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Caveat emptor: from a dpreview poster who got to try the camera in-store...
"The thing legit locked up on me and required a battery pull five times inside of a half hour with it."
"The worse news, and why you don't see any of the reviews that lean positive about the AF actually show video results. It's as bad as ever. Pulsing and hyper actively finding faces in doorways just as bad as the XT4 did. It's like the box you see on the screen is doing something completely different than what's actually recording. At F5.6 like most the positive reviews use, it's pretty confident but holy smokes even at 2.8 with the brick this thing was all over the place."
 

Sure, there's a lot of noise as there is in any online space, not least here. But does that mean we should disregard every contribution ever made on a given forum? Well, not if we have even a moderate capacity to separate the signal from the noise.
 
 
 

Caveat emptor: from a dpreview poster who got to try the camera in-store...
"The thing legit locked up on me and required a battery pull five times inside of a half hour with it."
"The worse news, and why you don't see any of the reviews that lean positive about the AF actually show video results. It's as bad as ever. Pulsing and hyper actively finding faces in doorways just as bad as the XT4 did. It's like the box you see on the screen is doing something completely different than what's actually recording. At F5.6 like most the positive reviews use, it's pretty confident but holy smokes even at 2.8 with the brick this thing was all over the place."
 

I hadn't seen Richard Wong's lemgthy review which is very in depth. It looks like 1080 is good on the GH6.
One other interesting finding is that rolling shutter is massively reduced in 4k 120, which might be useful for certain situations, although that frame rate comes with its own limitations, I believe.
And face tracking autofocus seems very usable.
 

There are at least two other users here, @kye and I, who agree with you.

I agree with @kye that highlight roll-off, when shooting log, is dependent on the tone curve applied/created in grading.
In addition to this point it's worth considering that if your camera doesn't have enough stops above middle grey to capture the highlight information you're interested in retaining, you have the option of deliberately underexposing your footage to preserve the highlights and boosting the exposure in post - at the expense of increased shadow noise.

It's partly because, on average, the people using the expensive cams are "better" at everything involved in making an image than those using the cheaper ones.
When I was starting out with still photography about 15 years ago I assumed that top of the line Canon cameras (1d, 5d) had image quality that was streets ahead of the bottom of the range (Rebels). While they were slightly better, of course, the real difference was due to the fact that I was looking at the work of professional users versus hobbyists.
Another good example is to compare Olan Collardy's marketing video for the GH6 versus the BTS vid, also shot on the GH6. One looks great and the other looks meh. Same camera, different users.

It's partly because, on average, the people using the expensive cams are "better" at everything involved in making an image than those using the cheaper ones.
When I was starting out with still photography about 15 years ago I assumed that top of the line Canon cameras (1d, 5d) had image quality that was streets ahead of the bottom of the range (Rebels). While they were slightly better, of course, the real difference was due to the fact that I was looking at the work of professional users versus hobbyists.
Another good example is to compare Olan Collardy's marketing video for the GH6 versus the BTS vid, also shot on the GH6. One looks great and the other looks meh. Same camera, different users.

Might come down to talent honestly. 

While I'm not about to buy, I'm also very interested in the quality of the 1080p on GH6.
Double the thanks to anyone who shares this 🙂 

@Mmmbeats or anyone else who has a GH6. Would it be possible to do one or the other of these quick tests as there is no hard evidence anywhere that I can find about GH6 1080 quality.
1. Shoot the same scene on a tripod comparing GH6 4k with GH6 1080 and upload an extracted still from each
OR
2. Shoot the same scene on a tripod comparing GH6 1080 with GH5 1080 and upload an extracted still from each
I am very close to buying a GH6 but if the 1080 is not good then I don't want it. I'd love to see the evidence with my own eyes before I make the purchase. 
I'll be eternally grateful if someone could take 15 minutes out of their day to do this.

There are at least two other users here, @kye and I, who agree with you.

So I got a R5c for a week to test to decide if to switch one of my R5 to a R5c.
 
After the first two days these are my observations in comparison to the R5, that are hard to get from the youtube reviewer madness.
 
The good:
8K 60 RAW is the same quality as 8K 30. Btw in Resolve on my gaming notebook I can playback on a 4k 60 timeline with no issue with some basic color grading. I was expecting worse
4k 60 is great and better than R5 4k 60 logically
S35 6K RAW is also very good
4k 120 it seems also a tad better than the R5 but I need more test here to confirm
XAVC is a way better format to edit than h265 so the fact that you can do 4k up to 120 fps 10bit Clog3 in XAVC is great
The Cinema menu system is much more logical and better organized.
Waveform! False Color and Magnifying all during recording.
All the right info on the recoding display, the R5 is a bit of mess while recording video.
You can decide what you show where for almost anything LCD vs VF vs HDMI
You can really decide what you want to record on the second card in parallel, the R5 is ok but fairly restricted
More DR, is it 1.5 stop more than R5 as Gerald claims I cannot judge but is definitely better than the R5
No limits, no overheating
Still very small body
With long lens with IS I really don’t miss IBIS, I see no difference vs R5 (70-200 and 100-500), non IS lens is a no go compared to the R5 logically.
Face Only AF is really good for filming person as it will not focus on the bg and back to the face if it looses the face. R5 does not have this mode.
AF at the maximum speed settings is on pair with the R5 it seems but I need more test to confirm
Media playback has waveform and vector scope, R5 has nothing
2TB delikin cards are fast enough for 8K RAW LT 60 fps
 
 
I can work with but it could be better:
Switching from Photo to Video is slow but not as terrible as I thought, disabling in both Photo and Video the sensor cleaning make it somewhat usable
Maximum shutter speed is 1/2000….. I sometime use the camera in 8K RAW as remote camera for pictures and I need more that 1/2000….R5 is 1/4000  Why is like this I have no idea,?
The media playback part is not that great, no magnification on playback (same as R5), UI not great, no slow motion playback speed (R5 has it), need a lot of button press to delete videos, you cannot scroll through videos with the wheel, although  on the plus side it plays back one after the other (R5 cannot do this). Would be super useful that you could cut RAW video files in the media playback (R5 cannot do neither)
No audio controls for the onboard mic. R5 has it.
The body is wider so balancing on a Ronin S with the nd adapter and EF 24-70 2.8 is not ideal as the VF bumps on the motor…. with some weights or having the motor work more is fixable.
With EF lens no auto Iris but the R5 can do it.
Prerecording does not work in RAW
 
 
 
The bad:
Battery is really miserable and if you record or not it consumes basically the same, the problem that when the menus are displayed the camera still capture video at the frame rate that you set….. the only way that it seems to stop chewing battery is to call the media playback menu, so this is the only trick that seems to work to save battery instead of turning it off.
Using PD power banks solve the issue but the USB-C is bound to break and is on the main board.
Using a Dummy battery coupler with a V-Mount battery currently is not a good solution because all the dummy ones regulate at 7.2v not enough for 60fps! The only one that serves 9v is the canon one Canon DR-E6C DC Coupler for EOS R5 C 5664C001 B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com) that is overpriced and a piece of junk as you need another adapter for the D-Tap Anton Bauer P-Tap to Canon 9V Barrel Cable (20") 8075-0271 B&H (bhphotovideo.com). Really a bad solution.
It desperately needs a third party dummy battery that regulates at 9v similar to this Kondor Blue D-Tap to Canon LP-E6 Dummy Battery KB-DTAP-CLPE6 B&H (bhphotovideo.com)
Or the real better solution a battery grip with 1Dx,R3 battery…….
If I keep it my plan is to buy a FXLION Nano One and use the USB PD port until somebody sells a 9v D-Tap dummy battery and then simply switch the cable.
AF is way less features rich than the R5: no animal, vehicle, helmet tracking. No various AF sizes only whole, large and small. AF > 60fps  is limited to Continuous AF, so no face tracking and no object tracking. This is the second biggest issue other than the battery
I could not find a way to store and recall settings like C1, C2, C3 on the R5…… so changing from 8K RAW 24p to 4k 120fps XAVC you need to touch multiple menu items. This should really be added.
Onboard WiFi is not working in Video mode.


Canon should enable the video feature in photo mode like in the R5 so if you need more rich AF and better battery is there.
Second they should optimize the battery management while not recording and add more features to the AF. The HW is capable so why not?
Third they should sell a D-Tap 9v dummy battery and a R3 battery grip too.
Forth they should remake the media playback part, with zoom, minimum video editing and better usability


I love the cinema OS for video but they really need to fix the battery and add AF feature then it would be the best camera. I’m even happy if they just re-enable video on the photo mode.
 
More tests in the next days. 

There are at least two other users here, @kye and I, who agree with you.

This BTS is interesting
 
 

I wrote, the GH6 piece shows some of the very best colour I have seen in any DSLM promo video, despite that red of the cloth was oversaturated imo.:)
My main point and emphasize is the beauty of colour coming from the camera and showing in this tasteful piece. It does not look unreal neither to me, as my perception of colour is very much connected to an emotional response, which does give me a feeling of something real. May that be real-ly dreamy or whatever. It is not realistic but of real suggestive power and giving an instant and real response relating to reality. So my two cents regarding perception, realism, realness. Not a third cent more though from my side regarding these complexes.:)
Imo there is a thickness and lushness achieved thanks to the cameras capabilities just as well as from the film artists and teams side. I have not seen any spectacular unlit examples with painterly colour interpretation of reality though. Still looking forward to it. For BMD cams fi there are plenty awesome video examples of great colour in unlit settings.
cheers and good night. 🙂

I totally agree. I'm travelling between continents at the moment and don't have access to a calibrated screen but on my phone it looks great.
The reds thing is interesting. I don't mind a certain amount of oversaturation of reds (you get this with classic Canon and also with Noritsu film scans) as it contributes a lot to vivacious skintones, which we also see here. But if it were me grading this I would have tried to pull the suit back a little bit using masks.
It's interesting to see forest scenes here. I often think Panasonic fails spectacularly with the greens and greys of woodland scenes, making everything look quite drab both in stills and video. It's not as pronounced in this vid but I still see a hint of it, I think. 
Overall a great video from a visual standpoint and miles away from the usual dross that gets posted using the standard profiles or VLog + Pana lut. It would be interesting to know which lut they used as a starting point for the grade.
 

One is for fan boys, the other is for fan girls:

Ha ha, there's a comment on the cinematographer's Insta (Olan Collardy)
"It's the wizard, not the wand"
I'm going to try the remember that one!

I totally agree. I'm travelling between continents at the moment and don't have access to a calibrated screen but on my phone it looks great.
The reds thing is interesting. I don't mind a certain amount of oversaturation of reds (you get this with classic Canon and also with Noritsu film scans) as it contributes a lot to vivacious skintones, which we also see here. But if it were me grading this I would have tried to pull the suit back a little bit using masks.
It's interesting to see forest scenes here. I often think Panasonic fails spectacularly with the greens and greys of woodland scenes, making everything look quite drab both in stills and video. It's not as pronounced in this vid but I still see a hint of it, I think. 
Overall a great video from a visual standpoint and miles away from the usual dross that gets posted using the standard profiles or VLog + Pana lut. It would be interesting to know which lut they used as a starting point for the grade.
 

Yeah, if you are really great at something, no matter what it is, you can use the worse equipment out there and still be better than 95% of all the rest of the people with great equipment.
I think a lot of us on here, me included, send a very bad message to the people that are starting up in video, even photography, that you have to have some big ass, high dollar camera to get the job done.  That is about as far off as you can get from true.
It is what is between your ears that count, not the gear. Slow and easy like I have said, with any gear you can afford. There is no such thing as a bad camera, even Smartphones in this day and age. When I was young, yeah you had to have a high end camera,  especially for video, but the playing field is level now no matter the budget.

....and if they did their temperature tests in a freezer or in the real world.
@mercer - here's the Canon S16 camera you always dreamed of!
Don't be silly - everyone knows that shooting kids sports games just needs a lot of reach and high fps, while feature films require a significantly improved image, leaving cats to be the most demanding of all.
Maybe a hybrid for the sports and films and the new Alexa for the cats?
Sounds about right..  unless RAW it's soft, soft, soft.
Overlays disappearing also sounds about right.  I wonder if anyone at Canon has a full grasp of which features work in combination with each other feature and mode?  It would have to be a 27-dimensional matrix of some kind.  I don't think even quantum computing can keep up with the complexities....

DPReview have a video review shot on R7. The footage looks lovely.
However, they say 4k crop is soft, 4k non fine is soft, HD 120p is soft.
Also, histogram and audio meters disappear when you hit record. 

Overheating seems to be an issue in downsampled 4K, with Canon saying you can get about an hour before it overheats. Pixel binned 4K 60p also apparently overheats. 4K 60p in crop mode apparently doesn't overheat and has a sharper image than the pixel binned 4K 60p that does.