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    Ed_David got a reaction from IronFilm in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    ....
    This is now my last post on eoshd.  I seem to not be able to handle social media.  I really gave it a good try.  But I can't.  Just not a good way to talk to someone.  Everything is heightened.  Apology to you Emanuel!
    Bye all.
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    Ed_David got a reaction from IronFilm in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    If I spent $1300 on a phone that was promised as a revolutionary way to control the red, and then it didn't.
    Then promised I would get a deal in return for the hydrogen 2.  Then told that the hydrogen 2 is over and that the president and backer of the hydrogen 2 is retiring, I would be very, very, very upset.
    You maybe extraordinary in how you treat red.  You may also be confusing the company with a form of friendship and community that overrides any anger and loss if you lose thousands of dollars.
    Personally, I think, and would argue most people would think - that cameras should just be products, not groups of friendship . That way they cannot do these type of business practices and get away with it.
    Imagine people forming a community around a brand of a hammer.
    But of course, I get it.
    We are all very tribal.  You are personally (online) friends with the president of the company.  I would be defensive as well if I think that the company's president is my friend.
    That is all okay.  I completely understand.  
    I never got to that point with Sony or Canon or Convergent Design, even though I got to know a few key employees.  But I didn't talk up when they did some things I wasn't the biggest fan of either.  Like when I bought $6000 worth of slog licensing for my sony f3, then they made it free without giving a partial rebate at least.
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    Ed_David got a reaction from Yannick Willox in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    You seem like a very nice, innocent person, Emanuel! I mean that as a compliment.  
    Here in America, things are very nasty.  People are nasty.  Brutish.
    We are having a major class war.
     Many of us have a different view on billionares and job innovators. We distrust silicon valley.  We distrust pharmacuticals.  We distrust heads of energy companies and goverment leaders. We distrust the mainstream media.  We distrust until we are proven right.  
     
    We trust whistleblowers.  We trust contrarians and outcasts and outsiders and artists and musicians and intellectuals and writers.  We distrust the "great" figures of our past history.
    It's a crazy time to be alive.  That the majority is like me.  That we live in a topsy-turvy world.
    I do wish sometimes I could be like you, where I have trust in deeper trust, unbonding love for billionaires and leaders.   But for me, that's over.  This is the era of #metoo and subversion and anger at the leadership class.
    The world is dying.
    The planet is dying.
    Due to billionares not using their money to do the right thing.  People like the Koch brothers who use it to destroy the planet.
    This time is now.  
    BYE!
    I need to stop responding to you.  I feel like I am talking to a wall.  I rather be playing Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
     
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    Ed_David got a reaction from sanveer in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    You seem like a very nice, innocent person, Emanuel! I mean that as a compliment.  
    Here in America, things are very nasty.  People are nasty.  Brutish.
    We are having a major class war.
     Many of us have a different view on billionares and job innovators. We distrust silicon valley.  We distrust pharmacuticals.  We distrust heads of energy companies and goverment leaders. We distrust the mainstream media.  We distrust until we are proven right.  
     
    We trust whistleblowers.  We trust contrarians and outcasts and outsiders and artists and musicians and intellectuals and writers.  We distrust the "great" figures of our past history.
    It's a crazy time to be alive.  That the majority is like me.  That we live in a topsy-turvy world.
    I do wish sometimes I could be like you, where I have trust in deeper trust, unbonding love for billionaires and leaders.   But for me, that's over.  This is the era of #metoo and subversion and anger at the leadership class.
    The world is dying.
    The planet is dying.
    Due to billionares not using their money to do the right thing.  People like the Koch brothers who use it to destroy the planet.
    This time is now.  
    BYE!
    I need to stop responding to you.  I feel like I am talking to a wall.  I rather be playing Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
     
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    Ed_David got a reaction from EthanAlexander in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    If I spent $1300 on a phone that was promised as a revolutionary way to control the red, and then it didn't.
    Then promised I would get a deal in return for the hydrogen 2.  Then told that the hydrogen 2 is over and that the president and backer of the hydrogen 2 is retiring, I would be very, very, very upset.
    You maybe extraordinary in how you treat red.  You may also be confusing the company with a form of friendship and community that overrides any anger and loss if you lose thousands of dollars.
    Personally, I think, and would argue most people would think - that cameras should just be products, not groups of friendship . That way they cannot do these type of business practices and get away with it.
    Imagine people forming a community around a brand of a hammer.
    But of course, I get it.
    We are all very tribal.  You are personally (online) friends with the president of the company.  I would be defensive as well if I think that the company's president is my friend.
    That is all okay.  I completely understand.  
    I never got to that point with Sony or Canon or Convergent Design, even though I got to know a few key employees.  But I didn't talk up when they did some things I wasn't the biggest fan of either.  Like when I bought $6000 worth of slog licensing for my sony f3, then they made it free without giving a partial rebate at least.
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    Ed_David got a reaction from EthanAlexander in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    Thanks for your response, Emanuel.
    I have spent time as a cinemotography with a lot of interesting people.
    I worked on a doc with a murderer of two people (he was an armed robber_ as we filmed him coming home from jail.  He was super nice, super sincere.  A really nice person. 
    I worked with the CEO of a major corporation responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people due to his policy that goes against most ethical standards.  Again, really, really nice.  Very mellow.  Nothing weird or evil about him. No conflict from what I could tell.  We talked about personal matters that you could do with anyone.
    I'm not equating Mr. Jannard with these men. But I do know lying under oath in a federal court is not something most people will do, who have normal forms of ethics.  This is punishable in jail by at least 8 years in a federal prison.  Nor is it normal for most people in a position of power to ask an underling to lie and risk this amount of prison time for their own profits.
    The implications of Lance Armstrong's doping - if you can do yourself a favor to learn about it. You'll learn that it involved millions of dollars and more than just lying and cheating for money, he ruined lives in the process.
    As you say, "but what about the migrants?"  There's always something worse. But it doesn't make it okay what Jannard did. Intimidating an employee into lying and risking a prison sentence is not something any of us should ever do in life.
    It's highly illegal.  And again, he should not be celebrated, for that fact alone.  
    What type of people should be celebrated?
    How about Dr. Fossum who invented the CMOS sensor?  We wouldn't be where we are with CCD sensors.
    How about the people at Kodak who invented digital cameras?
    So many other figures with so much importance.  So many true innovators.  Why must we focus on Jim Jannard and Jarred Land and their Barnum-like antics?  Their shutting down and silencing of oppositional viewpoints.  Of publically shaming and DOXing and suing people who questioned them.  (Look into Jim's final post on reduser where he called out 2 prominent cinematography figures).  
    It goes on and on.
    Be well Emanuel.  I hope for yourself, as an ethical person, you can empathize with how this person should be viewed.
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    Ed_David got a reaction from majoraxis in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    Should you be celebrating a man who almost shut down EOS's blog in a threat of a lawsuit?  A man who got his employee to lie under oath about Lance Armstrong doping?  Who lied to the public about the origins of his camera?  Who is responsible for the Red Hydrogen, literally the worst tech product of 2018?  Who has bullied and banned people left and right in the cinematography forum?  
    How is this man superior to other people?  
    Why are we even discussing him or red?
    I owned the red one mx.  I owned 2 of them.  I owned the red epic.
    It was a great camera.  Flawed of course, how long it took to boot up.  The hard drive would hang a lot.  And it would overheat constantly. That fan noise.  The hard to get to bnc input and timecode input.  But a great image.  They never went past that.  The dragon you couldn't expose past 320 ASA.  Then every camera after that - the same look, pretty much.  The same greenish color cast.  
    If you want to do alternative history Emanuel.  Let's say red never happened.  As everyone else has said, the canon 5d mark ii happened.  The iphone still happened.  The need for DSLR's to survive in the face of cell phones taking over their market forced them to make them stills/video hybrid cameras.
    Would the sony f3 had been so cheap?  Would the sony f65 have been so cheap?  Would the alexa have been so cheap?  Maybe not.  But the tech existed.  Maybe some other company like black magic would have come in earlier.  Maybe JVC or Nikon would have gotten into video and lowered the prices. Maybe the 5d ii would have convince canon to release a 4k camera that does raw earlier in the game.  Maybe Arri would have as the sequel to the D21. Or Sony could have since they are leaders in cmos technology.
    Red One MX shook up the industry, great.  Everything after that didn't.  So what.  That's nothing that special.
    Jim didn't leave a legacy.  He put the guy in charge of his message board as the president.  
    And that's not a good business move.
    Look what's happened.
    You think the Gizmodo, I mean the Komodo, is going to save them? From the guy whose greatest creation is dvxuser.com? 
    Why would people buy their cameras now that everyone else has caught up, or surpassed them, with better skintones?  Most people I know who are owner operators moved to the alexa mini, or downgraded to the Ursa Mini G2 or FS7 or C300 ii.
    There's no place for their 30k cameras in this market - it's too tight.
    And if a 10k camera can do pretty much what a 30k camera can do, and now that red has no "mystique" to its name, why would anyone put 30k into a camera system, especially one that looks like with hydrogen, is not going that well.
    Move on, man.
    They are dinosaurs. Never adapted.  Chasing 8k over skintones or dynamic range or ISO sensitivity.
    It's a crazy world, these cameras.
    The friggin Sigma FP1 does raw full frame for 2k.
    How does Red compete?  With their overpriced redmini mags?  How?
    How are they going to survive?
    Good riddence to this bully company.
    And hello to the new guys.
    Hello to E2.  Hello to BMD.  Hello again to Panasonic that is adapting ever since it's glory days of the dv100 and hvx100.  And hello again to canon with the c500 ii and idx iii that look like they are taking big risks.  Hello to the new sony fs7 ii sequel whatever it is called.
    They are all trying their butts off to stay relevant in the current era.  Red, come on, with the Komodo?  It isn't even really announced.  Just what it is not.  What's the price?  Does it have internal NDs?
    Come on.  Don't waste your time on them.
    Time to go.
    BYE BYE Red.  
     
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    Ed_David got a reaction from EthanAlexander in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    I agree, I don't take anything for granted either that I read on the internet. Or information I get from anywhere.   I always do research first.  And when working on news stories, I always call or email the main source.  Hence was the case on the Jinnimag latest video.  I personally emailed Dr. Fossum, the inventor of CMOS, who is heavily featured in the latest Jinnimag video.  I got his response, which he later published to imaging world blog, that corroborated most of what the Jinnimag video said.
    The Jannard silencing of his employee during the Lance Armstrong criminal trial was reported on ABC, broken by the Sunday Times journalist David Walsh and featured in a ABC documentary, "Stop at Nothing: the Lance Armstrong Story."  ABC is one of Australia's largest tv networks, and the Sunday Times a large UK paper: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
     SOURCE:  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-02/sponsor-turned-blind-eye-to-lance-armstrongs-doping/5564074 
    More about David Walsh: "David Joseph Walsh (born 17 June 1955) is an Irish sports journalist and chief sports writer for the British newspaper The Sunday Times. He is a four-time Irish Sportswriter of the Year and a three-time UK Sportswriter of the Year. Walsh was the key journalist in uncovering the doping program by Lance Armstrong and the US Postal Service Cycling Team, leading to a lifetime ban from cycling for Armstrong and being stripped of his seven Tour titles."
    SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walsh_(journalist)
    From my research into Red, as a doc filmmaker, I would draw the conclusion that Mr. Jannard is not a figure to admire, nor attempt to defend or find value in. This is especially revealing in Walsh's award-winning journalism about Lance Armstrong and doping, and Jannard's involvement in the matter, which is quite prominent.   There are many, many other entrepreneurs who should be studied and cherished.  Still flawed people, like all of us, but still strong and ethical people. 
    From what I can understand, he works on an ethical level that is different than most people, similar to Lance Armstrong.  Perhaps why they were friends. 
    I am glad you tried to bring peace between EOSHD and Reduser.  These two forums should co-exist peacefully.  A lot of good people at reduser.  That's what makes me upset - that these good people invested thousands of their hard-earned dollars into a camera system that is based on "myths" and now, are watching the value of their investment crash as the "myth" of red has been removed.
    Please, Emanuel, if you do one thing in the next 24 hrs, read the ABC news article link and find out more about journalist's David Walsh's story.  And if you want, I am willing to contact David Walsh to find out more about Jannard.
    I personally don't have the time or the desire to find out more, but if you want, I will do it for you and get a follow-up comment onto his character and get permission to post it on this forum.  If you can do it, great, one less thing for me to do! Perhaps that will change your attitude towards Mr. Jannard as an example of, as you wrote, "progress."
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    Ed_David got a reaction from EthanAlexander in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    Should you be celebrating a man who almost shut down EOS's blog in a threat of a lawsuit?  A man who got his employee to lie under oath about Lance Armstrong doping?  Who lied to the public about the origins of his camera?  Who is responsible for the Red Hydrogen, literally the worst tech product of 2018?  Who has bullied and banned people left and right in the cinematography forum?  
    How is this man superior to other people?  
    Why are we even discussing him or red?
    I owned the red one mx.  I owned 2 of them.  I owned the red epic.
    It was a great camera.  Flawed of course, how long it took to boot up.  The hard drive would hang a lot.  And it would overheat constantly. That fan noise.  The hard to get to bnc input and timecode input.  But a great image.  They never went past that.  The dragon you couldn't expose past 320 ASA.  Then every camera after that - the same look, pretty much.  The same greenish color cast.  
    If you want to do alternative history Emanuel.  Let's say red never happened.  As everyone else has said, the canon 5d mark ii happened.  The iphone still happened.  The need for DSLR's to survive in the face of cell phones taking over their market forced them to make them stills/video hybrid cameras.
    Would the sony f3 had been so cheap?  Would the sony f65 have been so cheap?  Would the alexa have been so cheap?  Maybe not.  But the tech existed.  Maybe some other company like black magic would have come in earlier.  Maybe JVC or Nikon would have gotten into video and lowered the prices. Maybe the 5d ii would have convince canon to release a 4k camera that does raw earlier in the game.  Maybe Arri would have as the sequel to the D21. Or Sony could have since they are leaders in cmos technology.
    Red One MX shook up the industry, great.  Everything after that didn't.  So what.  That's nothing that special.
    Jim didn't leave a legacy.  He put the guy in charge of his message board as the president.  
    And that's not a good business move.
    Look what's happened.
    You think the Gizmodo, I mean the Komodo, is going to save them? From the guy whose greatest creation is dvxuser.com? 
    Why would people buy their cameras now that everyone else has caught up, or surpassed them, with better skintones?  Most people I know who are owner operators moved to the alexa mini, or downgraded to the Ursa Mini G2 or FS7 or C300 ii.
    There's no place for their 30k cameras in this market - it's too tight.
    And if a 10k camera can do pretty much what a 30k camera can do, and now that red has no "mystique" to its name, why would anyone put 30k into a camera system, especially one that looks like with hydrogen, is not going that well.
    Move on, man.
    They are dinosaurs. Never adapted.  Chasing 8k over skintones or dynamic range or ISO sensitivity.
    It's a crazy world, these cameras.
    The friggin Sigma FP1 does raw full frame for 2k.
    How does Red compete?  With their overpriced redmini mags?  How?
    How are they going to survive?
    Good riddence to this bully company.
    And hello to the new guys.
    Hello to E2.  Hello to BMD.  Hello again to Panasonic that is adapting ever since it's glory days of the dv100 and hvx100.  And hello again to canon with the c500 ii and idx iii that look like they are taking big risks.  Hello to the new sony fs7 ii sequel whatever it is called.
    They are all trying their butts off to stay relevant in the current era.  Red, come on, with the Komodo?  It isn't even really announced.  Just what it is not.  What's the price?  Does it have internal NDs?
    Come on.  Don't waste your time on them.
    Time to go.
    BYE BYE Red.  
     
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    Ed_David got a reaction from sanveer in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    I agree, I don't take anything for granted either that I read on the internet. Or information I get from anywhere.   I always do research first.  And when working on news stories, I always call or email the main source.  Hence was the case on the Jinnimag latest video.  I personally emailed Dr. Fossum, the inventor of CMOS, who is heavily featured in the latest Jinnimag video.  I got his response, which he later published to imaging world blog, that corroborated most of what the Jinnimag video said.
    The Jannard silencing of his employee during the Lance Armstrong criminal trial was reported on ABC, broken by the Sunday Times journalist David Walsh and featured in a ABC documentary, "Stop at Nothing: the Lance Armstrong Story."  ABC is one of Australia's largest tv networks, and the Sunday Times a large UK paper: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
     SOURCE:  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-02/sponsor-turned-blind-eye-to-lance-armstrongs-doping/5564074 
    More about David Walsh: "David Joseph Walsh (born 17 June 1955) is an Irish sports journalist and chief sports writer for the British newspaper The Sunday Times. He is a four-time Irish Sportswriter of the Year and a three-time UK Sportswriter of the Year. Walsh was the key journalist in uncovering the doping program by Lance Armstrong and the US Postal Service Cycling Team, leading to a lifetime ban from cycling for Armstrong and being stripped of his seven Tour titles."
    SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walsh_(journalist)
    From my research into Red, as a doc filmmaker, I would draw the conclusion that Mr. Jannard is not a figure to admire, nor attempt to defend or find value in. This is especially revealing in Walsh's award-winning journalism about Lance Armstrong and doping, and Jannard's involvement in the matter, which is quite prominent.   There are many, many other entrepreneurs who should be studied and cherished.  Still flawed people, like all of us, but still strong and ethical people. 
    From what I can understand, he works on an ethical level that is different than most people, similar to Lance Armstrong.  Perhaps why they were friends. 
    I am glad you tried to bring peace between EOSHD and Reduser.  These two forums should co-exist peacefully.  A lot of good people at reduser.  That's what makes me upset - that these good people invested thousands of their hard-earned dollars into a camera system that is based on "myths" and now, are watching the value of their investment crash as the "myth" of red has been removed.
    Please, Emanuel, if you do one thing in the next 24 hrs, read the ABC news article link and find out more about journalist's David Walsh's story.  And if you want, I am willing to contact David Walsh to find out more about Jannard.
    I personally don't have the time or the desire to find out more, but if you want, I will do it for you and get a follow-up comment onto his character and get permission to post it on this forum.  If you can do it, great, one less thing for me to do! Perhaps that will change your attitude towards Mr. Jannard as an example of, as you wrote, "progress."
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    Ed_David got a reaction from sanveer in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    Should you be celebrating a man who almost shut down EOS's blog in a threat of a lawsuit?  A man who got his employee to lie under oath about Lance Armstrong doping?  Who lied to the public about the origins of his camera?  Who is responsible for the Red Hydrogen, literally the worst tech product of 2018?  Who has bullied and banned people left and right in the cinematography forum?  
    How is this man superior to other people?  
    Why are we even discussing him or red?
    I owned the red one mx.  I owned 2 of them.  I owned the red epic.
    It was a great camera.  Flawed of course, how long it took to boot up.  The hard drive would hang a lot.  And it would overheat constantly. That fan noise.  The hard to get to bnc input and timecode input.  But a great image.  They never went past that.  The dragon you couldn't expose past 320 ASA.  Then every camera after that - the same look, pretty much.  The same greenish color cast.  
    If you want to do alternative history Emanuel.  Let's say red never happened.  As everyone else has said, the canon 5d mark ii happened.  The iphone still happened.  The need for DSLR's to survive in the face of cell phones taking over their market forced them to make them stills/video hybrid cameras.
    Would the sony f3 had been so cheap?  Would the sony f65 have been so cheap?  Would the alexa have been so cheap?  Maybe not.  But the tech existed.  Maybe some other company like black magic would have come in earlier.  Maybe JVC or Nikon would have gotten into video and lowered the prices. Maybe the 5d ii would have convince canon to release a 4k camera that does raw earlier in the game.  Maybe Arri would have as the sequel to the D21. Or Sony could have since they are leaders in cmos technology.
    Red One MX shook up the industry, great.  Everything after that didn't.  So what.  That's nothing that special.
    Jim didn't leave a legacy.  He put the guy in charge of his message board as the president.  
    And that's not a good business move.
    Look what's happened.
    You think the Gizmodo, I mean the Komodo, is going to save them? From the guy whose greatest creation is dvxuser.com? 
    Why would people buy their cameras now that everyone else has caught up, or surpassed them, with better skintones?  Most people I know who are owner operators moved to the alexa mini, or downgraded to the Ursa Mini G2 or FS7 or C300 ii.
    There's no place for their 30k cameras in this market - it's too tight.
    And if a 10k camera can do pretty much what a 30k camera can do, and now that red has no "mystique" to its name, why would anyone put 30k into a camera system, especially one that looks like with hydrogen, is not going that well.
    Move on, man.
    They are dinosaurs. Never adapted.  Chasing 8k over skintones or dynamic range or ISO sensitivity.
    It's a crazy world, these cameras.
    The friggin Sigma FP1 does raw full frame for 2k.
    How does Red compete?  With their overpriced redmini mags?  How?
    How are they going to survive?
    Good riddence to this bully company.
    And hello to the new guys.
    Hello to E2.  Hello to BMD.  Hello again to Panasonic that is adapting ever since it's glory days of the dv100 and hvx100.  And hello again to canon with the c500 ii and idx iii that look like they are taking big risks.  Hello to the new sony fs7 ii sequel whatever it is called.
    They are all trying their butts off to stay relevant in the current era.  Red, come on, with the Komodo?  It isn't even really announced.  Just what it is not.  What's the price?  Does it have internal NDs?
    Come on.  Don't waste your time on them.
    Time to go.
    BYE BYE Red.  
     
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    Ed_David got a reaction from tweak in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    I love Jim's quote so much!

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    Ed_David got a reaction from JordanWright in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    I love Jim's quote so much!

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    Ed_David got a reaction from sanveer in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    I love Jim's quote so much!

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    Ed_David got a reaction from ntblowz in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    I love Jim's quote so much!

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    Ed_David got a reaction from EthanAlexander in Jim Jannard steps down from RED   
    I love Jim's quote so much!

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    Ed_David got a reaction from BenEricson in Canon 1DX III, FF 4k60p with 422 10bit internal   
    According to newsshooter it does RAW lite internally. This camera, along with the c500 mark ii seems to mark a new era for Canon.  Alexa-like dynamic range and skintones.  Full frame.  Compact.  I have a lot of optimism for Canon.
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    Ed_David got a reaction from Ty Harper in Litepanels announce extended repair program for Astra series...   
    yup got $600 back!  and a free repair! consumer advocacy works!!!! I reached out to their sales rep about the matter  - I'm not taking full credit, but I reached out and we should all do this about any product if we are not happy with it.
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    Ed_David got a reaction from EthanAlexander in Jinni.Tech vs. RED Part 4 (1hr long)   
    But why would Apple spend all this money on a lawsuit if the patent is not stopping them from doing something?  
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    Ed_David reacted to buggz in Now phones can shoot creamy bokeh videos   
    This absolutely kills me.
    No one is willing to calm down and setup shots properly, etc.
    "oh, it'll be good enough."
    I really hate this line of misthinking.
    I tell people who say that, "okay for you, NEVER for me, you will NEVER be no more than good enough, or even less than."
    All my family says this when I bring out my gear and want to perform a proper shoot.
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    Ed_David reacted to Kisaha in Canon rush to reassure investors as camera profits plunge 64%   
    Yes, but there are quite a few of those niches, and a whole planet crazy about image and video right now. Youtube/fb/insta are running the planet (and I am not on any of those!).
    Also, camera phones IS a camera market, it is a phone that has dedicated sensors, lenses, photo and video pipeline, special imaging software, e.t.c like a dedicated camera does.
    Imagine Canon powered Xiaomi phones with 20-40% rights for Canon, offering AF, color science, their logo, maybe even a new fab for sensors - strengthen and modernize their own ancient fab labs. Back in profit instantly!
    Samsung left cameras because Samsung do not do niche anymore. They left most of their niche companies (military also, I think) but they still innovate and produce and gain in sensors, memory, ssd, phones, where they can mass produce.
    Other companies find their niche and thrive (BM, Fuji, e.t.c).
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    Ed_David got a reaction from cameraeye in Canon rush to reassure investors as camera profits plunge 64%   
    At the end of the day, in terms of image improvements, we have seen CCD vs CMOS chips, and the supporting microchips and image processing that goes with it that has given us a blackmagic pocket 4k and the soon to come out, zcam 2 full frame camera that can do raw 4k - which is quite amazing.  We've seen low light kings with canon and sony as well.  And we have seen skintone kings with blackmagic and Arri.
    So we kind of have reached the peak of what it is possible, for now, in terms of low-light, size, and capability.
    What remains, of course, is a beautiful image.  A beautiful colorful rich image..  Well for people like me that still think there is magic shooting on celluloid.  How celluloid  reacts to light  and overexposure, and motion, and tungsten lighting, and all color.  For me I don't think one camera does that yet.  And I would love to see camera makers continue to move this way forward.
    There's still room to be done, and there's still hope for a way to capture data that's better than CMOS.
    But for now, I don't really see many cameras making that much progress now.  I don't believe in the 4k vs 8k resolution wars. I'm pretty happy with what we have for video
    But for still photography, I really don't see too much more progress that can happen to be justified to the average semi-pro and consumer photographer that makes it worth it, as an investment in glass, and having to carry a camera around, vs just using an iphone.  Especially to those to upgrade their existing cameras as Kisha said.
    Is the next nikon z7 or z6 going to be that much better than the z6 for stills?  Sure the dream is the ultimate hybrid stills/video camera - and maybe someone will get there so it does 4k raw and pro res and also beautiful raw still images - but yea, where was I going?  I don't remember.  This post of mine was pointless.
    Mattius wins again!  I need to allow people to win arguments and move on with my life.  there is more to life than arguing or debating on a message board.    LEICA RULES! CANON DROOLS!
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    Ed_David reacted to Otago in Canon rush to reassure investors as camera profits plunge 64%   
    I think camera's may be coming to a cross roads, they won't be tools anymore, there won't be a noticeable difference in the output of a cheaper DSLR and a high end phone in most situations and for most people's uses. This has happened in lots of industries; computers are one, my 5 year old MacBook Pro still does everything that 90% of computer users need it for but Apple still sell plenty of new ones, cars are another because the current Golf R is far quicker than a Porsche from 10 years ago and the difference isn't that great to even a modern Porsche. 
    There will still be a market for people buying cameras like the Leica M, the Fuji's and esoteric products like the ALPA because using them is a different, and better for some, experience to using a phone or a conventional wheels and screens DSLR. Much like the Porsche and Golf example above.
    The issue for me will be whether they end up dead industries because of a lack of return on investment and reliability, can companies fund a new camera that we can afford when they know they will only sell a few 10's of thousands of them ? Companies still make film, but how many truly new emulsions have come out since the peak of film ? Companies still make turntables and hifi speakers but there's very little real innovation, because they are cottage industries. 
    Perhaps a lack of reliability will be their saving grace, will my GH3 last me as long as my Hasselblad ? I'm yet to actually have a digital camera fail me when I haven't done something egregious to it so perhaps ? 
     
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    Ed_David reacted to webrunner5 in Canon rush to reassure investors as camera profits plunge 64%   
    Nah I think you are wrong a some of your points. Right now I don't even Have a camera at all, because my stuff got stolen. But you know what even if I had insurance for it, or even won the Lotto not sure I would even buy a real camera now. It was just so much of a hassle to try to take something compared to just reaching in my pocket and bamm, it done. Is it as good, no, but for the average person it is More than good enough. And the average person is who your going to show the footage to to boot, even if you own an Arri who really is going to see it? Heck maybe 4 people on here even post footage at times.
    Here in the States there is just about Zero camera stores left. Wal Mart, Best Buy have nothing but cheap, useless P&S cameras. Even the average person know their phone is just as good except for the silly 400x lens on the P&S. 10 years from now you might not be able to give away a real camera. I don't have a clue how camera manufactures are going to even be in business down the road. Sure a few super high end Cine cameras dedicated to Blockbuster Movies might be left, but that is like a 100 cameras a year to sell If you are lucky. 10 years from now there probably won't even be real Actors. So you might not even need ANY cameras for movies or even Soap Operas. All done in computer.
    Nah if I was Canon right now I would pick up my marbles and just go home. I really don't think there is a future for what you call real cameras down the road. Why bother fighting the inevitable. There is no money in it anymore. Phones have just flat killed cameras like it or not.
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    portrait mode gets rid of the need for most people to have telephoto glass.  they do have different aputure settings in the pro app programs.  smartphones have a one button click to go into photo mode.  it's really not any slower, for most people.
    and I've been fooled by the iphone portrait mode so many times now on instagram.  And I work in this business  .  Cinema and semi pro photography will continue, but will be more and more niche.  just as film still hangs on.
    You are right.  I am theorizing about leica.  If Mattias you are able to make a prediction, do you think the new-gen leica will offer something more to casual rich people that gets them to want to chuck out their current phone, now that the iphone portrait mode is getting to be "good enough" for most people, and it's one less thing to bring around?
    Also aren't you a big Leica enthusiast?  I have no skin in the game.  But I do wish Leica survives, as I do with canon.  I think their glass is really amazing.  I haven't ever used one of their cameras, but I am sure they are quite amazing as well.
     
    the rich are getting richer for sure.  And watches is a status symbol for many rich people.  High end cameras are not.  I think the iphone x is a status symbol moreso.  Shooting with a camera is dorky, and will always be dorky.  Never sexy.  Unless it's a film camera then rich hipsters drool over that.  But I don't think rich kids notice whether another kid is shooting with a leica or a sony.  And without the #leica hashtag on a instagram post, no one is probably going to notice the difference between that and most other high end cameras like sony, nikon, canon, and iphone portrait mode.
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