Shirozina

The 24fps frame rate  just can't handle fast pans and it's a limitation of the medium either film or video but particularly video with non global shutters and the refresh rate of the screen you are viewing it on can add to the problem. Also when you are panning with a very wide lens you get extra movement at the edges of the frame due to the perspective distortion.

49 minutes ago, TurboRat said:

- Battery getting stuck - 

 

- Battery doors suddenly opening (also happens to a coworker's P4K) - 

 

- red clipping - there's a workaround with resolve though 

- footage turning green 

 

I mean if P4K owners say it's perfect then it's perfect, and that these problems are isolated cases. In my opinion I'm gonna wait it out.

I don't think any P4k owners (including me) think it's perfect but if you  are waiting for a perfect camera then good luck with that......

BTW - Samsung 1TB T5 on Amazon at the moment for £189.99.

You don't 'need' an IR filter but it just may help in certain situations. Cheap Vario ND's are junk even if some are better than others with regards to sharpness on longer focal lengths as only the very best ones have multi coatings which eliminate flare from the 4 air-glass surfaces. if you can't afford the top end B+W's with MC (which can be as much as a half descent lens) you are much better off with a set of fixed ND's where even cheaper ones have MC.

2 minutes ago, Alex Uzan said:

I don't find WS that good, and really think that last resolve Stabilizer is better in many way. 

But the best I tried so far, is ProDad Mercalli.
Really good for fixing Rolling shutter as well.

I edit and grade in Resolve Studio but often find I have clips I can't get a satisfactory stabilisation result with it so have to export a clip to Premier and do it in WS which I always find does a more effective job. In what ways do you think Resolve is better?

5 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

And SLog is at a higher ISO also. So it is never going to be as clean as say a 100 ISO comparison.

ISO is meaningless when comparing LOG to ready to use profiles. LOG at a base 3200 ISO and a ‘normal’ profile at base 100 ISO both require the same exposure in terms of shutter speed and aperture using and ETTR method. ISO is a leftover from photographic film practice and should have been binned years ago......

1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

You did that joke before and noone laughed. Read your room.

But I’m not joking;)

14 minutes ago, BenEricson said:

It looks like it vignettes with the speed booster though?

Vignette is another filmic/cinematic look which in addition to IR pollution is just making this camera more an more attractive!

Resolve’s stabilisation does a fast job but not as good as WS so this may be the right balance of speed vs quality.

I like the IR pollution - it's more filmic and cinematic

2 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Yeah the differences become more apparent when you get tricky lighting conditions. In that test above I could spot the EOS R a lot due to the lack of DOF. 

The big issue with the video in the original post is Slog has a lot more noise then standard profiles, so when comparing ISO its really unfair. If he used the standard profile or Cine4 it would look very clean. 

Slog doesn't have any more noise than the other profiles unless you expose it incorrectly. ISO comparisons between SLOG and say cine is meaningless as the method of measuring ISO is to measure a midtone which on SLOG is highly elevated due to the response curve of LOG. Try this yourself - set up a scene using ETTR i.e set the brightest part of the scene to just under zebra flashing at 105% then change between SLOG and a standard profile and the exposure settings via your Aperture or ND filter won't change even though your ISO will be vastly different. 

2 minutes ago, thephoenix said:

no but always better to have proper colors when shooting

It has 'proper colors' to start with. The calibration that Atomos does in the factory is likley on a  better device than the I1pro which is pretty basic as far as calibration devices go and you could well end up with worse colour afterwards. Just trying to save you money

Better for what ? - are you using it as a grading monitor in post production? 

37 minutes ago, thephoenix said:

hi all

 

planning to buy the ninja V.

of course i will need to calibrate the screen and i've found that i need this cable https://www.xritephoto.eu/atomos-calibration-cable-usb-to-serial.html

in order to do it.

question is: do you know any "noname" cable i can use ? because this price for a simple cable.. come on !!

 

 

Why do you need to calibrate it?

1 hour ago, austinchimp said:

Actually surprised how close they looked here.

Isn't the truth now that all modern cameras produce very good images and the differences between them are more a matter of taste and style than of one being markedly better than another. The flaws I see in footage these days seem to come more from operator error in either the capture or the post production stages.

11 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Yeah but like you said Slog3 wasn't designed to be used with the A7 cameras.

It's fine when put in a good codec VIA the HDMI out.

2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Well this is pretty damn interesting.

 

They both look like equally bad mobile phone footage. It's easy to make the better camera look like the worst one in the grade by crushing the blacks. 

34 minutes ago, TurboRat said:

On another note: Did you guys buy an external monitor for the P4K? We were on a shoot today trying out the P4k and wanted some low angle shots as well as an overhead shot but had a hard time doing it. Had to borrow a GH5s for those shots

I've got the Ninja V - it works well but has some issues with the zebra accuracy ( see my other post)

I've got a problem with the Zebras on the Ninja V with the P4k. When I set the zebras to 100 or 105% they won't come on at all no matter how over exposed the image. When I set them to 95% they will start to show but in the waveform is way down at just over 80%. With zebras on the P4k set at 100% the waveform display on the Ninja hits 100% so the waveform is at least accurate. On the GH5 in V-LOG which peaks at 80% I have to set the Ninja zebras to 85% to match the internal zebras which is not too bad and again the waveform seems accurate. I've contacted Atomos about this and am awaiting a response.....

5 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

For Pro work I am not too sure I would go with a cable that is that thin. Just think how thin the wires in it have to be. There is 19, yeah 19 wires in a HDMI cable. If the didn't have to bend it much sure. But if you break down, set up a rig often not too sure about that.

That's true but the thick cable of the  Atomos also puts additional strain on the connectors - you can't win!

5 minutes ago, nigelbb said:

Just put each project on a separate SSD.

5-7 1TB SSD's are going to cost a lot more than a Raid 0 setup but yes that's an option if costs are not a concern. 

This seems to work on my  GH5 - Ninja V at  4k 60p 10bit

https://www.cinegearpro.co.uk/products/came-tv-foot-ultra-thin-and-flexible-hdmi-cable-aa-european-warehouse1ft-2ft-3ft-6ft

Big saving on the Atomflex Pro......

46 minutes ago, nigelbb said:

I don't understand why SSDs aren't practical if your projects are 6-800GB each will easily fit on a 1TB SSD. A 1TB SSD costs about the same as a 6TB HDD.

6-800gb projects are pretty small projects. At the moment for large amounts of data and fast read and write times RAID 0 is still a lot cheaper than SSD.

I haven't had any issues with flare with my M2 and I would have noticed this.

4 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

lol at using slog3 for a low light test

Low light can be a high or low DR situation so Slog can be appropriate as it has the highest DR. Mind you for 8bit internal it's not a good idea.

37 minutes ago, Snuff said:

 

What's the point in comparing a non focal reducer adapter with a focal reducer adapter? The Viltrox doesn't have any flocking on the internal surfaces ( just like the early version Metabones non focal reducer adapters) but it's a pretty easy job to add some.