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New SLR Magic prototype anamorphic lens footage surfaces

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SLR Magic anamorphic flare

SLR Magic are working on a 1.33x anamorphic adapter. Hong Kong based shooter Edwin Lee has tried it out. The lens is 'compact' and attaches to the front of your prime. SLR Magic say it works best currently with their 35mm F1.4 on Micro Four Thirds and the Canon EF 50mm F1.4 on full frame.

[url=http://www.eoshd.com/content/11105/new-slr-magic-prototype-anamorphic-lens-footage-surfaces]Read the full article here[/url]

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I don't want to be overly negative, but 1.3 stretch is pretty negligible, and the flare looks very cheesy to me. Maybe just personal taste but I don't like the images at all.

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Not a fan of these flares, they look very harsh.

Other than that it looks very nice, specially the bokeh.

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I think options for 1.5 as well as 1.3 would be nice.

 

I like the idea, and I have to say that so far I'm finding working with "projector" anamorphics to be tedious at best, so a better solution with better way of focusing and overall a more optimized way to mount the lens would be most welcome. Price, is also a factor of course since I don't think anyone wants to pay many thousands for these.

 

Mostly, I hope they actually come through with something, I feel that they've been talking about it for a long while now, and it would be nice if they actually bring something to production soon.

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The flare aesthetic will improve with the coating.  You can get oval bokeh with 1.33X adapters and the use of a +2 diopter.  What I'm interested in is what was the actual widest aperture used here.  Regardless of what the taking lens is capable of.   If it can't go wider than f/2.8  then it's not really an improvement on the Century Optics adapter, aside from possibly increased sharpness and reduced CA in the corners sans diopter.

 

So for this 35mm lens I'm keeping my fingers crossed that some of this was wider than f/4 which would make this adapter significantly better than a Century Optics.  

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The flares are distracting.  I too hope to see what the final coating will be.  And I wish there was a 2x wide option out there to get real oval bokeh.  It sucks to be stuck with 85mm on a 5DmkIII as the widest option (and still vignettes!).

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I look forward to seeing the finished product - about time we had a brand new anamorphic add-on. 

I mostly feel sad for him that he's a Toronto Blue Jays fan. 

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1.3 - 1.5x is perfect, no issues with that.  I find the 3.55 stretch to be pretty tedious and other 2x solutions are widely available.

 

Although the modern art horizontal flares have a unique look, I think I'd get tired of this, and would prefer a more conventional oval flare as well.  Perhaps selling an uncoated version may be a reasonable way to recoup development costs faster.

 

I've spent much time looking at complex and occasionally dubious anamorphic solutions on ebay lately, and am fairly interested in a reliable, simple focus solution that doesn't involve blow torches, duct tape, and modified plumbing parts.  

 

Hopefully this lens, or one like it, will make it to production soon.

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The short looked good, until flare was introduced.  That killed it for me.  Too unusual and distracting for my taste.

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The filmmaker commented that the video was shot @ f/2.8 which gives this adapter, even in its current form, a distinct advantage over the Century Optics style adapters, since they can't do the same thing on a 35mm lens without a diopter.  

 

This is looking like a nice upgrade for MFT anamorphic photography.  The earliest footage they released had a coating that produced a more pleasing flare so I'm not worried about that.

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As nlw said, there are a lot of adapters for a 2x anamorphic. I am not a fan of flares, but I like very much the start of this video and some shots are really "cinema" ready. 

When the focus is close resolution suffers, maybe too much. 

Of course it depends on the final price!

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I like really minimal flares like in Blade Runner.... BTW I really enjoyed that short.... cant all reviews/tests be like this...

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The bokeh definitively looks like the AGLA7200. (I miss the oval but we can get it with a diopter as previously said...) I'm not a hudge fan of the flare either. I find it too present, too sharp. Maybe something more subtle could be better.

But if this anamorphic attachement can focus close without a dipoter and shoot @ F2.8 I dig it ! Such a big improvement over my AGLA7200 ! How wide can it go ? 24mm ? 18mm ? What about their 12mm F1.6 ?!

And the serious question is : what about the price ?

 

PS: nice short/test film BTW ;)

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I agree on the flares. Would really prefer something more subtle.

Bokeh looks nice to me for 1.33x. So is this a single focus anamorphic?

 

If it works on 50mm fullframe, it should work on 25mm m43 I suppose?

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Its really great that somebody finally want to produce the anamorphing lens atachment for the rest of us, but depens on the final price how affordable it will be. It looks good, but I dislike that thin and fragmented look flare what I see here. Oval blue streaks would be lovely. As far as I remember there were only some interesting anamorphic prototypes from Brazil.

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This is really exciting news. Don't know much about flares but something less edgy would work for me.

 

Looking forward to this. And kudos to Edwin for a nice test.

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Coming from someone who has slowly gone off their Iscorama 36 over the last few months, I almost feel the anamorphic bubble may have burst already (at least for me).  Though this sample shows promise, I hoped for a bit better.  

 

I think one of the fundamental flaws in the design is the 1.33x.  though really good for using the whole of the sensor and delivering 2.35:1, added to this I think since it is a m4/3 lens i think this is also a critical error.  

 

I'd rather see an integrated lens designed for aps-c (or ideally full frame) with the sole intention to allow use of a speed booster on m4/3.  it would mean their selected taking lens could be a 50mm (which would equate to a similar fov as their current 35mm choice.).  the longer focal length combined with the speed booster will equate to a much more pronounced oval bokeh distortion and might help out the 1.33x to be more obvious.  

 

From looking at the video I also think the lens they were testing may not have had its curved elements properly aligned rotationally - the multitude of horizontals which are not all parallel would suggest this to me.  In particular in the first flare shot there is one short flare line which is particularly off from the rest.  Considering this, and the low light it appears they have created a rather good front mounted anamorphot.  Certainly a century and la7200 killer.  I imagine if the optics were tweeked this lens would be a lot sharper than we're seeing here.

 

I think people shouldnt be worried about doing the dreaded vertical crop to take a 2.66:1 down to 2.35.  Since the gh2 and gh3 and the m43 bmcc have very good resolution i dont think it is a problem to make the crop on the sides, and a 1.5x would help out the anamorphic look no end.  

 

A matching achromat would be good too - allowing those lovely portrait shots to be even more obviously anamorphic. 

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I definetively agree for the X1.5 argument. Surely a more "cinematic" anamorphic... But 1.33 will work anyways ;)

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1.33x on a 16:9 camera will result in a perfect 2.35 format, the standard for wide screen, which makes it the ideal anamorphic ratio these days.

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Rich, my experience is the opposite, the longer I've had my 36 the more I use it, total workhorse. 1.5x is a nice sweet spot, some bokeh without massive cropping on 16:9 sensors, on my gh2/gh3 I'm shooting as low as 25mm and up to 115mm, giving me a full range of shots  all with rack/single focus and clean optics. And with your mod I'm focusing down to 3.5 feet without diopters so I rarely need them.

 

The only lens in this bracket I can think of that compares/exceeds in terms of quality and versatility for real world narrative use is the centavision. (or a full range range of dso when they're ready)

 

sure 1.3 with 16:9 will result in a perfect 2.35, but so will just cropping your footage... whats the point of anamorphic if you are not getting the bokeh/burnt in stretch?  

 

Coming from someone who has slowly gone off their Iscorama 36 over the last few months, I almost feel the anamorphic bubble may have burst already (at least for me).  Though this sample shows promise, I hoped for a bit better.  

 

I think one of the fundamental flaws in the design is the 1.33x.  though really good for using the whole of the sensor and delivering 2.35:1, added to this I think since it is a m4/3 lens i think this is also a critical error.  

 

I'd rather see an integrated lens designed for aps-c (or ideally full frame) with the sole intention to allow use of a speed booster on m4/3.  it would mean their selected taking lens could be a 50mm (which would equate to a similar fov as their current 35mm choice.).  the longer focal length combined with the speed booster will equate to a much more pronounced oval bokeh distortion and might help out the 1.33x to be more obvious.  

 

From looking at the video I also think the lens they were testing may not have had its curved elements properly aligned rotationally - the multitude of horizontals which are not all parallel would suggest this to me.  In particular in the first flare shot there is one short flare line which is particularly off from the rest.  Considering this, and the low light it appears they have created a rather good front mounted anamorphot.  Certainly a century and la7200 killer.  I imagine if the optics were tweeked this lens would be a lot sharper than we're seeing here.

 

I think people shouldnt be worried about doing the dreaded vertical crop to take a 2.66:1 down to 2.35.  Since the gh2 and gh3 and the m43 bmcc have very good resolution i dont think it is a problem to make the crop on the sides, and a 1.5x would help out the anamorphic look no end.  

 

A matching achromat would be good too - allowing those lovely portrait shots to be even more obviously anamorphic. 

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1.33x is fine for me. 1.5x would be cool but I already have a sharp Kowa 2x solution, and the bokeh can be stretched further using diopters or something like a DSO-style modified lens. So for me, the ideal feature set for this product is:

 

-Single focus mechanics

-Nice blue oval flare: see Scott's Alien

-Works with fast lenses (f2/f2.8) at a 50mm equivalent focal length

-under 1200.00 USD. If I wanted to pay more I'd pony up for an Iscorama or Lomo squarefront.

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...

 

sure 1.3 with 16:9 will result in a perfect 2.35, but so will just cropping your footage... whats the point of anamorphic if you are not getting the bokeh/burnt in stretch?  

 

Oval bokeh with 1.33x adapter...

 

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...using a close-up diopter, like you would be having to use with most 2X cinema anamorphics for close focusing and to sharpen up the image not being stopped down.

 

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...more with a Century Optics 1.33x adapter and CU diopter.  The SLR Magic lens is already demonstrably sharper at faster apertures, meaning the potential for at least two stops more dramatic ovals.

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sure 1.3 with 16:9 will result in a perfect 2.35, but so will just cropping your footage... whats the point of anamorphic if you are not getting the bokeh/burnt in stretch?  

 

Using a 1.33x anamorphic adapter gives you increased resolution when compared to cropping the image, since you're using more lines, and the effect is still there. The louder it is the more you risk it becoming a distraction, it's a matter of taste really, but I'm not that keen on 3.5:1 aspect ratios on longer narrative work.

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Yes you can get oval bokeh with close up shots. this specific composition in the above examples has been re-created a million times, and these ones look really nice, but all the above have focus issues even in stills. Try getting your actors to stay in focus when in motion with dof this shallow. Not very practical for my tastes.

 

 

I agree it's a matter of taste. My preference would be for a 2x, single focus, no flares or super subtle.

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Rich, my experience is the opposite, the longer I've had my 36 the more I use it, total workhorse. 1.5x is a nice sweet spot, some bokeh without massive cropping on 16:9 sensors, on my gh2/gh3 I'm shooting as low as 25mm and up to 115mm, giving me a full range of shots  all with rack/single focus and clean optics. And with your mod I'm focusing down to 3.5 feet without diopters so I rarely need them.

 

The only lens in this bracket I can think of that compares/exceeds in terms of quality and versatility for real world narrative use is the centavision. (or a full range range of dso when they're ready)

 

sure 1.3 with 16:9 will result in a perfect 2.35, but so will just cropping your footage... whats the point of anamorphic if you are not getting the bokeh/burnt in stretch?  

I think my wording wasnt very clear.  I don;t see this lens as anything that will replace an iscorama.  My point was that anamorphic in general isn't as important to me as it was a year ago.  - since i started cheating with oval apertures.    I'm certainly in the camp of 1.5x for an anamorphic being used on a 16:9 sensor.  the aesthetic gain is worth the cropping of sensor information IMO.  But to be honest i'd just leave it at 2.66:1 since I think this is a best aspect ratio.

 

if a crop were to be applied to some gh2 footage it certainly wouldnt be a crime since the gh2 is incredibly detailed to start with.  the cutting away of sensor information isnt an issue.

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