Emanuel

Y’all have to ask for a paycheck, ’cause I’ll end up buying this one, it’s almost impossible not to... :- )

Y’all have to ask for a paycheck, ’cause I’ll end up buying this one, it’s almost impossible not to... :- )

I did a few more tests this morning. I wanted to check the 4K IQ, and I tried everything I could to induce moiré, but to no avail. I scrutinized the Red, Green, and Blue channels as well, and the results were impressive. I'm fairly certain it's due to the image processing because it blows away the already respectable 4K image from my Panasonic GX800.
And all of my tests were done with HyperSmooth on; it only gets better with it off.
I also tried my Konica 300mm f/4.5 on a tripod in 8K. I'm not sure there's much point in using 8K for distant landscapes, but for closer subjects, why not? I still think 4K looks just as good.
One thing this camera is not is a 1080p camera. IMO, they should let us use 10-bit in 1080p, but they don't. Also, when you switch to 1080p, it changes the color profile too. You have to go back and reset it when you resume shooting in 4K or 8K.
I think I'll just stay away from the 1080p modes unless I really need the 480fps and up.

If this camera lacks a mechanical shutter, the Metabones BMPCC 0.64X speed booster is an obvious choice (as long as it doesn't hit the sensor filter).
Also, the excellent Meike M4/3 cinema line that bottoms-out at 8mm is worth consideration.  Meike has still versions of these lenses, but they seem to be the same price as the cinema versions.
I only wish this camera had a way to sync strobes.

Very soft but cool none the less!

Well, for rigging it, maybe. The camera is just so small and the mount isn't supposed to have more than a 250g lens on it. Those Meike lenses are 540g at a minimum.
And just to clarify, I really don't see the ILS as a photo-first camera, unless you're taking 8k screen grabs. The interface sucks for the most part too with only 2 physical buttons and a tiny LCD (albeit decent). You don't even get a histogram out of the box- they need to fix that.

Here's what Mathieu Stern had to say about his experience:
 

Honestly i thought i was generalizing, i don't believe i was accusing you of piracy. Apologies to you, if you thought that. 
Well not a music concert but we just had kylie Minogue do the half time entertainment at the afl grand final. I would expect out of the 100 000 crowd probably 95000 filmed that section with their smart phones. I doubt any of them would be accredited, I would have too, if i'd been there... 🥰 Hopefully the emoji displays properly as i been having issues with those little suckers..
I presume there would be licencing agreements and financial arrangements between the afl and tv stations about video copyright. I suppose neither group like the idea of having potentially a 100 000 smart phones or a smaller amount of cameras at the event but there's probably not much that can be done about it within reason. I could certainly see them getting agitated at someone wandering in with a 600mm lens without prior arrangement and i don't have a problem with that. I suspect a 600mm lens comes under "professional use" rather normal use or casual use. 
Personally i can see three use cases, for cameras at events, maybe you can think of more.
1) I can show my friends and family without issue that i was there having a good time
2) I could take a ten second selfie of my ugly mug and a very small pixelated kylie strutting her stuff in the background for a vlog, again no real issues. 
3) I could conceivably somehow sneak a small monopod, a modern mirrorless camera with two forms of stabilization and a 10 times zoom and have at it, without paying a large chunk of money to either company and reproducing it on my social medium of choice.
How to make money out of it, i have no idea. Maybe its not about the money, it could be the likes i guess or even giving the finger to the establishment. What people do and why, continues to amaze me at times.
But i think we could both agree, due to intent, option 3 is wrong (probably on many levels)
Initially i read this and had no idea what you were alluding to. Blame linguistics. semantics, continental drift..  In hindsight i missed the emoji as it didn't display for me properly, i now suspect what you said was tongue in cheek, it seems i misunderstood your meaning and jumped to the wrong conclusion, which may have led to the piracy issue you raised, sorry about that.  
Any time there is money involved or to be made, people are going to get antsy if they think their missing out.
I suspect if you hosted an event free or otherwise and were the only person organised to cover that event and expected a financial return from publishing online and i rock up with my 8k gopro on a gimbal and wave it around and you find my video online for a small fee or even free later that evening, you'd be a little agitated, your not going to give me a medal.
 

Emanuel, I've been on many concerts 🙂 Mostly rock, pop groups and individual performers. 🙂
More or less concept is the same as Sony maybe Honor has a better implementation.
IMHO it will have low market demand. I am motioncam user and visit their community forum from time to time. How many members do you think this forum has ?
It recently crossed the 10K mark. More than half of the people who bought the application will run a few test clips and forget about it. Let's assume it has 10K active users or 3x this number. It is still a tiny number compared to the billions of smartphones sold per year. While the economics work for the application and team of 2 people I doubt it will work for the design and production of an add on module + related application and software that can be used only with specific smartphone model.  Smarthones are primarily communication devices, then cameras. It doesn't make sense to spend 2000 Euro for a smartphone only because of a particular camera module or add on. 1000 Euro for a phone with decent cameras + 1000 Euro for a better cameras with interchangeable lenses makes more sense. Again IMHO those add on camera / lenses, telephoto lenses, robot phones, they will not last long. We'll see. Let us know if you buy this particular smartphone / camera.

Nothing new under the sun. Sony tried this concept 13 years ago with Sony DSC-QX100 and Sony DSC-QX10. It didn't work / sell well. 
Maybe their implementation was not good, maybe smartphones were not fast enough or price was too high. I somehow doubt it will work now.  
99.9 percent of the people are quite happy with the cameras on their smartphones. Those who want something more are a tiny minority and they have plenty of other toys to play with. So again I doubt this will sell. Same as those telephoto 300mm,400mm  and more add on lenses. Who the heck needs those ? Bird shooters, sports shooters ? They are a tiny minority of a tiny minority and they will buy a mirrorless camera for those tasks. Smartphone manufacturers will soon realize they waist time and money. 
I am quite happy that we now have :
    1. RAW video and basically great video IQ from smartphones with 3rd party applications
    2. Finally one company broke the mold and produced a flagship smartphone with 35mm focal lenght main camera

…according to the smoke signals coming from the Dolomites.
It isn’t the successor to the S1H, but what remains to be seen…
Options:
A. A bit too soon for an S9II surely?
B. A photo-oriented version though maybe?
C. A new Sigma, next gen FP/L? With a faster sensor, tilt screen and IBIS, that would be ossum.
D. A Leica ‘Q3’ with interchangeable lens mount?
E. DJI enters the arena with a non gimbal, non flying camera?
Speculate below!

The tagline needs to be, “make a movie while looking like a tourist”.
From what I saw, the quality (in the right hands) is pretty insane.
My own iPhone 13 Pro is getting close to retirement and probably will be replaced in 2027…

The things that impress me most about this camera are the frame rates and processing. In addition, it’s so damn small and light. I purchased it, and it’ll be here tomorrow.
I’ve seen both super positive and super negative opinions about it, but it really does feel like a new category. I have a few assumptions about it, though: I think it will be a stellar performer when it comes to moiré and rolling shutter. It’s also going to be pricey to get wide, sharp lenses for it.
That’s why I plan on using it with my S9. I feel like they could complement each other well. I’ll definitely be playing around with it over the next few days.

GoPro ILS vs BMPCC OG...  not a completely scientific test, but lots of shots in different scenes, so a good real-world comparison.
 

If you're going to get an ARRI phone, why wouldn't you get one with a built-in gimbal?
 

Guess they figured the RED camera went over so well that they should make one themselves!  🤣

More here, there and also over there to include the new 200mm & 500mm teleconverters.
 
E. ;- )

For me, 6K is ideal - I don't lose detail when reframing and even with some denoising, a lot of the fine detail sticks around.  Really, for anything from 4K through 8K, it's fine for me.  4K just means I have to be more careful with my frame and 8K means using a bit more disk space (which I have plenty of for now, hope hard drive prices come down someday, though).
But yeah, the frame rates are fantastic.  They're one of the big reasons that Camera Conspiracies loves his M1P ILS so much.

I think we had some discussion about it!
I'm very pro-Mission 1 ILS.  I've bought a couple of Backbone-modded cams over the years (well, the first one I bought as a conversion kit for an existing previous-gen GoPro, which I promptly screwed up and then sent to them to help me fix nice guys!).  The thing that's kept me from using either one is that monitoring is bad on them.
The HDMI output on the older GoPro lags.  We're not talking 3 frames...  more like 1/4-1/2 second.  And the monitor output on the Insta360 One RS... isn't.  There's no wired display option for it and the wireless display to the phone is also laggy, even in an area with no wifi interference.  Neither was made for pulling focus.  And holding a wee little action camera right up to the eye to focus on its little screen (very little on the One RS) stinks - and tools to punch in, while available, are clearly an afterthought and are clunky.   So they're most usable for something where you focus once and then just roll - which doesn't fit a lot of my use cases for a smaller sensor.  Though they were great for the eclipse that came through the US a few years ago.
Anyway.  The M1P ILS seems to fix that problem.  The screen is as big as you'll find on an action camera.  Wired monitoring is possible and (from what I've seen) low-latency.  Dynamoc range is, by action camera standards, good.
The only reason I didn't buy one when I got the "in stock" notice from B&H was that... well, I just got a Pyxis 12K because the current sale is crazy.  That and it's GoPro - they'll be on sale for at least $100 off within a year.  That's how I got my M1P non-ILs.

I know we’re not supposed to talk about action cams, but this action cam is not! Why is no one talking about the Mission 1 Pro ILS? This thing looks so good. Have I bought into the YouTube shill hype? I just sold another camera and a couple of lenses to get it. Is anyone else going to pull the trigger on one?

Nice to see you and your family — I presume, enjoying it!
: ) 
 
The score fits the ticket perfectly! *thumbs upª
 
Other people’s good fortune I can live with ; )
it’s their misfortune I can’t : X

Good morning, everyone!
A short and super-relaxed video
from the final days of summer on the island of Thassos.
Featuring music from a bygone era—
a time many of us wish we could live in!
Enjoy a video that made with a7iv + Tamron 28-75 f2.8 and GoPro12 !
 

I wonder if it will ever get the 'Red-lite' raw codec 'everyone' wants...
If that ever happens, what a fucking camera it would be.

Interesting update on the FP front. A user has apparently developed a way to use the FP's internal gyro data to get post-production stabilization via the cam's SD card (vs needing to attach an additional piece of external hardware).
You can get more details here: https://discord.com/channels/1542149935523299378/1542153963837853807
And this is an FB group where the developer made the annoucement earlier this week, and is discussing it with other owners: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EPzkeRZny/?mibextid=wwXIfr
There is also a user (Vitaly Li) who literally just posted about a new mod they're developing that could give the FP 3000x2000 open gate:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1F1sixsTzz/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Personaly I've moved on from my dreams of owning an FP, but this is seems like pretty promising news for FP users. 

So I rented the Pyxis 6K this week to run some tests. We're building a new studio and I wanted to see if these would work for us in our workflow. 
My criterion for these studio cameras is the following:

- Somewhere in the $2000-3500 range
- SDI output
- Solid 4k image
- Clean image for fast workflow (no denoising in post)
- Good autofocus
- Simple workflow
 
Honestly after spending a few days with the Pyxis, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. It's a really simple camera body, and everything is laid out really well. It's smaller than I thought it would be, but built from a heavy duty metal, and kind of heavy overall, which I didn't mind. The 5" monitor is amazing. It's also built out of some kind of metal, but still thin and light. It powers and does video from a single locking USB-C cable. It's touch enabled, so the menus and autofocus can be controlled from there, and the image is really bright and easy to see in the sun. 
 
It's honestly just really nice to be able to put the camera on a tripod, plug in the locking and included AC adapter, plug in the monitor, and you're good to go. No janky adapters, dummy batteries etc. The image is really really good. It's very sharp, clean, and as much dynamic range as you could want. I was able to underexpose shots by a solid two stops to hold highlights out a window and the image looked really good after recovery in post. 
 
The autofocus kind of surprised me as well. It's DPAF, added somewhat recently in a firmware update from BM, so I wasn't expecting a lot. But it was really solid. Not a lot of control options, but when a head comes into frame it locks on and tracks really well. I feel like I can totally use this for talking heads with no worry about it losing focus. 
 
Overall the biggest downsides were the lack of internal ND filters, which is a real killer. For our studio workflow, this is totally fine. But it would be amazing if ND was included for if we want to use them for other projects. Also rolling shutter was pretty noticeable in 6K. Not a problem again for studio work, but could be an issue if used for other things. The other two downsides for me would be the lack of codecs and resolution options. There is no downsampling in camera. If you want to record in 4k or 1080P, the camera crops the sensor. Also you are limited to b-raw, there is no h.265 or h.264. Again, this isn't really an issue for us since the camera can still output a full sensor downsampled 4k signal from the SDI output, while being set to 6k internal. But for other workflows, I could picture this being an issue. 
 
I think there is a love hate relationship with this camera's simplicity. All the basic, core functions are there, and really easy to access, like resolution, frame rate, audio, LUT control, proxy recording, etc. But when it comes to anything more complex, this camera is kind of lacking. On one hand I really like this because it keeps things simple and uncluttered. It's really nice to pop in the menu for something and not have 10 million options to sort through. On the other hand if you're missing something important, this can be devastating. 
 
Overall This camera nailed what we're looking for in a studio camera, but I'd be hesitant to buy it for run and gun use. I think for run and gun the one and only reason I would buy a heavier cinema camera is for the internal NDs, so with the Pyxis lacking them, it wouldn't really make sense over something like an A7IV or an FX2 which would both be in the same price range.