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7 hours ago, Laurier said:

I found that video not very impressive to sell a 10k camera , it could have been shoot a A7iii, the colors and the DR look very similar from what I got from the A7iii I had.

Since I switched to a ursa G2 I realized that sony not only have issue with colors, but also with contrast, the skin color range have a lot more of contrast on sony camera, that create a harsh impression of sharpness and make the structures of the facial features more visible, that rarely faltering to anyone.

I get the trend/push for full frame, I like the look, but in restricted professional use it is more of an issue than a bonus, It s much harder to keep things in focus, you need to close more your aperture, so then you either need more light or push your iso....the autofocus will help in some case but still, when it jump focus your take is ruined, I found a subject going slightly in and out of focus less disturbing than a jumpy autofocus.

I find those mid-range full frame pro camera odd, for super high end production why not ( but then you go for a venice/C700/Alexa LF) but for a small crew I have more doubts.
 

Honestly, I think the Canon C500 Mk2 is a better choice.  Great AF, Anamorphic support, similar DR, better highlight roll off, smaller, larger LCD, touch screen, switchable lens mounts. Barring some crazy breakthrough... which I'm always good with,  one will find it's way into my waiting arms. 

2 hours ago, currensheldon said:

Looks Panasonic is going to beat Nikon to the punch. And at 6k raw too.

This is pretty incredible for a $4,000 FULL FRAME camera: https://www.atomos.com/press-releases/atomos-panasonic-lumixSH1-6K35mmFFR

Didn't Atomos also have a similar announcement on the Nikon Z cameras... "to be released later this year"? Yet the Nikon faithful remain forgotten.

PDAF vs focus marks and follow focus with dedicated focus puller.

IBIS vs Tripod or Dolly

I think most would rather the large budget and full crew... but few can actually afford or warrant the expense. Especially for a hobby.

4 hours ago, Snowfun said:

Are the MFT SLR anamorphic really that bad? I’m often tempted even tho’ the x2 looks slightly absurd on P4k but have never got round to it.

I don’t want the hassle of adapters etc etc so they have obvious attractions but if the image is as terrible as implied then maybe I should stay away. 

I wouldn't have them if they paid me. Useless with a matte box, focus gear moves as focus shifts, so no follow focus works. And last but not least horrendous image quality. 

4 minutes ago, Xavier Plágaro Mussard said:

It's a phone, not a camera ?

It's a calculator... It's a pager... it's a word processor... What really is a smartphone? It's a computer with a bunch of sensors and transceivers attached to it. They are whatever the software dictates they are. One day the major camera manufacturers are going to catch on to this fact, and then we can start to reap the benefits of computational photography on a real camera.

2 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Sometimes it feels like some people will never be happy. 

This is great news, whether you buy it or not. That affordable anamorphic lenses are hitting the market is a big deal and a sign of things to come. 

It's terrific news.  Frankly I can't understand why we don't have any AF anamorphic lenses,  especially as AI becomes more of a thing in cameras. 

5 hours ago, ntblowz said:

Btw there are FF ones out there, the cheapest is around $4000 though ?  

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1233202-REG/slr_magic_slr_ac70133pl_70mm_1_33x_anamorphot_cine_lens.html

 

 

Those are garbage.

Another option:

52 minutes ago, heart0less said:

Panasonic G85 + 12-60 or 25/1.7 + Pro Mist 1/4

http://reddit.com/r/cinematography/comments/d2hbmy/three_frames_from_a_project_shot_by_me_panasonic/
 

Imo posting frame grabs from a video is meaningless. Because it does not score motion. I could stills from a Leica M10 as proof... but that wouldn't make a case for it being a great video camera. 

€500 for a 50mm f1.8 anamorphic sounds incredible. I would say if the lens is half way decent this is game changing. 

To bad it's not full frame. 

Just got the Note 10 Plus 5G. Enjoying the cameras, but this multicam recording sounds interesting and my iPhone 10 is overdue for an upgrade ?

I would love to see some footage. Not footage of a projector screen showing footage from the phone.

I may pick one up. I'm waiting to see some footage. Since it uses the same sensor as the C700 FF, it begs the question, did Canon fix the color banding issue with this sensor? If not I will probably pass.

1 hour ago, sanveer said:

Can it record on all cameras at 4k, or 3-4 cameras at 1080p each? 

Iirc it's 4k.

On 9/9/2019 at 1:46 PM, docmoore said:

I think Matt Allard is one of the best reviewers out there ... and his impressions do not sound that great for the camera.

I may cancel my preorder ... the IQ out of my P6K is so good that I hate to accept a lesser file for all the convenience in

the S1H.

Did Blackmagic solve their red clipping issue? 

32 minutes ago, sanveer said:

Can it record on all cameras at 4k, or 3-4 cameras at 1080p each? 

Iirc it's 4I. Lots of horsepower from these tiny chips.

1 hour ago, Shell64 said:

It can apparently simultaneously record both cameras, meaning you could switch in post 

Nope, it can apparently record all three simultaneously.

1 hour ago, Cliff Totten said:

I'd almost bet my life that Sony will NOT try and challenge the S1H. It's simply WAY over spec'd for Sony to ever want in an Alpha camera. Instead, I think they will attack the S1 and "try" to match 10bit 4k and 60p and "maybe" unlimited record times in a smaller body with the new A7S-III. (I think XDCAM will give in and allow Alpha to match the S1) 

Sony will say; "We can match the S1 future for feature but we give you Sony phase detect AF for the same S1 price" 

Lumix S1H?  Yeah,....right...XDCAM will NEVER,.....EVER,....allow ANY Alpha model to be THAT extreme!!!  I suspect that Sony's XDCAM division has more to lose than Panasonic's Varircam division.

CT

They may have little choice, especially after hyping up how extreme the A7S3 will be. But meanwhile, in the real world... I also am skeptical.

I can't wait to see what the footage will look like from this puppy. It's by far the most interesting design I have seen to date. However, there remain questions about practicality issues, such as battery life, handling and potential overheating etc... But nonetheless, I am intrigued.

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22 minutes ago, Eugenia said:

My husband's GFX100 arrived yesterday for his studio. In a very short test I did, I found it to be sharper than my BMPCC 4k (its native Fuji lenses are very sharp, they resolve a lot of detail). I honestly don't think I need even sharper or whatever "better" Fuji thinks it can give us (better color/midtone detail sure, but even sharper details heck no). I had to soften the image in post by a lot to make it look anywhere near cinematic. There was a reason why Alexa was sitting at 2.8k resolution for the longest time before Netflix forced them to make a 4k camera. For true traditional cine stuff, 4k is enough. I personally have no plans on updating on 6k/8k any time soon, not even when 8k TVs might be commonplace. I end up softening my 4k clips in post by either Panasonic or BMD, but the GFX100 required a lot more (f-log). If you're after super crisp, commercial style look, that's your camera.

It's rolling shutter that kills the GFX100 for video. If the GFX-H100 has decent rolling shutter then it's the better option for video of the two. 

This is interesting, indeed. I'm starting to feel like it's time for a refresh and "Large Format" would definite be an interesting addition. I hope they go the Sigma route to allow for cooling, and ditch the SD cards for CFExpress. Give us a bigger monitor. Three inches simply doesn't cut it. How about 4" or 5"? Make it tilty flip like Panasonic's S1H. And give it 15 stops of usable DR. Lastly, enough with the dual ISO... can we include real HDR? where two exposures are captured at once. The way Sony originally designed the sensor to work?

48 minutes ago, Jimmy G said:

Well, XQD 2.0 has been kicking around since 2012, so it's not exactly new...and their price-per-GB is fairly comparable to V90 SDXC. Also, dual-card recording is accommodated between the SD and XQD cards on the S1 and S1R, what was interesting and odd to me was that Panasonic dropped the faster XQD on their video-DSLM flagship.

XQD/CFExpress cards are much more robust than SD cards. I've had many a SD card physically break. Granted, all the premium ones come with pretty great warranties. That said, I prefer the XDQ build quality to that of SD cards. I think it's better to have one XQD/CFExpress slot than two SD card slots, because I feel the former is probably at least twice as reliable.

Nikon had mentioned internal raw coming after adding CFExpress support, so this doesn't surprise me. I'll be curious to see what the footage looks like. Internal raw for a hybrid that is usable for daily use,  without the need for rigging would be a huge breakthrough. Should a Sony A7S3 eventually be released I seriously doubt it will have internal raw. Nikon might be stealing everyone's thunder. 

32 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

They will have to pay RED for patient so nope, unless Apple wins.

And yet Canon doesn't seen to "have to" pay Red nada.

It seems that Sandisk is showing off their new CFExpress memory cards with emphasis on raw video. In their prom they clearly show the back of a Nikon Z6 in which they insert their new CFExpress card. So for those that hate external raw capture, Nikon has you covered.

24 minutes ago, Mako Sports said:

Saving grace will be IBC 2019 in 2 weeks

Why do you think that? Current rumors point towards a new A9II being announced, not a A7S3. I'm with the OP, I think the A7S3 might be further down the road, if at all. Perhaps sales for the original cameras did not measure up? Or maybe Sony feels any improvement would somehow invalidate more expensive pro options for many would be users? I think it was an ominous foreshadowing when Sony skipped the A7S2 update and release a A7R4... and I don't think it was anything less than calculated.

4 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Honestly this is great news too. Venice color, E-ND's, 10 bit internal and Sony's amazing auto focus, 6k sensor. What more can you ask?

A hybrid... or how about internal raw? Oh, thanks Red, no one else can offer that option. Yet somehow Canon does? Clearly Canon does not fear Red.