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5 hours ago, nathlas said:

I can think only one.

 

 Battle against upcoming Canon R Pro (high mp model)that  is rumored to have more than 60mp

Well if Canon adds decent dr, quad pixel AF and full frame 4K it will be a really short “battle”.

Rumor has it a new 102 MP X-Trans sensor is coming. But when? I do like the medium format look. 

I owned the A7r and A7r2... I don't miss either one. Wouldn't trade any of my Canons for the A7R4. I honestly am not tempted by it in the least. 

However, it's a given that I'll be preordering the 1DX Mk3 and the RF Pro body. I know right off that bat they'll leave something out.... they always do. But there will be enough to make it a no brainer.?

For me the big question is will the Sigma have a place in my collection, or for that matter the Panasonic S1H? Both of those cameras are interesting to me. Perhaps the Sigma by a small margin?

They'll release it with the organic sensor ?

3 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

You're entitled to have an opinion on Philip Bloom's many hours of custom grading and his LUT collection.

But it's an opinion on that, not the Sony colour science or defaults, you do realise what you are seeing is not straight from the camera don't you??

i know it's not straight from the camera. IMO his grades are just a bit long in the tooth for my taste. Granted, horses for courses. I know many love his grades. 

1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:

Please show us your Arri Alexa footage.

Take your pick buddy. FYI: I do this for fun. But that said, I don't need to be a race-car driver to know who won the race. Buying a camera is a personal choice for me. After looking at @Andrew Reid example images, I can clearly see that he had an easier time getting great shots with the Canon. Like I said, some cameras make it easy to get great shots... other, not so much. Given I have little skill I need all the help I can get.

3 minutes ago, Palpet said:

Strange. Philip Bloom shoots almost exclusively on Sony cameras and I never once thought the colours in his videos was horrible.

I like PB, but I HATE his color grades.

6 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

That has little to do with the camera. That is called SKILL what you are talking about. And all of it is subjective.

Skill is part of it no doubt, but everything else being equal, some cameras definitely have "mojo". Case in point Arri Alexa. These a reason most of the Academy award winners are shot on them. The data is irrefutable. Mojo is real. Perhaps you are amongst the afflicted that cannot recognize it?

1 hour ago, Mako Sports said:

I'm not even sure what this whole "mojo" thing means as I only ever hear Canon folks say it, guess its slang for the "image speaks to me"

Which in that case I actually understand.

If not it must be some old head/old person terminology  ?

 

The definition of "mojo" is magic. Certainly the term "Hollywood magic" must ring a bell?

Mojo is hard to nail down, but impossible to miss.  It's that which separates a common snapshot from a work of art. I absolutely want it in everything I own. To argue otherwise seems illogical.

If you cannot spot works with "mojo" you may lack the ability to discern the difference.

13 minutes ago, Mako Sports said:

"Best all around" I should say. None of those cameras listed have nearly as good autofocus and the ergos/build quality seem to be upgraded from the r3

The AF on the EOS R is excellent. And in video there is none of  micro-hunting nonsense that the Sonys exhibit. As for ergos, menus overall usability most anything trumps Sony. 

Sony might make the sensors that  lot of manufacturers use. But in almost all cases, the outside manufacturers do a better job of implementing those sensors than does Sony.

1 hour ago, Mako Sports said:

Yes this is a photo camera and not a video oriented camera clearly. 

With 60mp + A9 ai enhanced auto focus, nearly 6K evf resolution, 10 fps, and 15 stops of dynamic range. 

Without a doubt this is the best camera on the market for stills photography all around. I don't think the Nikon Z9 will have nearly as good autofocus, and even if canon were to pull something off with specs like this it would be over $10,000 cause "Canon Tax". 

No doubt the next Canon flagship will come with a hefty price tag. But those canon flagships are built like tanks and are super easy to shoot with. They make getting great shots so easy it's almost like cheating. I'm not saying you can't get great shots with a Sony, but the Canons definitely have some mojo.

9 minutes ago, ajay said:

I think today's announcement did hint at something. Sony's new microphone mount. I'm sure they didn't come out with these new products just for the A7RIV. There's got to be a more video-centric camera in the making.

I wouldn't hold my breath for one. But on the plus side with all the new cameras coming out in the near term, I might say perhaps we don't need a new Sony video focused camera.

@Andrew Reid this thread's title is clearly wrong. Obviously there will be no A7S3. Sony apparently dumped it as any meaningful upgrades would have threatened their cinema line.

Great it's here... the camera no one asked for and no one actually needed, so not a fuk was given.

Just now, Django said:

official announcement in under an hour..

https://alphauniverse.com/live/

So now is the time to place your bets. If it is an A7R4, then probably no forthcoming A7S3.

1 minute ago, Andrew Reid said:

Is it fake? SR5 according to the rumours bible.

And where the effing hell is the A7S III?

Maybe killed off?

6 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

We already know

https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/28270-sony-a7r-iv-a7s-iii-a9-ii-to-feature-8k-video-as-new-60mp-and-36mp-full-frame-sensor-specs-leak/#comments

Yeah, but that topic is about the sensor. This is specifically about the camera being announced today. I think the A7R4 deserves its own thread.

Rats... the slide is fake.

So here is are the first leaked images of Sony’s new 8k A7R4:

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

It's just a stupid comparison full stop. Criticising one of the best medium format cameras in the world because you can't swing it around on a stick and put it in your pocket.

Remind me to tell Fuji's engineers they have really fucked up here.

Sure you can gain the versatility for certain tracking shots in more convenient ways... Big whoop.

Osmo is still a smartphone camera on a stick.

Go and open an Osmo Pocket thread instead rather than dragging a completely unrelated camera topic off into Lala land.

Indeed, it's Apple's to Watermelons sort of comparo, but no worse than GH5 vs Arri Alexa Mini. 

The Fuji is an epic achievement. But strangely enough we are apparently living in the time of epic achievements. Can't wait to see what Sony annonces tomorrow ??

@webrunner5 the Osmo Pocket is great for what it is, but when viewed on a large screen with HDR the footage will definitely fall short of the GFX-100. 

I have the Pocket and the Action. I think the Action is even better than the Pocket as it has a HDR mode. But neither shoots as clean as any of my hybrids or dedicated cinema cameras. 

Where the Pocket and Action shine is in convenience. These days I almost always have one or the other on me.

Also, real HDR is game changing and the Action has this. I am constantly annoyed that the Action can capture shadow detail while retaining bright highlights, while my larger cameras struggle, and usually warrant a compromise in post.

The Sigma fp is the first hybrid that I’m aware of that sports this feature.

6 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

It's just a fact that the Fuji can do a lot more. Not really controversial although facts in 2019 do seem to be. People rejecting them left right and centre.

I’m going to disagree. While the Fuji is more capable in many ways the Osmo is easily more versatile.

3 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

The game is rapidly changing. I am kind of hesitant to buy anything right now.

 

I have to agree, the only thing missing is global shutter and internal ND. I enjoy playing with new gear, but I may have to wait until the dust settles before committing to a new system.

Unless Canon blows it, their new pro body will likely be on my radar. How will Sony answer these new entries? Panasonic’s S1H is also worthwhile of consideration.

Will this new Sigma attract customers away from Panasonic? Perhaps? And now with HDR finally coming to hybrids... things are really heating up. The L mount alliance is starting to feel like a more comfortable investment. But one thing remains absent from everything within this union to date... AF that is up to Canon, Sony and Fuji levels of performance. I’m not sure that this new Sigma rises to the challenge?

1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said:

A FF Foveon is confirmed for 2020.

Yes, but will it be as capable a video camera as the fp is apparently projected to be. 

I wonder also about the quoted dr; At 12.5 stops in 2019... which is now a 14 plus stop world, is there room to improve this, or is it a limitation of the hardware?

If I was still shooting with the NX1 I feel the Nikon Z6 would be an interesting option. For some reason the Nikon sort of reminds me of the NX1 imagery.

I hope a Foveon version is in the works... with larger battery. I love the imagery.

Speaking of the announcement, it seems Sigma have added a lot of AI to the new camera, comparable to the tech we are seeing in modern smartphones.

The HDR shooting mode seems interesting as it is enabled for video and stills. Something that imo is long overdue for hybrid cameras. 

I was hoping for a Foveon sensor based camera announcement, but I suppose that will come later. Strangely enough, with it’s diminutive dimensions, this camera appears to be the spiritual successor to the original BlackMagic pocket. 

Foveon version please Sigma! I want a sensor with a bit of magic source. Give me a usable 3200 iso ... even 1600 iso and I’ll figure out the rest.

Also @Andrew Reid what does “Cinemagraph” mean in the second slide? I’d like to see a demonstration of that.

Since in real life things move I’ll take the Fuji for high resolution capture.

Yeah the Osmo Pocket is a great little camera. DJI make a Pro version with a S35 sensor, HDR mode and good codec and I will preorder immediately. 

The Osmo Action has an edge in convenience, as it’s rugged design means it can be carried without too much special accommodations. Also HDR mode is awesome. The Pocket, once fitted with the thumb controller and WiFi module no longer fits in the supplied case. Both of these must have accessories should have been built in to the Pocket.

I also got sent some wireless ear buds. I’m certain that JVC is determined to build a camera that we actually will buy. 

Personally I would love a dedicated camcorder with a built in zoom anamorphic lens. Slap a good sensor in there and usable AF with a great codec and call it a day.

There is nothing out there like this.