Emanuel

For nerds they are gems. This is a forum providing plenty space for nerdom.:) Put the mft Voigtlaender 17mm on the AF100 and it sings.

Yes.  30p and 60p completely ruin the viewing experience for me - like if someone peed in my drink.  It doesn't matter what else the drink had in it, I'm not drinking it with pee in it.
You're not convincing anyone to like what you like, we're not convincing you to like what we like. 
Time to stop posting.

This may be one of two downvotes I have ever done. I hate doing it but if you think that looks fine, then this discussion should just be closed because there is literally nothing more to discuss... or are you really just trolling?

But does it look better?

Just because something has been invented doesn't mean it can't be improved. Like the wheel. This is probably what it looked like right after it was invented. Can you imagine what today would be like if the wheel was never improved? We'd all be driving horse carts with wheels sliced from the cross-section of a tree trunk.
 

Yada, yada, yada - 24 fps looks great and that's why it's still 99.9999% of filmmakers choice even if they aren't technologically limited to use it. At the same time we are still limited to 50/60p, should higher frame rate is needed, but...
....look at this (the effect is especially noticeable when viewed full screen):

For comparison, same director.
Isn't it obvious? 
Here is Gemini Man in 24p if anyone would like to compare:
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Yet interestingly, Gemini Man was shot in 120p. Would really love to see for curiosity sake but it's not available anywhere in 120fps. Is there even a video player that can play 120fps in real time, available at all in 2023?

Henry Ford said on his T-model that any customer could have any color he/she wants so long as it's black... LOL ;- )

@zlfan with the due respect and pretty friendly... what else? ; )
Please let this community know WTH of shit you're smoking? : D
I'm saying this 'cause people respond to you and you insist on the same argument as before like going on circles... LOL
You obviously don't read the replies you ask, as a lot of others among us have expressed such concern about so particular world of your own, dude... : P

Never had an EP7 but it seems pretty nice. GX85 has the perfect form factor and usuability for me. Crop in 4K allows me to use some super fun C mount lenses, as it's between S16 and mft size sensor. Used ones go for around 250 Euro. Hard to beat quality vs price ratio. GX800 manual mode for 25p sounds indeed fiddly. I would have to try it out myself but then I would just rather take my GX85. 😊

I've also decided to opt out.  The problem with these engineering technical I read it on the internet types and have an opinion clowns is that they are demonstrably wrong.  
Even when you point it out to them they seem to ignore that and move onto their next tightly held narrow idea.  
They post opinions as fact and only demonstrate what they do not know or understand.  I've stopped bothering to point out their misinformation.  I think the rest of the posters here understand where they are off on their own.  
Even in the last two pages they've made some really stupid claims without understanding filmmaking fundamentals. They won't even know what I'm alluding to, but it shows that they have only a little understanding of the technology.  Just like one thought Titanic was shot HFR.  Why bother if they don't want to truly learn or understand.

Yes, @JulioD the most interesting thing I have learned from this discussion is that I am not the only person still shooting ML Raw.

Widely accepted?! Oh God, where are you coming from?
Are docs supposed to be "strictly journalism"??!
I love these forums but I can hate them with the same intensity too for that perversion of democracy when we can see posters to write about something like they are an authority on some field when they have no clue about it, as far as they can show from their entries...
I'm sorry but it is what it is : )
And if no one says anything, at a certain point becomes old school or science made when not mainstream! LOL ;- )
 
Nothing personal though, you look like a nice guy, just misinformed, that's it :- )

(When you watch documentaries... Right. I get your point but)
are you sure of the remainder part? ; )
I was there the first time I watched this piece, a year later, same screening room, with the filmmaker himself, talking to him (in English : D) through a physical human translator : P... perhaps *cough cough* the greatest name of the documentary cinema since Dziga Vertov:
https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/features/artavazd-pelechian-nature-seasons-poetic-montage
https://www.artforum.com/columns/artavazd-peleshian-193439/
https://www.sensesofcinema.com/2012/great-directors/artavazd-pelechian/
https://artreview.com/artavazd-pelechian-visionary-cinema-nature-seasons/
 
About his work and contribution, experts are used to produce content of more than 1-hour only to talk about his bigger than life "visions" of real ; )
 

Nice one!
Autofocus capabilities are increasing with every new generation of cameras. It’s getting faster and more accurate, and camera manufacturers are using AI to detect faces and eyes and to track motion. It’s come a long way since the earliest efforts back in the 1980s. What will it be like in a decade or two? Who knows, but it will be faster and more capable than what we have now, that’s for sure. Will Hollywood use it then? Probably not, but it is, and will increasingly be, helpful for people who don’t have a full crew of operators, 1st ACs, and 2nd ACs—in other words, about 90% of the users of video cameras.

Indeed. That’s why the political situation in this country is in the state it’s in now.

It's a subtle thing - shooting 24p won't make something instantly cinematic or larger than life.  The 'recipe' for making something look cinematic or larger than life (or any of the other dozens of ways to describe it) is that you need to do everything in a way to emphasise that experience.
Everything from the writing to the acting to the lighting to the framing to the production design to the editing to the colour grading to the sound design to the mastering to the way that the finished product is viewed.  They all matter, otherwise the studios would simply not pay for them.
The cinematic look is a feeling you create inside the viewer by making 1000 small decisions about every aspect of the whole process.

Are you sure?  I'm going to have to think about that for a couple of weeks and I'll get back to you then.

Do you know what else is outdated? Manual focus. It's so slow, man, it drives me nuts! This is 2023, not 1923! My iPhone can focus faster than any ALEXA, so what's up with that? Autofocus is true cinema and anyone telling you otherwise is just trying to keep their job as a focus puller or living in the past. Engineers are with me, let's go!
 

I guess everyone (if not, they should ; ) appreciate @kye's entries. And I still really think (not idle words) you're being unfair with the remaining ones who have contributed along this thread. No, I don't beg for a distinct input nor become upset for your remarks on your unpleasant impression on my own. The same way I find not productive at all coming here with this level of judgment on ones over the others. It's not nice and it's not the only one case readers can read it through these pages.
 
Japanese have a curious way to say thanks to an author than saying they've appreciated the work.
 
To be a filmmaker, good one included, doesn't mean to entitle whoever to be an authority on aesthetics.
The same to those who look like to gather camera technology expertise.
The same way a thread is not a campus :- )

A few points..
I have no idea how much is spent, but it's enough for them to shoot everything in 1000fps if they wanted to, but they don't The thread is literally titled "24p is outdated", so translating that to be "old" and "wrong" isn't too far a stretch The firestorm is likely a reaction to the increasing popularity of 30p and 60p video, which just looks awful to many of us...  perhaps a good parallel was if restaurants all over the world all started cooking every dish with Kale (or some other ingredient that many people hate) - lots of people who don't mind Kale would just say "eat somewhere else" but it would really be a bad outcome.  and then the Kale Lovers Association starts a thread on their cooking forums saying that everything except Kale is crap...   that is the response here. The thread didn't "degenerate" into a discussion about art, it actually elevated because creativity and art is the whole point of film-making, which is a point you seem completely impervious to hearing Yes, the goal of the industry is to make money, but in case you didn't notice, emotion is what drives sales.  Newspaper headlines, clickbait video titles, social media feuds, etc - these all generate the most sales and clicks because they stimulate the human emotional system.  You can think what you like about rationality and realism, but it's not how the vast majority of humans work.  A great movie is one where the reaction is "I laughed, I cried", not "I found it to be sensible and factual".  Movies make us feel to generate sales. To make money, movies make us feel.  To make us feel, movies have to be emotive.  To be emotive, they use all the tricks.. one of which, out of literally hundreds that are in use, is 24p.

Fcpx. I know it’s ram as the computer tells me I’m out of ram! It’s true that I mainly edit 4K and 6K 10bit Movs. I can’t run Chrome or anything else if I want to edit with no hiccups. I’m finding this to be very tedious. If you are doing serious editing I’d go for 32gb minimum 

I’d like to call a halt to buying gear but I’m seriously thinking about selling my Lumix S5 and getting an S5X to go with my S5Mk2. The user experience with the Mk2 is so much better than the Mk1. It would only mean spending 1000€. That and a Sigma 16-28 f2.8 and the Rode Wireless Pro. 
Oh, and sell my Macbook Pro 16” M1 Pro with 16gb ram as I made a big mistake there. 16gb ram is totally inadequate. I need 32gb at least. Expensive mistake.
So…fuck. That’s a lot of money😵‍💫

Many in France believe that too.

Random test between R5C and FX3 that just popped up in my feed: 
 

I have read the book you referenced and agree with the critics. Kaku is a physicist and doesn’t appear to know much about quantum computing based on what he says in this book.
Whenever someone makes a positive claim, such as the existence of the paranormal, or of gods, the burden of proof falls on them to provide objectively verifiable evidence for their claim. Lacking that, we have no reason to believe their assertion (because without evidence, that’s all it is—an assertion).
Carl Sagan said that “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. Some claims are mundane and don’t require much evidence, but others do. For example, if I told you I got a new pet dog, that wouldn’t require much, if any, evidence for you to believe me because dogs are common pets, and many people have one, perhaps including yourself. But if I told you that I got a new pet fire breathing dragon, you shouldn’t believe me without more evidence because fire breathing dragons are the stuff of myths and legends, not everyday reality. I would posit that the existence of the paranormal and of gods are extraordinary claims, and, hence, require extraordinary evidence.