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I called BH Photo again and the customer service person said there was some type of delay and they are now anticipating receiving their shipment on the 10th to ship out by 12th...

I spoke with a customer service person from BH Photo and she said that they expect to ship out some of the Pocket 4k orders tomorrow.

@Novim - thanks for sharing the article, it was a good read!

@AaronChicago Great to know! I never thought of using and IR to fixed the look of the BMCC with tungsten - I will have to try that - thanks!

From my experience with the Blackmagic Cinema Camera and color temperature, I found the BMCC looks better in daylight 5600k lighting rather than 3200k tungsten. I have read that this is the case with most modern sensors - they are optimized light sources closer to Daylight than tungsten. I am thankfully for the test being done, but shooting in daylight may have been a better light source for real world comparison sake. It would be nice to have seen the GH5 with GHAlex LUT. I saw the comment about using the version 4 color science with the Pocket the would be welcome as well. Adding these refinements and BRAW sensor output tuning (when available) and we may see that the Pocket 4k will be more competitive in the skin tone category against the Alexa. This test shows the potential but not the final image that can be had from the Pocket 4k pending BRAW and version 4 colors science is applied under Daylight conditions.

I thought it looked great! It looked like Sony colors to me so A7S? As far the lighting, maybe some type of home improvement halogen flood light. The camera angles, movement and edit worked for the song. It would have been nice to have some type of story to cut to that related to the song, but If I understood the lyrics it might not have something that I would have focused on as much..

Even the GH1 can look cinematic with (lomo) anamorphic lenses. Be sure to switch the resolution to HD in the Youtube settings before playing. The guy who shot this (Ryan Glover) has other anamorphic tests with various camera's as well: BMCC, GH4 etc. on his youtube channel. I think that after the Pocket 4K gets the BRAW update and sensor output is "processed" like the BRAW updated does for the USRA Mini Pro the choice will be clearer. Though for hand held shooting having the sensor image stabilization is of course unmatched by the Pocket 4k. I'm pretty sure the Pocket 4k is better in low light than the GH5, but for normal lighting conditions, is the Pocket 4k a necessity of over the GH5? I would say not at this point (pre-BRAW) unless shooting in low light is your thing.

Seems to me that what people talk about as Canon like colors is actual not only Canon color science, but also the Canon sensor science that yields the Canon look, along with the storage codec which also effects the motion rendering characteristics. Now that we see what BRAW can do to the sensor output, it seems to me the Canon look has some stiff competition with the BRAW look with the USRA Mini Pro. Great job Blackmagic on figuring out how to get the most out of your sensor data. May the best sensor and sensor/color science win!

That's what I am hoping as well, that the sensor specific partial de-mosaic filtering tuning will make the Pocket 4k more like the USRA Minii Pro after it got the BRAW update. With Pocket 4k it would be nice if they would do 2 tunings, one for each native ISO. I am already really liking the look of the Pocket 4k at high ISOs in low light, but at lower ISOs with lighting or daylight, I am hoping it can be further refined, like the USRA Mini Pro was after the BRAW update.

My sentiments exactly. It seems to me that this camera is going to just get out of the way of the creative process from shooting (good monitor, hopefully good audio, great low light), to editing (low bit rate for ease of playback of multiple video streams), to grading (RAW and recall of the camera shooting settings, and good color science). Blackmagic has removed the issues that get in the way of me just getting out and shooting and editing. Dynamic range is a question I would like to answered as well...

Maybe they were just being artistic, but having multiple dead people in product video is bit of a first to my recollection. That said the skin tones of the living were too muted for my tastes regardless of the artistic intent. In the comments the author said that it was not the final color grade and may not even the final edit once Fuji gets a look at the content.

It would be wierd if Blackmagic can't implement BRAW on the Pocket 4K. They have been developing BRAW for the past 2.5 years so maybe longer than the Pocket 4K has been in development (or maybe not) but for sure there was a significant amount of time when they were both being developed in parallel. How could they designs a camera and not plan and test the components for compatibility before for finalizing the design? This is such a key feature that will increase the volume of sales to make of the lack of margin due to the low price of the Pocket 4k that it would a serious engineering error if BRAW does not make it on to the Pocket 4k.

Well done Blackmagic! Is it possible to transcode my current non-BRAW video files to BRAW in Resolve 15.1 before I edit? And can I master to BRAW as a delivery format? Seems like the path to recording 8k video is set before us and 4k now seems like a reasonable workflow choice especially if 12:1 is a good as it is said to be. I would like to see a link between external follow focuses like the Nucleus M and and BRAW so the metadata I capture has the focus distance for post relate processing. I wonder if the audio for BRAW gives the option to record PCM and hopefully up to 24bit / 96k?

They say: Never meet your heroes, because they're sure to disappoint you.... I think it's more like: Never meet your heroes, because they're really human just like you and everyone else on the forum. I hope this forum is big enough for both Andrew and John or John and Andrew, whichever, because I will miss hearing from both of them on a regular basis. Maybe a vitural hand share over PM could happen and we could get back to obsessing over a camera that most of us have yet to hold in our hands.

@Andrew Reid I visit 3 sites at least once a day. EOSHD, Personal-view and Gearsultz. EOSHD is unique in that it is not only a forum, but a blog foremost that gives ideas and insights that are not being put together in the same way by anybody else. Your perspective gives me confidents about my buying decisions. I bought the NX1 and the a6300 because of you and this site. The way you see things and write about them is a valuable contribution to the community. Keep doing what you love despite what you view as a slight against you, in the end you are defined by your writing not what is written about you. I look forward to you doing more of your excellent blogging in the future.

8k would be nice on a 100" screen if you are 8 ft away in your living room. If you are 16ft away a 4k 100" screen will do just as well as an 8k screen. Seems to me resolution is not what makes a great image alone, but all other things being equal shooting at 4k vs HD is beneficial. Now, the way I edit, I pan and zoom to reframe in post so I can't really deliver HD if I shoot in HD, I have to shoot higher than HD to deliver HD. Given the choice I will shoot 4k.

It's been said before, but I like to say a huge thank you @John Brawley who chose to spend time here on the forum and give your invaluable information and time. Your presence here is greatly appreciated and hope you continue to feel welcome here!

@Andrew Reid I really hope you keep the site going. It bummed me out when previously took a hiatus. I know it's selfish of me to ask for something without paying for it, though I believe I purchased one of your guides at one time. Anyways, it would be hard to believe Blackmagic does not have eye balls on this tread and I hope they will reach out to you with a review unit ASAP. I always look forward to your insights and perspective and hope I have the opportunity to read about your hands on experience with and options about the Pocket 4k.

@John Brawley - Really interesting discussion! If you use a faster lens wide open without a speed booster will the performance change based on sensor stack thickness? Does a manufacturer like Sony stay will the same sensor stack thinness year over year? or if Sony makes it thinner generation to generation, does performance increases generation to generation with the same native lenses? Thanks!

@seanzzxx great explanation - that makes sense. Thanks!

The assumption I was questioning is if there is a equal relationship between shooting two stops lower and actaually loosing the same number of stops of dynamic range. The post stated that shooting at ISO 100 and you will loose 2 stops of DR. Tests will show if this is actually the case... also because of the lower noise floor st lower ISOs you could underexpose a bit and bring it back in post, which would compensate for loosing some dr/headroom in the highlights.

With daul native ISO's it should have the most dynamic range at ISO 400 and ISO 3200 - correct? So the assumption is shooting at ISO 100 would reduce the dynamic range and the noise by the same amount - 2 stops? Hmmm... I would like to see some tests that illustrate the reality of this assumption or disprove this assumption relationship between ISO and dynamic range.

Wow - from where I am viewing, I liked the look of Pocket 4K better than the C200 mountion bike video. Might have been the grade or the time of day when it was shot, but the Pocket 4k footage was more natural looking to my eyes.

The Sony UHC-8300 is a 8K camera system, which includes 3 x 1.25-inch 8K sensors - it's a broadcast B4 style camera with 5/4 size sensors (smaller sensor than 4/3). Certainly a professional m4/3 8k sensor be made. A16k FF Sensor could be extrapolated based on 2x 4/3. Though I would prefer and 8k FF if the RS is less, and the DR and High ISO's are better.

@Wild Ranger what is the transition effect used between 2:30-2:48? Thanks! Mark