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9 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:
I still don't think that's a statement of fact though. Can you explain why it wouldn't work? as I said before, I used that exact plastic rig with an FS5 yesterday, all day and it worked perfectly, so I'm struggling to see why a smaller, lighter camera won't work.
Been a while since I used a BMCC (which is an identical body to a BMPC4K), and only had a very limited experience with the FS5, but I would hazard a guess that a typical minimal rig of a FS5 is lighter than a typical minimal rig of a BMCC.
And I would say however you *can* use the BMPC4K/BMCC on the cowboy shoulder rig, it is not something I'd recommend doing in the long term. -
11 hours ago, mercer said:
I’d take a BMPCC/BMMCC over a GH5 any day of the week, especially for narrative work.
if a director/producer told me to shoot with any one of a Pocket/Micro/GH5/GH5S then I wouldn't mind in the slightest, I feel they're all "equal but different" to each other.
11 hours ago, mercer said:But if you want a more cinematic look at half the cost, the Pocket or Micro wins.
I reckon your color grader and lighting technique goes further in determining "cinematic" than picking a GH5S or a Pocket.10 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:I look at the BM stuff versus a GH5 like the Sigma Foveon cameras versus something like a Fuji X100F.
Both APS-C, both fixed lens but the Fuji canes the Sigma at every turn for low light, speed and functionality but then you look at the RAW images from the Sigma.
But a perfect comparison/analogy, but I like it!10 hours ago, SR said:My bad. I was thinking of the 4.6k Ursa mini.
Exactly, don't mix up the 4.6K sensor (which is in the URSA Mini 4.6K and URSA Mini Pro) with the 4K sensor! (note that BMD doesn't even bother to offer the 4K sensor in the URSA Mini Pro, as BMD has realised it is time to drop that 4K sensor from their line up)
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14 hours ago, Nikkor said:
What's the deal with the micro cinema camera 4K? Never read about it on the forum, 4K raw in a small (so you need a recorder? Or just a monitor?)
Like TwoScoops said, it is not a cinema camera it is a studio camera which gives you the hint it is not for us.
It uses a completely different sensor that doesn't have the same dynamic range capabilities at release.
Although lately there has been a significant firmware update, which gives for instance a 4K raw output (it never had any internal recording capabilities).11 hours ago, Don Kotlos said:It would be easier to rig up the micro studio with an external recorder, or if you don't need IBIS or high resolution stills go with the GH5s instead.
Heh, you got me wondering now about which would be "less worse" the BMPC4K or the Micro Studio with a recorder? As I have quite a low opinion of both set ups.11 hours ago, webrunner5 said:For the same money, heck even less, you can buy a used Panasonic GH4 which tons of people have made tons of great stuff with. Other than 10 bit, 4k 60p they are not that far behind the GH5. Color science is a bit worse on them, but for someone new starting out they are a buy of a lifetime now used.
Or a Panasonic G7 for practically almost free secondhand!
Or a Panasonic G85 for brand new at a cost similar to a secondhand GH4, and you'd get with the G85 an arguably better camera.11 hours ago, webrunner5 said:The GH5 is pretty much the latest and greatest thing out there for under 5 grand. You can make a living with one.
Oh I dunno.... depends on how you count / evaluate it.
Remember the Kinefinity Terra 4K goes for sub $5K as well! -
12 hours ago, mercer said:
Honestly, I don’t worry about crop factors any more. I have FF Raw with my 5D3. Everything else is just a crop.
But the BMCC EF makes it almost impossible to shoot ultra wide and fast.12 hours ago, mercer said:I’ve made a list of saved searches, on eBay, for everything I would need
I have literally HUNDREDS of saved eBay searches! :-o
But they pay off eventually, even if sometimes it takes literally a couple of years for that to happen, like when I finally found these headphones:
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https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/canon-manager-confirms-shifts-focus-slr-mirrorless-cameras/
http://www.canonrumors.com/the-state-of-the-canon-full-frame-mirrorless-development/
8 hours ago, mkabi said:@IronFilm Yes. that adapter is for Mirrorless, and you can't do an add-on with EF mount. But, I figure that they can figure out something... Dave Dugdale said that he would return to Canon if they replaced the mirror box in DSLRs with built-ND module.
It would be a good use of all that space to put an ND filter inside.
However.... even E mount (FS7/FS700/FS5/Venice), FZ mount (F3/F5/F55), and MFT mount (AF100/LS300) can fit ND filters within their mount. -
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Multiple Rear Mounts
As standard cine lenses, MAVO prime has PL mount, and also provides canon EF and SONY E rear mounts option for customers, since the first camera of many indie filmmakers are full frame canon 5D2 or SONY A7.Like TERRA and MAVO, MAVO Prime lenses have industry-standard mount, also have very high flexibility and versatility.
I wonder if these mounts will be swappable at all, and if they'll be swappable by the user in the field?Price for now is is US$11K for a set of five lenses:
http://www.kinefinity.com/shop/mavo_prime_lens/?lang=en
Also, Pro AV TV just put out this new video, they're the distributors for Kinefinity in the UK:
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13 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:
As far as I can see, the only advantage of a GH5 is 4k50p output and a rotating screen... Am I missing something?
Beyond the points early I made of dynamic range and low light, the GH5 also benefits from:
IBIS
Smaller form factor
Mirrorless mount
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1 hour ago, Cinegain said:
And also what has been mentioned earlier, the Atomos Ninja Star didn't even have a screen.
According to B&H it has been discontinued:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1285811-REG/atomos_atomnjs001_64_ninja_star_recorder_with.html -
BMPC4K = poor dynamic range, and very poor low light, poor ergonomics.
URSA Mini 4K (which goes secondhand for around the same price sometimes!) = all of the above, except not so much the last pointNeither interests me at all, not unless offered at a SCREAMING DEAL (say $1K?!).
Those first two deficiencies are just too big to overlook!
I'll take that Panasonic GH5S (or GH5) instead thanks. (heck, I'd probably even prefer the BMPCC over the BMPC4K!) -
Sony kinda has the same problem too (such as using the Sony 18-105mm f4 on the FS700 in 4K), but that hasn't stopped them!
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6 minutes ago, Cinegain said:
I appreciate what Videodevices did with the PIX-E5(H), but if you're looking at the price to get it up and running, it's not so funny anymore.
And sadly they don't have quite as many features as the competition, such as very importantly they don't handle any flavors of raw?!
But not to surprisingly they do handle sound better than most!7 minutes ago, Cinegain said:To me a 5" monitor makes more sense than a 7" one.
I wouldn't mind if a few more companies took a crack at 3.5" or 4" monitors as well! -
5 hours ago, Robin Billingham said:
Checked out your site.. Great stuff, got some nice gear too !
Thanks! I have a YouTube channel too: https://www.youtube.com/c/SoundSpeeding2 hours ago, Mokara said:The C100 was as affordable as a 5D2.
Only now its price has dropped.
The C100mk1 is indeed quite low, so too is the C100mk2 as it is near EOL, but once the C100mk3 hits it will be priced nearer to a FS5/EVA1 instead. And will be just as relatively unaffordable as the original C100 was back at launch (which was US$7,999 at launch!!! How on earth is that just as affordable as a 5D series camera????). -
8 hours ago, Robin Billingham said:
I should add my main income is audio work, although i have made a few music videos and a few other bits for money i wouldnt class myself a 'pro' by a long shot
What kind of audio work do you do?
As that is my line of work too:
http://ironfilm.co.nz/sound/8 hours ago, Robin Billingham said:I recognise i will be a minority but iv never used either a native lens or an auto focus one for either stills or video from when the gh1 first came along.
Nice, I also started out on the GH1 :-D9 hours ago, Mokara said:I think the problem with Canon is that the message they took home from the 5D2 experience is that users wanted smallish ILC video cameras, when in fact what they wanted was hybrids. And that is why they went down the wrong path and consequently opened the door for the likes of Panasonic and Sony to exploit, since those companies had a better understanding of where the consumer market was heading.
There were lessons to be learned from the 5D2 experience, but unfortunately it was not Canon that learned them.
I think the message from the 5Dmk2 is that people wanted affordable ILC video cameras, which the C300mk1 wasn't. Yet the GH3/GH4/etc & NEX5N/a7S/etc is!8 hours ago, Kisaha said:Then you say the C line is a huge mistake?! Do you even know how many are serviceable in the industry? C100 and C300 (especially the first) sold great.
Yup, the C300mk1 was the hottest camera of its era!
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On 4/2/2018 at 2:43 AM, mercer said:
I had the opportunity to buy another Micro right before Christmas for $450. The guy only used it once. I am kind of annoyed that I didn’t. I am very happy with my 5D3, but I wouldn’t mind some slow motion ProRes/Raw options for the toolbox, for various projects.
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1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:
MFT lenses to EF mount..
Impossible. (not without wildly unacceptable compromises)
The physics of the universe prevents it.2 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:And I will still stand by my statement the Panasonic probably looked at the LS3000 sales and said, why bother with a m4/3 mount on a EVA1. Looks like only 22 people are interested.
It didn't sell as well as other cameras because it is a JVC.... the brand name is why.
Any sales success which the JVC LS300 did have, would be thanks a lot to because it has a MFT mount on the LS300.On 2/25/2018 at 4:30 PM, Zak Forsman said:Also, we've been prepping for the release of our latest feature (I didn't direct this one) shot on two GH4s.
Looks niiiiice!
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On 2/25/2018 at 3:36 AM, kye said:
I studied the screenshots as I have created a similar setup, but what I couldn't see was where Kai's lav mic was going - it's not going into the GoPro or into the GH5, so I suspect it's an outboard recorder of some kind tucked in a pocket and synced manually. This makes sense as occasionally Kai will be a long distance from the camera but still audible.
Possibly a Tascam DR10L or similar. (or the Tascam DR10CS as they're in the UK!)On 2/25/2018 at 8:28 AM, webrunner5 said:I don't see why not if someone would make a m4/3 to EF adapter, Sort of the same thing the JVC LS300 is doing.
What do you mean? EF lenses to MFT mount already exist?
Or if you mean MFT lenses to to EF mount..... ??? Then that is completely impossible (not with completely unacceptable compromises, such as being limited to macro shots), and in no way relevant to the JVC LS300. -
3 hours ago, markr041 said:
But we only have 7"-screen recorders, which are absurdly large even for the bigger, but still portable cameras. On the EVA1, for example, the Shogun Inferno looks ridiculous, adding bulk and imbalance, as the attached photo shows.
Thankfully my F3 is a FHD camera and plenty of 5" recoders exist for FHD!
I'd happily even use a 3.5" FHD recorder with it, if the screen is good enough (sadly the Atomos Ninja 2 doesn't have SDI, and has a truly awful screen).
3 hours ago, markr041 said:Please, (anyone) give us a 5" recorder with the capabilities of the Shogun Inferno, or even better, a smaller recorder without any screen - the battery life will be better and overheating will be less of a problem. BlackMagic? Convergent Design? Atomos? Video Devices? Sony? C'mon.
Not sure if 5" means less overheating issues..... as a smaller size means less space for a heat sink and less surface area for heat dissipation. -
On 4/1/2018 at 10:36 PM, kye said:
Assuming the camera manufacturers allocate the bitrate in a sensible way, which they are pretty good at doing (ie, not 480p with 30-bit colour depth or 8K with 3-bit colour depth), then image quality will be roughly proportional to bitrate.
You're hiding in there the wild assumption that camera manufactures will all be equally sensible with the compression algorithms used.
Which isn't at all true!
You can go from one extreme such as Canon who are absolutely totally shit at it, all the way out to say Samsung who were very advanced for their time. (arguably too advanced to their detriment!)On 4/2/2018 at 2:27 AM, mercer said:The cheapest I’ve seen is $7-800. It’s pretty crazy that you can get a camera that shoots 2.5K Raw for around $500. I know the camera has its quirks but for smaller projects, that is a steal. And since I am slowly building my EF lenses, the EF version is exactly what I would want.
Oh dear god no :-o Please for all that is holy don't get the BMCC EF (not unless you see it for a total STEAL such as say three hundred)
Because remember the BMCC EF has the same sized sensor in it as the BMCC MFT, thus the BMCC EF has no way to deal with the rather small sensor like the BMCC MFT can (such as using lenses with image circles that more closely match the sensor size, or by using a focal reducer).
Personally I would just go for the BMPCC/Micro, as the BMCC in ProRes offers nothing extra over the BMPCC/Micro. -
8 hours ago, hilema said:
Until now I had a Nikon d5000 then a d7000. Two mid-range (one more than the other...) camera that served me well in my travels. I'm now back home and now don't take much pictures, shoot videos for Youtube and own an hexacopter.
I'm disappointed with the quality of the d7000 on video
Be aware that after the D7000 that Nikon could quite a decent sized leap forward with their video quality on their APS-C DSLR cameras (something which Canon has yet to really do).8 hours ago, hilema said:I'm now back home and now don't take much pictures, shoot videos for Youtube and own an hexacopter.
Which hexacopter, can it lift your D7000?8 hours ago, hilema said:All of this said it only misses the budget I have. I don't have an enormous budget but neither do I have an enormous expectation (no red 8k for me... :'( ...) I plan on selling my actual camera and lenses and add a bit on top of that which would equate to 900€ max.
At this price I look for used camera and 2 prime lenses a wide pancake for aerial video and probably a light zoom like a 20-50 but lenses are not the subject of my asking I'll find what I need for lenses I'm not too lost for this part but just keep in mind that on the 900€ some would have to be saved for lenses.
A secondhand Panasonic G7 would only cost a fraction of your budget, and leave heaps of money spare for lenses and other accessories.https://www.eoshd.com/2017/06/smartphone-hack-enables-extra-features-panasonic-cameras/
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On 2/24/2018 at 11:58 PM, anonim said:
Provided article revealed that Raw data output via 6G-SDI will be:
5.7K Raw up to 30p (S35)
4K Raw up to 60p (Four Thirds Crop)
2K Raw up to 240fps (Four Thirds Crop)
What's me in theory interest is: regarding 4/3 Crop, would be in theory possible to use m43 lenses and get raw files if EVA1 (or some of its variant) provide changeability also to m43 mount as solution?
All those 4/3" options are exactly why it was so very dumb of Panasonic to not release it in a locking MFT mount option, and even worse they keep on resisting any suggestion of doing this in the future. -
10 hours ago, mkabi said:
And, Canon will continue to ride that wave to whichever sucker that wants to go that route for however long they want to...
In my opinion, the cine line is a big mistake as is many of what Canon decided to do with their 5D2 success... instead of creating a separate line, they should have had upgrades and add-ons, they would have made a lot more money that way. How hard is it to make add-ons like:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1304877-REG/panasonic_dmw_xlr1_xlr_microphone_adapter.html
OR
https://www.slrlounge.com/nd-throttle-lens-adapters-nd-filters-built/
The variable ND adapter is only possible with a mirrorless mount.
And Canon has put most of their focus instead into EF mount cameras. -
On 4/1/2018 at 5:11 AM, mercer said:
Good find, I’ve never seen this one before but it may just be the best example of what the Pocket and Micro are capable of. If I saw that in a theatre and someone told me it was shot on an Alexa, I would find absolutely no reason to doubt them. The way the contrast was handled, is just gorgeous. Damn. I’ve been searching for a slow motion camera for a while... hmm... I wonder how hard it would be to match it with 5D3 ML Raw footage for slow motion insert shots?
Use the BMD Micro Cinema Camera for slow motion footage.
On 4/1/2018 at 7:48 AM, mercer said:I had the Micro and used a 5” monitor with it. The camera is basically the size of a Rubix Cube, so a 5” monitor is ridiculously big for such a tiny camera. They should have either included, or sold, a small monitor that could be powered by the camera or had WiFi so your phone could be used as a monitor.
Would a 3.5" monitor be small enough?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1265749-REG/ikan_vl35_3_5_4k_support.html
Or 2.8 inches?? :-oOn 4/1/2018 at 8:18 AM, BTM_Pix said:I've no idea what the sales have been like for the micro but I've always expected them to drop in price and they never have as I'd probably be very tempted at a lower price.
Yes, you get the feeling sales of the Micro was probably lower than for the Pocket. Thus you'd expect a sales pricing for it one day?
But then again perhaps BMD was predicting lower sales, and had production lower to match the demand.On 4/1/2018 at 9:52 AM, BTM_Pix said:It depends on the size of the power bank but we are measuring in hours rather than minutes.
I ran that test the other week with a 4000mAh one and got bored after two hours of powering one and it had run down one out of 4 bars on the indicator. They are literally credit card sized but a bit thicker so even carrying a spare isn't going to be a hardship.
Something like this one will work as is and even has the acrylic case which you could store the power bank in (in the space where the raspberry pi would have gone)
I think @Kisaha has just ordered this one or one near identical to it
The ones I'm sourcing are designed for VR headsets so they're OLED and better native resolution but the price is a fair bit higher.
I've got a 5.5 inch 2K 450Nit one just come in from China to evaluate from the same supplier so I'll see how that goes first.
With regard to the remote control, this is a readily available one that covers most functionality.
https://www.cinegearpro.co.uk/products/cgpro-bmmcc-bmmsc-focus-zoom-record-remote-controller
There is scope to do something like that integrated in a handle for example with a display as well and even an Android remote interface to it.
Basically, these things are all Arduino based boards that talk to the camera so there is no end of things you could attach to it in terms of thumbsticks and switches to have dedicated direct control of all the key functions. It all depends on what someone would want.
That one for £99 is not bad though.
Dammnnn.... that could be a nice set up! A little "mini FS7" on your shoulder, that is controlled from your right hand near the gripOn 4/1/2018 at 4:40 PM, mercer said:I read the comments and it looks like it may have been shot in ProRes. I would have guessed Raw.
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23 hours ago, mercer said:
@anonim yeah that looks fantastic... even at 720p... even on my phone. I’ve been saying for the past year that as soon as used prices for the BMCC hit the $600 mark or less, I will most likely buy one in the EF mount.
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14 hours ago, lucabutera said:
- in the private mail of the owner of the site arrives an email that promises again that will send evidence but that for 3 days without explaining why he can not respond to messages (no smartphone in the pocket of an experienced programmer?).
Maybe he is going away over Easter with his parents on a holiday to a remote part of the world?!
How Many Stops of Dynamic Range Needed for Cinematic Look?
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You can change your angles, and even locations. Heck, sometimes you might even have control over your timings too.
Exactly!