Canon USA drops new teaser (FX30 competitor?)

[MrSMW]

Just now, eatstoomuchjam said:

Willing to bet that was a typo and should have said "EF mount."

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[ND64]

2 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Do you mean their cinema camera that has swappable mounts including DL mount, L mount, and M mount all coming first-party from DJI themselves? 

Nikon is currently supporting RF mount with RED cameras, it doesn't mean they will make a RF mount mirrorless camera. In every transition process, support for non native mount makes sense; but its only a transition. If the ultimate goal wasn't to fully committed to their own mount, they wouldn't make it at the first place.

There is also the Japanese side. Why you take their permission for granted? Why they should license their mount to a Chinese giant with billions of dollars of R&D? They can eat Panasonic for breakfast. 

[ND64]

2 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Do you mean their cinema camera that has swappable mounts including DL mount, L mount, and M mount all coming first-party from DJI themselves? 

Nikon is currently supporting RF mount with RED cameras, it doesn't mean they will make a RF mount mirrorless camera. In every transition process, support for non native mount makes sense; but its only a transition. If the ultimate goal wasn't to fully committed to their own mount, they wouldn't make it at the first place.

There is also the Japanese side. Why you take their permission for granted? Why they should license their mount to a Chinese giant with billions of dollars of R&D? They can eat Panasonic for breakfast. 

[ND64]

2 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Do you mean their cinema camera that has swappable mounts including DL mount, L mount, and M mount all coming first-party from DJI themselves? 

Nikon is currently supporting RF mount with RED cameras, it doesn't mean they will make a RF mount mirrorless camera. In every transition process, support for non native mount makes sense; but its only a transition. If the ultimate goal wasn't to fully committed to their own mount, they wouldn't make it at the first place.

There is also the Japanese side. Why you take their permission for granted? Why they should license their mount to a Chinese giant with billions of dollars of R&D? They can eat Panasonic for breakfast. 

[ND64]

3 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Do you mean their cinema camera that has swappable mounts including DL mount, L mount, and M mount all coming first-party from DJI themselves?

Nikon is currently supporting RF mount with RED cameras, it doesn't mean they will make a RF mount mirrorless camera. In every transition process, support for non native mount makes sense; but its only a transition. If the ultimate goal wasn't to fully committed to their own mount, they wouldn't make it at the first place.

There is also the Japanese side. Why you take their permission for granted? Why they should license their mount to a Chinese giant with billions of dollars of R&D? They can eat Panasonic for breakfast. 

[ND64]

Ooppsss... Sorry Andrew, please delete double posts.

[BTM_Pix]

11 minutes ago, ND64 said:

There is also the Japanese side. Why you take their permission for granted? Why they should license their mount to a Chinese giant with billions of dollars of R&D? They can eat Panasonic for breakfast. 

The L Mount Alliance is actually governed by Leica though.

Leica accepted DJI into the alliance over three years ago now.

Whether there is a covenant limiting DJI to only ever using it on the Zenmuse X9 is open to interpretation I suppose but I would be surprised if it’s limited to a single camera.

If there is a DJI mirrorless about to be launched then we will soon find out how much of a “full” member they are.

https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/press/dji-joins-l-mount-alliance

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 hour ago, ND64 said:

Nikon is currently supporting RF mount with RED cameras, it doesn't mean they will make a RF mount mirrorless camera. In every transition process, support for non native mount makes sense; but its only a transition. If the ultimate goal wasn't to fully committed to their own mount, they wouldn't make it at the first place.

Nikon wouldn't be supporting RF mount at all if they didn't buy a company already making cameras that used it.  And what was the first (or one of the first, I don't track it that much) things they did?  Release most of the same cameras again using their own mount.

DL mount was invented for drones (I think for the X7), a category where DJI has no competition at all and where they can get away with selling a mediocre 35mm f/2.8 lens for $1,200-1,400 (prices on the others are similar).  If DJI management are as dumb as you're implying and think that they can sell cameras that can only use those lenses, then they deserve the enormous failure they're about to suffer.  I suspect they aren't idiots, though.

The only reason that I have the 24/35/50 is that I got a really good used deal on the 24 and got a kit with the 16/35/50 from ebay for $2,200 and immediately sold the 16 for about $200 - and the only reason that I was willing to spend $1k/lens for the others is that I wanted aerodynamic lenses for when they're on a camera going around 100km/h.

If buying a camera for a standard mirrorless camera that I don't plan to hang off the side of my car at high speed, though, if you give me the choice of a mediocre 50mm f/2.8 for $1,199 or an excellent G Master 50mm f/1.4 for $1,298 (current B&H pricing), you've given me the simplest choice of all time.  I'd buy a Sony camera and the GM.  Most people would.  And I don't even like Sony that much (though I did shoot with them for 5+ years).

 

1 hour ago, ND64 said:

There is also the Japanese side. Why you take their permission for granted? Why they should license their mount to a Chinese giant with billions of dollars of R&D? They can eat Panasonic for breakfast. 

As BTM_Pix already pointed out, DJI have been part of the L mount alliance for a while now and as I already pointed out, DJI already make and sell an L mount for the Ronin 4D.

My hope would be, if they release a very small mirrorless camera (and if I want that camera) is that it would just accept the lens mounts for Ronin 4D since I already have them in DL, M, and EF mount (and I'm not opposed to also getting one in L mount)

[Davide DB]

In the Alps, for clickbaiting purposes,  they are still pushing the idea that it is an l-mount camera.

ATM the most credible option is that it's just the S1R 🤣

That youtuber has also an S1R and he was trying the Blazar lens with ND filter on it.

So the blurred camera (that he confirmed it will revealed next week) could be anything 

[Danyyyel]

21 hours ago, ntblowz said:

If new DJI camera can wireless link to their mics it insta buy from me, especially if it can link up to 4 of them haha.

Hopefully it can shake up the camera industry long dominated by Japan... like how Samsung was back then.

I am no Chinese hater, but I prefer China hegemony stop their. They already dominate in some tech like drone and you can't have anything that is, sorry to say, in one way the worst junk you can have, and it is product obsolescence. DJI completely bought the American (I am not American) influencer people to chant their laurels, while consumers like me can't find a battery two years, because most of what I bought was swelling, after having invested 1500-2500 USD. Or even some propellers, when my 10 year old battery in my Nikon camera is still working. 

[Danyyyel]

13 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Yes please, but history says that most attempts in this industry just flop and the big boys just plod on with their glacial development…

I was thinking yesterday how the S1RII could have been better for my needs and the only thing I came up with was a body design a la FX3 with a flat top so there could be twin hotshoe mounts, or rather one hotshoe for mic and one cold shoe for a small light, ie, no need to have to make a choice or add a cage.

Internal VND (without sacrificing IBIS) would also be the obvious one, but beyond that, there isn’t anything else for me that I can think of.

I suspect both the new Canon and Nikon  will be good, but not groundbreaking in anyway, but FX3 style versions of the R6III and the Z6III respectively.

DJI has access to Hasselblad colour science, at least as a marketing thing and lidar AF and doesn’t come from the conservative mold of the more traditional Japanese brands, so could be interesting.

Lumix’s next FF cam is surely the S1H and can’t see it being that tiny thing in that pic which if Lumix, is more likely a tiny 4/3 cinema camera based on size and the ‘fact’ that they are unlikely to plop out an APSC camera at this time?

Or it’s some other brand such as Black Magic because they have M4/3 roots and now use L Mount so a return to a modern version of their OG pocket camera?

Then in 3 years, your battery are not working, or your lens is not working because they didn't update their software. I have my beef with Japanese companies, but at least in my case, the product I was buying was not completely obsolete after 3 years.

[MrSMW]

Anyone seen my tin foil hat?

I’m sure I left it around here somewhere…

[ND64]

3 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

If DJI management are as dumb as you're implying and think that they can sell cameras that can only use those lenses, then they deserve the enormous failure they're about to suffer.  I suspect they aren't idiots, though.

They have enough money to outsource lens making to a domestic company like Viltrox.

I didn't say they would release a camera with DL mount. I think they're not interested to enter this market at all. The entire ILC market is 6 million units per year, and L mount is a small part of that small market. But if, for whatever reason, they want to enter this market, they should stick with their own mount. Otherwise that would send this message that they don't believe in their own system. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

50 minutes ago, ND64 said:

Otherwise that would send this message that they don't believe in their own system. 

No, it would send the message that the lens mount that they invented for drones in 2017 is not suitable for a general-purpose MILC.  And again, to release a new camera with 6 overpriced and mediocre first-party lenses available for it would be fucking stupid and almost nobody would buy it.  They'd anger almost none of the existing customers who own those lenses which, again, includes me, a person who would never buy them for any system that I didn't expect to be hurtling through air at 60mph/100km/h.

It's not at all clear what would be gained by swapping some mounts and rebranding Viltrox lenses as first-party lenses, especially if those lenses are already available for other existing mirrorless systems.

The smart play if they want to have a fixed mount is L mount, a system which comes with great lenses already available from first-party makers like Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma - and a bunch of third-party lenses from all of the usual suspects and which they already support and sell.

Other than "sends a message that they don't believe in your system," you have yet to present any sort of even remotely coherent argument for how DL mount would make any sense - or how not including DL mount would impact the sales of the drones or Ronin 4D which are the only cameras in existence that can currently use it.

 

58 minutes ago, ND64 said:

didn't say they would release a camera with DL mount. I think they're not interested to enter this market at all.

As to their interest in entering the market, it's not impossible to think that the success of the Ronin 4D and Pocket 3 have them considering adding something in-between the two.  A few years ago, you might also have insisted that DJI would have no interest in entering the action camera market and competing with GoPro - but now they're 3 generations into that.  Or just a few months ago, you might have insisted that they'd have no interest in competing with Insta360 with 360 capture, but yet, they did that too.

They also wouldn't be "entering" the market.  They are in the MILC market with the Hasselblad brand which they own.  And yet, they also probably won't use the Hasselblad mount and that also won't send a message that they "don't believe in their own system."

[KnightsFan]

2 hours ago, ND64 said:

But if, for whatever reason, they want to enter this market, they should stick with their own mount. Otherwise that would send this message that they don't believe in their own system. 

If DJI enter the MILC market, I assume they will start at the consumer end rather than professional. There probably isn't a ton of overlap between consumer camera buyers, and pilots serious enough to own a drone with interchangeable lenses. My gut instinct is that basically none of their initial target market already own DL lenses.

I also believe the consumer market has a short memory for system support. Canon dropped the EF-M mount one day, and within 1-2 years no one cared anymore. My gut is that an L mount camera will sell better. Either way, breaking into this market is difficult.