Damphousse

I'm not a pro and I've never used a C series camera. I do own a BMPCC though. C series are totally different cameras. They are the polar opposite of the BMPCC. There is no comparison. They are both good for what they are. The BMPCC 4k looks like it will be substantially easier to work with than the BMPCC but it isn't going to be in the same league as the C Series. If you like the colors, the codecs, and need 4k get the BMPCC 4k. But if you are delivering 1080p and are a one man band in a fast turn around commercial setting I would stick with the C Series. Honestly I am not into this hybrid camera thing. In the end I will probably end up with a a couple of video cameras and a DSLR and maybe a mirrorless camera. There are just too many compromises trying to get everything in one camera. So owning a BMPCC 4k and a C series camera would be something I could see myself doing.

I guess what is confusing people is none of that requires an alarmist post. I thought you had some new information. There hasn't been any game changing new information in months.

In fact some would say it is the oldest profession. And it is a lot more honest than much of the modern world...

That pretty much sums it up. Look at DSLRs. The megapixel race ended awhile ago and body refresh cycles are getting longer and longer and less and less meaningful. Eventually we will get to peak video and just about any camera will be capable of excellent results. I sell pictures from my T3i for book covers and national advertisements. I've beat out pros for projects. No one and I mean no one is going to look at a book cover and say, "gee, I think this was taken with a T3i". If I was a pro of course I would upgrade to a better camera for speed, accuracy, and ergonomics sake. But I'm not expecting to suddenly be taking mind blowingly better pictures. I am excited about the BMPCC 4k because of the value at the price point. I also find the files easier to work with as an amateur. I don't want to fight with sony skin tones or have to light a scene for a GH5. My skills are limited so I use the tool that gets me nicer stuff with less effort... and at a great price. Hopefully the BMPCC 4k will continue the Blackmagic tradition. But really. We need to stop the pro vs nonpro discussion. Or at least move it to another thread. Call the BMPCC 4k whatever you want... I'm probably buying it.

The RX1 does NOT have a zoom lens. Read the post I was responding to. Also how much does the RX1 cost? How many do they sell? All sorts of niche weird and wonderful things are made. That doesn't mean they are mass market hits or profitable.

Please don't do that anymore. I have a project that I have to finish on a deadline and I thought I lost a month of time BSing on EOSHD!

An RX10 with a 1" sensor and only 1080p recording costs $800 new. So a full frame bridge camera is going to cost waaayyyy more. Not many people want to pay that price and be stuck with one lens. Consumer electronics is a low margin business. A few companies like Apple make nice profits but have you seen how much they charge and what features they leave out? These people aren't stupid. If they were going to come out with a full frame in house camera they would have done it BEFORE they destroyed their reputation with photographers.

"Samsung open to new camera system" is a bit click baity. I didn't read anything that indicated NX2 is on the horizon. All the recent press release stated was stuff about cell phone cameras. People really need to let this NX2 thing go. There is no evidence it is going to happen. Transforming a cell phone camera press release into NX2 fan fiction porn is a bit... desperate. I wouldn't call it "medium format". I shoot medium format film and 645 is like the red headed step child of medium format. I shoot 6x6. And I keep salivating over 6x8 and 6x9 cameras. You offer long time medium format shooters something smaller than 645 and you get the reaction you just witnessed. Sorry. That's just the way it is. Marketing departments can label stuff whatever they want. I mean they can call a Canon Rebel "full frame" if it makes them happy. Doesn't change physics. My only concern is how is this lens going to perform on this body? Oh and the real men and women shoot 4x5 inch and larger! I just haven't made the just to sheet film yet!

Oh, it is definitely an interesting way not to compete with Youtube.

Rent. Rent whatever camera you need right now and buy a BMPCC 4k in September. Simple. $3K is peanuts. If someone came to me with a HOT business idea but they said they couldn't afford to spend any more than $3K on their most critical tool I would pass on that amazing opportunity. People need to get serious about their craft.

No need for your "hunches". The manufacturer already told us it has the exact same DR as the BMPCC. It is in the product description on the manufacture's site.

And airports display flight information on portrait oriented monitors. That is a lot of mental gymnastics to justify such a quirky decision. The youtube market is huge. The "fashion influencers" who solely shoot vertically market? ehh...

$1295 with resolve is just too good of a price. It is a no brainer price. $3,500 is waaayyyyy too much. It may be a killer price for a C200 but it is still in a different league than a BMPCC 4k.

I can see how that argument would work... in a parallel universe where we hadn't already seen the prerelease footage. The footage is bad. We all agree on that. And the company has a terrible track record. No way I touch that camera whether the BMPCC 4K exists or not. No raw. No prores. No USB C recording. No xlr. No 5 inch screen. No Davinci Resolve. One of two things will happen. Either the footage will get dramatically better or the price will drop to sub $1,000. Even if the footage was pretty decent I just don't see myself swapping all the other things Blackmagic is giving you just to get 120 fps in a compressed codec. I get that some people are crazy about high frame rates but I am not going to dump a ton of every day work horse features for one niche thing I would use sparingly.

The camera was announced and put in the hands of journalists back in April at NAB. You can preorder it now. It exists. They even recorded 4k to a SSD via USB C in an auditorium full of people.

BMPCC 4k.

Vertical video ONLY! So completely useless for me.

That's the answer. Simple. 4k is dime a dozen these days. If you have client demand just get a 4k camera and instantly increase your credibility. My problems at work are a lot more complex than this. If all I had to do was shoot 4k to make my problems go away I would consider myself blessed. Heck I would have been shooting 4k years ago and TELLING clients they need it and they need to pay a premium for it.

I think you summed it up very well. You see so many false arguments on the internet. I could have every fancy scope on the planet and an experienced DP could light and shoot a scene before I could even have all my equipment turned on. We use tech to give us a fighting chance. No one is saying it is a substitute for talent or experience. As hobbyists we know our limits. I don't have a focus puller living in my basement. So DPAF has appeal to me. If a Hollywood DP said he can't shoot a movie without autofocus yeah I would be a bit incredulous. But Joe hobbyist? I don't know about that. There have always been two kinds of photographers out there. You just have to decide which type you want to be. I dare anyone to show us ANY published Ansel Adams work that has "poor technical quality". Ansel did it all. If you are a more limited artist then make peace with it and put out technically poor work. As you stated you can be quite successful without being very thorough or thoughtful about the technical process.

Can we please stop requesting this? We literally know nothing about it. No one has explained what this offers over open source raw.

I was thinking the same thing but I was too afraid to ask! Thanks for asking. It generated some useful answers.

I don't think that is correct. All the cameras on that list that I recognize are bayer sensors. You would have to over sample substantially to get a "true" 4k final output. This is what netflix says... For a bayer sensor that is techinically wrong. I guess there is no law defining "true 4k". But if a sensor only has 3840 photosites it can only be "true 4k" if it is a purely grayscale camera. Otherwise all those photosites are split between red, green, and blue light capture. You are not getting 3840 photosites capturing red light. That is why the 1080p out of the C100 was so amazing. It was downsampled from a 4k sensor. The Red Monstro is a lot closer to "true 4k" than the C300 MK II. I think Netflix just wants you to have 4k photosites. It really is just an arbitrary line that they have drawn. It is good for their marketing. They aren't going to explain to the end viewer the difference between 4k photosites and "true 4k". Thanks for your honest and frank thread. I haven't done a side by side experiment myself, so it is nice to see someone's genuine reaction. All good information.

Define "compatible". Depending on how you define "compatible" it may not also mean "optimal". I posted the M43/BM compatibility table already. Read the second footnote. Blackmagic spells it out in a very detailed manner. I guess everyone is familiar with the type of mount and sensor crop. What you guys keep glossing over is sensor stack thickness. You can't just look at two out of three parameters and declare optimal compatibility.

Please stop telling people to buy a speedbooster before Metabones even has a chance to look at the camera. I spent more on my speedbooster than my BMPCC. It is an important purchasing decision. No one should jump the gun and buy a speedbooster based on your questionable and somewhat strange conjecture. I honestly can't figure out why you have such a strong conviction about your guesses regarding the sensor stack thickness. This has to be the oddest debate in the history of this forum. Sensor stack thickness on an unreleased camera?! How did this become a controversy?

Okay. Thank you. Savannah's post didn't make any sense and confused me. It would be odd for Metabones to definitively decide at this date not to even look at making a camera specific speedbooster. I'm probably not going to get the BMPCC 4k till next year. I have one M43 kit lens and I will just use that till we get some final answers from Metabones. We are all anxious to get started but it is better to just be patient and wait instead of spreading misinformation.