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But EF mount + the sub 4/3" sized BMCC sensor is a very bad combo indeed.

7 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

Only problem is that the Sony E-mount is well protected by patents and no-one is allowed to make it.

If others could make E-mounts then Blackmagic and JVC would already have done it. Like JB once pointed out, funny how the BMCC EF was announced just after the Canon EF patents expired.

Maybe that is a bad thing however? As if they patent had remained then perhaps Blackmagic would have done BMCC MFT first!

8 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Well, isn't it the same thing...? LOL (under means up to a certain value as much as to say a teenager is under 19 or a camera under $10K can cost anything 'under' $10,000 included... I must confess certain posts fully puzzle me :-D)

 

I'd say a teenage is "under 20"

18 hours ago, verduzco said:

43 rumors posted an article with the exact crop factors calculated for the GH5S's sensor. From what I understand, if you want to use a speedbooster with the sigma zoom lenses you'll be out of luck. I hope I'm mistaken though since I primary use my sigma 18-35mm. 

https://www.43rumors.com/exact-crop-factors-caluclated-new-gh5s-multiaspect-sensor/

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If you add a Speed Booster XL to the GH5s you get in DCI 4K a crop factor of 1,149x with 35mm lenses.

 

Wow!! That is for most practical purposes basically "full frame"!

Maaaaaaaaybe the Sigma 18-35mm might work at some focal lengths but not all? Maybe only 24-35m for instance? Be interesting if someone could test it out on a GH2/GH1 of a Speed Booster XL with a Sigma 18-35mm f1.8. 

But with a "normal" focal reducer (0.71x) you will be completely 100% fine. I use a Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 on a RJ Lens Turbo with my Panasonic GH1 (which has an identical sensor width of 19mm in 16:9 as the GH5S, which is already very close to the Canon APS-C width of 22mm!). 

19 hours ago, Emanuel said:

on, there are two features I really miss on the GH5s version: IBIS and the upcoming 4K/60p 10-bit

Who believes GH6 will have 4K 60fps 10bit internal? Remember that the GH6 is a year (or more) away. I think optimistically the odds are only at best 50/50

Might need to wait for the GH7 before we see that. 

19 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Here's their "technical excuse":

oh what the fvck, I hadn't seen that video beforehand! Wow, the PR guy was trying to spin that much harder than I expected. 

19 hours ago, jonpais said:

@PannySVHS Watching it now, I'm not too thrilled with the color. May I ask why you watched it in 480p? And why did you watch Robin's video without sound? Is everything okay?

Next step is to watch videos without sound, in B&W, and at 320P

No need for IBIS here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f2b9xsAtnY

19 hours ago, jonpais said:

@DBounce Like you, I believe it was technically impossible to put IBIS into the GH5s without altering the body; and I don't buy Panasonic's excuse that they removed IBIS to satisfy the .0001% of filmmakers that object to it.

Panasonic didn't say they *chose* to remove IBIS, the benefits of not having it was just a thing mentioned in passing to point out "hey, it isn't all bad!"

Anyway, this video didn't need IBIS:
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f2b9xsAtnY 

21 hours ago, jonpais said:

Not overly fond of bright night scenes that are more intense than direct sunlight. Maybe in small doses? I use lights - in fact, I love having control over lighting - so high sensitivity isn't a big deal to me. 

I generally want a scene to look *realistic*, doesn't mean it should look identical though! I might go a little brighter (or even a little darker, if that is the mood desired), but to be massively different in appearance to reality? Unlikely I'll take that path. 

Yeah, Teradeck is almost an "industry standard", such that people will just say "hey bring a Teradeck" when they don't even mean specifically that but just a wireless in general. 

I saw it pretty much immediately, but was waiting on their reply (as I thought surely they must have got it wrong in the review!) before kicking up a fuss over this. 

10 hours ago, Emanuel said:

David, nice scope you have on topic. I thought that had been written by me (except the fact you left the REDs outside), can you imagine? My finest vote would end on Blackmagics anyway. They fully deserve it!

@IronFilm

RED? What is that?

These cameras can film ALL colors! Not just red ;-)

2 hours ago, tweak said:

Show me how to use a monopod swimming where you can't touch the bottom... hahaha.

Simple.

You use a very very very very very very very very very very very very tall monopod.

Was so extremely excited and happy over the Panasonic GH5S announcement:

 http://ironfilm.co.nz/leaked-the-specs-of-the-panasonic-gh5s-finally-we-get-the-first-stills-camera-with-timecode-i-o/

But now I'm starting to get very worried, extrashot just replied in the comments of their YouTube video:

 

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I agree... it's a major disappointment the way things are at the moment. The GH5S isn't constantly jammed to the input... it jams when the menu option is pressed and then runs on it's internal clock until you jam it again.  And yes, the internal clock loses 9 frames each time the camera sleeps or is turned off.  I'm used to cameras that will stay perfectly sync'd to timecode for as long at you leave the BNC connected... so this is very frustrating.  If you're running a multi camera shoot on mains it could be useful... or if you remember to jam to the audio mixer every time before hitting record.  I was hoping that this T/C function wasn't quite right because we were using a pre-release version of the firmware... and I haven't heard any other reviewers pick up on it yet?

 

Wait... what?? No way, it can't be constantly jammed to the input??? I hope this isn't true in the shipping product. Otherwise I have to ask what were the Panasonic designers smoking at the time?! This is a major major issue that Panasonic needs to address asap!

Is tricky to give advice without knowing your budget range, but here are some suggestions I'd give:

Varicam LT: arguably "the best" camera right now (short of an Arri 65 or Sony F65 etc... those truly ridiculous priced ones!). Yes, even better than say the usual Arri Alexa. Plus, you can pick up an EVA1 or GH5S as a great B cam for the Varicam!

Sony F5 / F55: the F5 is going very cheap these days secondhand, is packed with more features perhaps than any other camera at this price point.  (and you're F3 could stick around as a lovely B cam for its "free" price! ha)

Sony FS7: basically is a "baby F5", very similar in picture quality, & capable of 4K 60fps 10bit as well. But lacking many of the extra bonuses you might see on the F5, such as TC or genlock, but you said you don't care about those anyway. 

URSA Mini Pro: best bang for buck of all of these that I'm mentioning! (unless you get an absolute bargain for an F5, which I've seen occasionally them go for FS7 secondhand prices) The URSA Mini Pro is a lovely evolution forward from the URSA Mini 4.6K (which is itself a *lot* better than its brother the URSA Mini 4K, so don't get those two mixed up when reading reviews!)

Kinefinity Terra 4K: gives the URSA Mini Pro a hard run for "value for money", coming close behind. Has an eND option with the Kinemount with EF lenses. (also can do PL lenses, but I don't know of an eND for PL, however I imagine with PL lenses you'd be more ok with using a mattebox as well) 

EVA1: the most compact 4K 10bit on the market! Super lightweight for a camera with those specs plus S35 + NDs + TC + SDI + etc... and you've got the option between EF or PL with a third party accessories. 

Ones I would *NOT* consider  (but you might, but probably won't... as you're stuck with EF *or* PL, not both! But all the cameras I mentioned above, at a minimum, can switch between EF and PL):

Canon C200: lacks a middle codec, you only have the extremes of 8bit or raw!!
C300 mk2: overpriced (although, its price has massively come down since launch. So not so crazy to pick it now)

8 hours ago, Danyyyel said:

From his explanation it is 16.6 stops with the 3-4 stop getting increasingly noisy, but 14 stops is usable. So depending on someone noise tolerance, it could be between 12.6 to 14 stop. The whole blog workflow is very interesting and very deep technically, so looks to be very credible.

Or even "seventeen stops" if someone is pedantic and totally ignoring noise levels!! :-P 

This is why it can be so tricky to trust stated DR numbers, unless you see them side by side. 

(for instance reduser fanboys are well known to overstate DR!)

6 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

There are a couple GH5's listed at $1600 on Fred Miranda's buy and sell boards - one comes with 5 extra batteries, a double charger and Vlog. 

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1525646/0?keyword=gh5#14317783

Not sure they're going to drop dramatically from there - 20% off in less than a year.

If only that GH5's in your sentence lacked the apostrophe! 

6 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

..though I whine about the EF mount on the EVA, because most of my legacy glass is in Nikon or FD mount, I find the image drool worthy...

That awesomeness of own Nikon lenses is you can very easily use them on any EF camera. 

12 hours ago, Emanuel said:

LOL No more likes for today, I even had to remove a couple of them (sorry, Luke!)

We should get extra spare likes to spread around every time Panasonic releases a new camera.

12 hours ago, Don Kotlos said:

As for your concerns about IBIS, I can tell you with certainty that temperature affects the noise of the image, and placing a large heat sink on the sensor can give a much better image. For example, this is the heat sink that ursa mini is using:

Damn, look at the size of that thing!

10 hours ago, TheRenaissanceMan said:

GH5 is clearly a better hybrid, and has distinct advantages for hobbyists without support gear, but the S definitely gets me hotter under the collar. 

Maybe you need one of those URSA Mini heatsinks/fans to cool you down?

9 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

As Ironfilm pointed out, Panasonic is doing the smart thing by chasing the niche's that CaNikon ignore. IMO, if Panasonic would add a top notch hybrid AF system, they could really put a hurt on the C1/200. Though Olympus and Fuji can't come close to Sony levels of AF-c, much less Canon's with the DPAF - so maybe that's a tougher nut to crack. I can live without IBIS (though I prefer it), but I'm not a fan of DFD at all. That's why I'll wait for used copies of the GH5s so I can take one for an extended test drive without losing any cash in the process.

Agreed about "tougher nut to crack". Even if Panasonic just got par with Sony (which isn't really that far off?) then it would do wonders for them. 

But makes business sense for Panasonic to target the "low hanging fruit" that they can do to "get ahead" of the competition, such as 4K DCI 10bit or better lowlight

Agreed also about waiting for used copies of the GH5S, what is the rush? I am going to try hard not to buy any cameras this year! (although I am discussing with one person about buying a RED ONE.... oops!)

13 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

In February 2013, Red filed for an injunction against Sony, claiming that several of its new CineAlta products, particularly the 4K-capable F65, infringed on patents the company held. They requested that Sony not only be forced to stop selling the cameras, but that they be destroyed as well.[23] Sony filed a counter suit against Red in April 2013, alleging that Red's entire product line infringed on Sony patents.

Hahaha, patent lawyers are hilarious! :-P 

13 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Cine cameras are way too expensive anyways, not that Porsche's aren't either...

Which depreciated faster, the RED ONE or the Porsche?! Guessing the RED

11 hours ago, rokkimort said:

Super35 sensor (1.6x crop or less). No 2x GH5 and speedbooster nonsense.

Have a serious look into the new GH5S (not the GH5! Different camera). 
And how are focal reducers "nonsense"?

11 hours ago, rokkimort said:

Good internal codec, ProRes 422 or similar. No external recorder nonsense.

Darn it! Was going to suggest the FS700 with 4K raw. As they're selling for sub $2K on ebay. 

11 hours ago, rokkimort said:

No crop on higher framerates.

 

But what if you had no crop for 120fps? Then there is 240fps with a crop? I'd assume that would still be ok?

11 hours ago, rokkimort said:

Thanks! It doesn't have a PL mount, right? I lost interest to it when they announced it's EF only.

You can swap it with PL, back and forth between the two. 

11 hours ago, rokkimort said:

Ability to mount on a Ronin or other gimbal – so the cam has to be on the small/light side when rigged.

How big may we go with the gimbal? 

https://www.came-tv.com/collections/came-prodigy/products/came-prodigy-3-axis-gimbal-camera-32bit-boards-with-encoders

11 hours ago, rokkimort said:

Good low light (no Ursa Mini with FPN on ISO800).

The URSA Mini Pro and URSA Mini 4.6K are a *lot* better than the URSA Mini 4K / BMPC4K / original URSA 4K.

 

9 hours ago, Grimor said:

You can see fine detail on shadows...

Shadows? Where? Sorry, I couldn't find any....

9 hours ago, Grimor said:

Low light test.

 

How do you know if this was shot with the GH5S?

14 hours ago, jonpais said:

I like it. I want a smoke machine!

I've got the same smoke machine as him, but when I was shooting a scene for a feature last month I realised it had broken :-( We had to run out and buy smoke in a can instead

12 hours ago, timpy said:

Hey Raafi, how do you find the audio on the body (Without the Kineback)? Do you think it will do fine with a Rode mic in the 3.5mm?

A camera mounted mic on *ANY* camera is never going to be a great option.

15 hours ago, Tim Sewell said:

Maybe, but the Cion would look much nicer on a display shelf in my lounge.

Haha! If you want it for that purpose, why not just buy an old Arri or Aaton 16mm film camera instead to put on your shelf? Even nicer! :-D

12 hours ago, Emanuel said:

But please, give us a break when someone pops up with the everlasting R&D argument. When the Panasonic man comes to honestly tell us both models were developed at same time.

Just because they were both developed at the same time, doesn't mean the R&D costs for the GH5S was "free".

Is this in reference to new cameras?!

On 1/11/2018 at 12:23 PM, xavpil said:

Like the title says, should I get a good body like Canon 80D and a "regular" lens or get a T3i body with a more expensive lens?

From the long term perspective, a lens will depreciate slower than a camera body will. Thus in the long run you'll come out ahead. 

But no way on earth would I ever be buying any of those Canon DSLRs! :-o 

With your teeny budget I'd suggest:

Secondhand Panasonic G7
Secondhand Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 in Nikon F mount (or similar lens, such as from Tamron)
Secondhand Nikon 50mm f1.8 
RJ Lens Turbo
Panasonic 14mm f2.5 pancake
Panasonic 25mm f1.7
Tascam DR10L (your budget is too low for true wireless, but at least having this will massively improve the quality of your talking head videos)
Sirui tripod & monopod with a fluidhead
CAME-Single gimbal

I'd like to also add the suggestion of redheads and a 1x1 LED panel. But I suspect we've already blown your budget!