X-M" bodies were there?  Seems to just be X-M1 previously, but then somebody mentioned that X-M series are X-Trans processor unlike the X-A series which have basically the same body, but Bayer sensor.  That led me to learning about the X-A7 which looks really pretty tiny.  According to the pictures on cameradecision, it's even smaller than the GX85 (barely - 3mm in each dimension, but surprisingly about 25% lighter).  They're also not horribly expensive at about $600 used.

Has anybody here used one / have feedback on it?  I'm guessing not since I couldn't find any reference to it when re-skimming this thread (and putting x-a7 in the search box got no results).  I'm just about to start poking around in YouTube to see if it's worth keeping an eye out for a good deal on a used one.  I keep thinking about getting a little Fuji X camera as a daily carry sort of thing - maybe a really little one could be an option.

Back when I saw this release, it looked compelling. Then, I heard the audio hiss. On, paper this camera seems great with its big 3.5" screen (nearly viewable in sunlight), mic jack (albeit 2.5mm), PDAF, S35 sensor, some sort of IBIS, and decent codecs. I'm not certain if they fixed the audio problems or it was a faulty unit. Here's the review:

Listening to the story and watching the video on a 4.5k screen, I found I was taken out of the story at 288x144 pixels. Any less, I thinking something is wrong with my monitor, my connection, or compression. Interesting.

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

Best image of the lot, Lumix 6k 25p, especially in open gate.

Does the 6k mode reduce IBIS ability slightly? Maybe but as Lumix already has arguably the best IBIS as a starting point, it's probably comparable at least with Canon and better than the Sony which most reckon is still a bit behind.

Lumix 6k 25p open gate for the win then. I prefer 30p for various reasons.

The point of IBIS cannot be understated. How many people are there who practically never use a tripod? I bet the answer would be very high. Also, what surprised me the most was the 1080p, which is what I really care about. I think the S5ii bettered the others at 25fps in FF. I'm fairly certain it's a 6k-ish downsampled image, making it the best of the bunch, but they're all fairly good at 200%.

I thought I might share this. It would be interesting to hear some thoughts on resolution, moiré, aliasing, etc.

Markuspix just compared some video cameras:

44 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

But when the D750 itself is only a hundred (maybe two hundred) bucks more, I'm not sure it's worth saving the pennies over. 

Yeah, you're probably right.

6 hours ago, Dan Wake said:

After many years of using my Canon 7D, I’m considering upgrading to a new camera body. I’m looking for at least an APS-C sensor, but I’m open to full-frame options as well. My budget is around €600, though I can stretch it a bit if necessary. The most important feature for me is clean ISO performance for night photography. If I can’t find a camera that meets this requirement, I might as well stick with my Canon 7D.

My lens collection is quite small, so I’m open to building a new set of lenses if needed. If you think my budget is too low, please let me know, and I can consider increasing it. Any suggestions for a good used camera that fits these criteria? Thanks in advance!

 

I also think it would be hard to beat the D750 for anything photography at $600 budget. The used market is absolutely flooded with that body with all the wedding/wannabe wedding photographers moving to mirrorless. Granted, I'm not 100% sure you'll be able to sell it; so, the "cost" comes with a heavy caveat.

6 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

But looking at the way the used prices for GX85/GX9/E-M5 iii and OM-5 are holding up, at present there's obviously demand for that size/weight of M43 camera.

Panasonic aren't really playing to their strengths in some ways. To think they were the creators of the GM1 over 10 years ago; now, they can't seem to make it work. It baffles me that they would agree to lose so much money to Fuji and Sony. Meanwhile, OM System keeps selling out of the E-P7 and the OM-5 (a much more capable photo camera than the S9) is going for over 1149 euros. Did Panasonic also shut down the group of engineers who know how to design something small? I swear the S9 was designed by someone in the fashion industry because all the camera engineers were busy. It's as if their prototypes were given to the YouTubers and no engineer (who shoots photos) ever tried.

15 hours ago, Ninpo33 said:

If you want to talk about trust fund cameras I think you are really talking about flagships and Leica's. For someone that has a Rolex or better watch, a little $1,500 Lumix is probably a joke. Yet none of these except the GFX shoot Anamorphic or have the built in LUT's or IBIS the S9 has.

Fuji GFX100ii - $6,700

Fuji 100V - $2,700

Leica Q3 - $6,300

Sony A 1- $6,500 

Hasselblad X-Pan - $5,000 used

There are certainly more expensive cameras, I just can't think of any at that price with so many glaring omissions for photography. $1500 was a significant stretch IMO.

2 hours ago, MrSMW said:

I want the green one and I wants it now!

But reality... I sent mine back for a full refund and then bought a used S5ii which also put €200 back into my pocket and aesthetics aside, it's a better camera.

I wish they had launched the S9 at €999 and then I could have swung one as an 'additional camera' and maybe one day I will (I have an unopened box Smallrig cage for one thing) but that simple reality is, as my primary video unit, it's too high risk.

But autofocusing M Mount lenses! 

 

It's really a shame that the pricing is wrong for enthusiasts. It's even worse that Panasonic doesn't really offer any real lenses either. Still, they're selling a bunch; so, someone must be buying them. My guess- people look at it and buy it, never mind the lack of some major photography features. It just looks cool. I'm sure there are lots of trust fund babies who have this camera because they can.

4 minutes ago, ac6000cw said:

I also had a quick play with an S9 - ergonomically I'm not impressed, it really needs a grip of some sort and the SmallRig baseplate+grip that was attached to it adds weight and height so you loose part of the point of the smaller body. I think it's a bit too much 'style over usability' for me to be interested in it anymore.)

The S9 seems like a winner... EXCEPT (this list is long). We all wish it were just slightly better in some way, but it's not. Still, Panasonic is selling tons of them I believe. Sadly, it's at the detriment of the MFT line IMO. As you said, the EM-5/GX85 lines just need some small updates. I think the sensor and battery are the major hiccups to get that 25MP sensor in a small body. I'm sure they've been trying, but they haven't had success on getting something "releasable".