Ty Harper

2 hours ago, Clark Nikolai said:

I dunno. I think people have a good sense of when some art just doesn't have any soul. Many won't care but a lot will, enough to cause a reaction and a different direction. Look at other art movements in history, most of them were a reaction to a status quo establishment that was no longer interesting.

But, imo, you/me/we are only capable of looking at this from our particular idea of art and what it means for art to have a soul. The next couple generations of kids will have different reference points for that same idea/measurement.

This is why the big corps pushing AI don't care how we feel about it - bcuz they're looking at the long game. So they understand that we are not their target audience (bcuz we'll be dead, lol). Their target audiences are the generations coming up who will be born into a world where AI, etc is just the norm.

So you're absolutely right that there will still be people who value art that has a soul - but again, what will prob be different is the criteria they use to decide what art with a soul looks/feels like. It will be different - but just as essential to their existence as it has always been throughout human history. 

There is no technological advancement that will ever result in humans losing their desire to make/consume art with soul. What can and is happening is that we are losing our ability to monetize/exploit/make a living off art with soul on a large commercial scale. But that really only matters bcuz we currently live/work/exist within a capitalist system that is exploitative by design. 

3 hours ago, EduPortas said:

As of this moment there is a stark difference between going out into the world and shooting with your own hands and eyes and soul vs. prompting lines into a machine

You're absolutely right, but the creator of the future will likely be wired differently than us. Specifically when it comes to how we perceive/capture/synthesize/translate the real world into different visual/audio mediums for the purpose of telling/expressing a story/POV. So it is understandably hard for us to fathom how AI will change things. 

But that could be the "difference" you're sensing. But that doesn't mean the core thing(s) that drive humans to create will change. But I could also be completely wrong too, so there's that, lol.

23 hours ago, zlfan said:

i doubt r50 has better video quality than 5d3 ml raw. 

I could be wrong that I feel like we've arrived at a place where video quality is technically pretty solid across the board in new gen mirrorless cams. But if we're talking about R50V vs 5D MKIII ML RAW, it's less about better and more about 'different'. The 5D MKIII ML RAW definitely offers something aesthetically different than the R50V, but all things considered, I don't know that it offers better video quality, overall. 

On 6/26/2025 at 8:06 PM, EduPortas said:

Different technologies.

Just wait a few years for Gen Alpha to discover old used DSLRs are almost indestructible and take even better pictures than newer more expensive MILCs and phones that break more frequently.

The R50 in its different itinrations is cute, but it will never outlast a 5D. 

Does if offer better video quality? Yes, but only if you know what you're doing from the get go and that knowledge is becoming scarcer every day.

Yes, there has always been those who gravitate to a piece of kit for other reasons than the prudent ones that revolve around basic specs and price point - but if you're a beginner looking for an affordable/pocketable cam that will let you tell stories by capturing photos/videos with reasonably solid IQ and the standard bells/whistled (like DPAF, Digital IS, exposure tools and a camera mount for vertical-friendly shooting), there is no reason to go beyond a used R50V at the moment. Especially bcuz it is being marketed to that younger YouTube generation - and there are a number of comprehensive videos on setup/settings etc by guys like Josh Sattin. Again, this is coming from someone whose career was launched thanks in no small part to ML, and will not sell my 5D MKIIIs, still has an OG 7D that my little cousin tinkers with, has two R5Cs that are my future proof workhorses - but that is still seriously eyeing the R50V+RF 16mm combo as a fantastic pocketable travel/walk around option. In fact the only thing stopping my from picking one up now is the fact that I don't actually need one, but that I'm also waiting to see if Canon will be releasing a higher end version later this year. 

But also, we're forgetting the elephant in the room - which is AI and the way it might change what it means for younger generations to capture/tell visual stories.

Always great to hear the ML community is still pushing along. I cut my teeth on the 5D MKII ML and still have two 5D MKIIIs with ML that I refuse to sell! All that said, the R50V is $650 brand new and once those hit the used market they'll be $500 and under vs the 5D MKIII which is still going for roughly the same price. So nostalgia aside, the R50V's price, specs - not to mention form factor and access to RF and EF lenses - really makes it hard to argue that anything ML related is the prudent way to go in 2025, imo.

1 hour ago, EduPortas said:

Now it's by far the most complicated Canon camera I have ever used. For me, the menus were too much. You really need to know what you're doing or you'll get lost with all the menu/button combinatios.

Totally agree! Bcuz one of the R5Cs main strengths is how feature/option-rich it is. But that also means you constantly need to be making sure you have the right featues turned on/off, etc. For example, I use the S35 crop mode and/or the digital teleconverter for added reach - but if you don't manually set the cam back to full frame or take it out of TC mode, the cam won't go back to the default mode when you turn it off 🤷🏾‍♂️

2 hours ago, QuickHitRecord said:

Thanks for the heads up. Maybe the new LP-E6P batteries are the way to go. How many do you typically find that you'll use up in a day? Is the LCD bright enough to use outdoors in the sun? I've had no problem using my C70's LCD on all but the very brightest days.

I've got three LP-E6Ps at the moment and a mix of LP-E6NH and older LP-E6N ones. If I recall correctly, a battery strategy that allowed you to run off batteries for a 24 hour day would maybe revolve around: 

(i) minimum 5-7 LP-E6P batts

(ii) 2 dual portable USB-C powered LP-E6P chargers (I was gna go with the simulataneous dual chargers but if I remember correctly, the ones on the market at the time I checked still took longer to charge two batts simultaneously than if I just had two reg dual chargers going at the same time). I think I have this one: https://ca.neewer.com/products/neewer-2-pack-2400mah-lp-e6p-lp-e6nh-replacement-batteries-usb-dual-charger-66606258

(iiii) 1-2 V-mount batts 

Let's say it takes like 2-3 hours to charge one battery in a dual charger  - then the rough math is you'd need at least 5-7 batteries to comfortably keep the use/swap/charge cycle going.

Definitely more expensive on the front end. Especially if you're adding a battery grip BUT I'd rather invest $1K on this power management strategy than ever have to pay $1K or more to repair a USB-C port that could break again, and again. 

Hope this helps tho!

43 minutes ago, QuickHitRecord said:

I think I might re-buy the SmallRig v-mount plate so that I can power it off of my Intellytech mini v-mounts, and then just uncouple it from that setup and run it off of the regular battery for stills (I really like an EVF for stills).

As an R5C user for a minute now, who has dabbled with pretty much every external powering option, I will say this:

(i) The R5C's USB and micro-HDMI ports are a known weakness in this camera (like many cams).

(ii) There have been R5C users who reported their USB-C ports going even though they have been using port protectors. Not a lot but enough for it to be a concern if you are a shooter who doesn't have CPS or insurance, etc.

(iii) The cost for Canon to replace the USB-C port is at least $1K

So the prudent math would be to minimize use of those ports. Bcuz you are paying $1KUS to 'repair' something that will likely go again, and end up costing you more than the cam itself. Especially now that the LP-E6P batteries can get you 1.5 hours on a charge. So I no longer use my V-mounts or even the Dummy batt/D-Tap option. I use LP-E6Ps and for anything that requires more than 1.5 hours, I use the OEM battery grip for 3 hours of record time.

@QuickHitRecordI seen the R7 mentioned in this thread. And while it may not overheat, the reports of failure rate of its mechanical shutter that I was seeing on one of the bigger R7 FB groups in a 2-4 month span (I was researching it as a potential C cam to my two R5Cs) was enough for me to say, no. This coming from a cam that still isn't even three years old (released June 23rd 2022). All that to say, if you do decide to go with an R7 then do not buy it used - definitely buy brand new with an extended warranty. 

As far as price goes the new R50V ($650US) seems like it could be a valid option for your needs. 

Josh Sattin has done his review/tests of the R50V. The biggest revelation for me was that the cam did indeed overheat when used in the sun (reportedly around 85 degrees) and lasted 48 mins before shutting down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx_q36Cyqgg

This is the most comprehensive review/test of the R50V I've seen so far. Key takeaways (i) 75 mins runtime on a battery (ii) apparently no overheating issues over that runtime (iii) rolling shutter is not good (iv) I like that it has a second tripod mount for vertical shooting. Overall seems like a good option for certain use cases, particularly travel/walk around. That said, I might wait to see if Canon releases a more pro version before squeezing the trigger but for $700 seems like a good option.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCEN1qW0f3s&pp=ygUPY2Fub24gcjUwdiB0ZXN0

On 5/1/2025 at 7:03 AM, ntblowz said:

Just got the LP-E6P battery and it make R5C much less stressful lol, extra 30min of recording is quite nice so don't have constantly worry about the battery life.

 

Absolute game changer for me personally. I haven't had to use my V-mounts in a minute since buying the LP-E6Ps and I got the grip when I went to go longer.

Already seeing used cameras going up in prices in my neck of the woods. Specifically the R6 MKII, which has been going for around $2K CAD used for a while, is now going for $2700-$3K CAD. 

Nice!

First tests of the R50 V coming from reputable reviewer Christopher Frost: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEPizEvWhV4

I go to him mostly for photo lens tests but he also does a bit of video. Some things that stood out for me personally:
(i) video IQ seems only good up to ISO 800
(ii) menu system is overly complicated with some unnecessary new layout features
(iii) lots of AF detection options
(iv) XF-AVC S
(iv) Digital IS only usable at standard level for stationary shots (as expected)

Overall still seems to be an interesting option - particularly once it hits the used market - but it does make me want to wait and see if Canon will release a higher end FF version at an equally compelling price point.

Hopefully we get some more in-depth testing soon from Josh Sattin (who did confirm he will be doing one in the future).

1 hour ago, Django said:

Pretty cool design actually. Finally something new from Canon. Takes cues from the FX3 for sure. Vertical thread mount makes sense. Hopefully a more "pro" level FF version is in the making with IBIS, Clog2 etc to truly compete with FX3/FX30. R5V?

Been a Canon shooter my entire career (7D/5D MKII/III/1DC/R5/R5C) and have always bought used but if this R50 V has no overheating issues I might make an exception - altho the dream is really the pro level FF version you're describing...  

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Apparently it has a fan.

It's a keen price... $695

I quite like it but never going to be groundbreaking coming from them

Pretty sure it's the Powershot V1 that has the fan not the R50 V - and that would track with traditional Canon cripple-hammer logic. This guy put thermal pads in his OG R50 and it seemed to work but I don't myself doing all that: 

If it overheats like the OG R50 that'll be a deal breaker for me.

This looks to be the B cam to my R5C I would've picked up for an upcoming trip but doesn't seem like it will be available to Canadian markets in time. Ah well, at least this looks to be the start of more pocket options from Canon so will be interesting to see what else is coming down the pipeline.

Canon R50 is a cheap option. No Clog but HDR PQ is usable and you get Zebras for exposure control.

I think it's got a 1 hour record limit and overheating is an issue - BUT if you've got some DIY spirit and are willing to add the thermal pads like this guy did you should be ok. 

I was actually gna pick one of these up for a trip but just figured I'd save some $$ and go with my stripped down R5C instead.

1 hour ago, Django said:

Is the TC basically cropping the sensor the same way you can select S35 (x1.5) and S16 (x3)?

Or can you use the Digital TC on top of those crop modes?

I saw a vid on YT showing how you can now assign the TC to a button for quick punch-in like you'd do on an iPhone with the x1 x2 buttons. Does this work while you are recording? 

I was set on an R5C but I'm now more interested in the R5 mk2 because of Clog2 + SRAW and IBIS. That said when shooting RAW on R5C I guess you gain access to Clog2 right? Still would rather have Clog2 in all shooting modes but its a workaround I guess.

 

Yes, you can use TC on top of those crops (s35 and s16) and assign the TC feature to a button on top of the camera for quick punch-ins. It is a f*ckin' game changer for me! And yes, Clog2 is 'available' in RAW mode. As far as R5 MKII vs R5C - have you seen Josh Sattin's comparison tests? Bcuz it really is a toss up between these two. I think the big pro with the R5 MKII for me is the full sized HDMI ports (I refuse to use the micro ones on the R5C bcuz I don't have $1K to replace them)  - while the R5C gives you all those Cinema features + longer battery life than the R5 MKII. Also, after using IBIS on an R5 for almost a year - I honestly do not see IBIS as that important compared to DIS. I ended up selling my R5 and buying a second R5C. Both featues are only really good for stationary tripod-like shots imo - and a gimbal is still the way to go for anything else. The used price for an R5C ($2500 USD) vs a used R5 MKII is something worth considering too. All that said I have been pondering for a year now on what my C-cam will be but I've decided to wait to see what Canon puts out this year first (there are rumors of some potentially big reveals in 2025).

Posting in this thread bcuz I doubt it's been mentioned before and I honestly misjudged the usefulness of this new feature. Canon added the teleconverter feature to the R5C last year and while initial reviews/tests concluded that the feature was really only good to 1.5x mag with anything past that (2x, 2.5x, 3x) being deemed not as good - it has been flagged by several R5C users that those conclusions were not accurate. In fact (and I can confirm with my own tests) that the R5C's TC feature produces very good results across the entire magnification range. What matters is that you are exposing properly but also maaybe giving it a bit more light than usual. 

So now my trusty Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 EF-S has new life with a focal range of 27mm - 264mm with the 3x footage being about as great as the widest end.

Anyways, just one more reason this cam continues to be a great hybrid option. 

For hybrid cams it's really worth looking into the R5C imo. Almost all of the early issues (including battery life) have been addressed. You can now do 8K RAW internal w/o the need for an external power source. And recently Canon added a teleconverter (with 1.5x, 2x, 2.5x and 3x magnification) feature that is another f*ckin' gamechanger. I can now walk with my trusty old Canon 17-55 f2.8 EF-S and have focal coverage that goes from 27mm to a whopping 264mm if necessary AND the IQ is so good (as long as you are gving it a lot of light). Or clap on my 40mm pancake knowing I got coverage - not just up to 3x mag - but I can also put it in S35 mode and add another 1.6x on top of that! I now have two of these cams with no regrets - so yeah, I'd highly recommend looking into a used R5C, which can be had for $2500 USD in my neck of the woods (Toronto). 

2 hours ago, Evgeniy85 said:

AI will improve forever. The economy will grow forever. Earth has infinite resources. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

Earth will definitely put us in our place in due time. That is inevitable and right fully overshadows everything we're talking about at the moment. 

19 minutes ago, KnightsFan said:

CGI is difficult to keep improving because it's largely a manual process. Some CG artists are very good, but many are not. It took decades for us to go from moving a cube across a screen to the very best CGI today, which takes enormous effort from large teams of extremely experienced and skilled people.

This has been the part I think most people continue to struggle with. We need to get used to the idea of AI achieving something, as an inevitability. Period.