Fav AI outcome out there...

[eatstoomuchjam]

The smug "it's just another tool" takes are, without a doubt, the most offensively stupid ones.

Yes, ignore the huge amount of societal harm that is inflicted by a tool that lets any jackass instantly create a nearly perfect deepfake of any other person on the planet, right down to their voice and manner of speaking, and it is indeed "just a tool."  While we're at it, let's just give the average person access to thermonuclear bombs which are, of course, "basically just another weapon" and "only bad if someone blows them up ."

[Emanuel]

That’s a category error: the tool isn’t the harm, misuse is.

You can’t break it. Go full Quijote aka Quixote (who is who? LOL Never mind X )

 

Much of this sounds like corporate self-preservation dressed up as principle.

History has a name for that drift: corporatism. Well, something Europe flirted with in the 1930s ; ) It didn’t end well; Portugal even wore the label officially.

We’ve seen where it leads.

 

Who we claim to be is irrelevant; what we do is what makes us. We aren’t what we say we are. We’re defined by what our hands actually show. Or reveal. Identity is cheap. Deeds are the proof.

 

Fear’s a bitch.

 

- EAG

[eatstoomuchjam]

12 hours ago, Emanuel said:

That’s a category error: the tool isn’t the harm, misuse is.

Again, this is an intensely wrong justification.  And there's not a single tool that was ever invented that some person didn't immediately start misusing.  It only took from July to August for my own country to go from demonstrating nuclear fission to dropping a fission bomb on a city full of civilians.

The perceived benefit of "now people don't have to pay artists to do work" is not really a benefit at all and the massive harm caused of "society can't function at all without a shared view of objective reality" is much, much worse.  That's before we even mention the other harms being done in the forum of pollution, water use, higher energy bills, and higher costs for many products due to datacenters gobbling up all available storage and RAM.

So again, it's not "just another tool" so much as it's an "existential crisis for humanity."

[Andrew - EOSHD]

56 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

It only took from July to August for my own country to go from demonstrating nuclear fission to dropping a fission bomb on a city full of civilians.

I thought there was some breaking news for a moment then!

[eatstoomuchjam]

4 hours ago, Andrew - EOSHD said:

I thought there was some breaking news for a moment then!

There was!  Huge headlines back on August 6, 1945!

[Emanuel]

13 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Again, this is an intensely wrong justification.  

Yes, it is.

In a single word:

context.

:- )

[Emanuel]

 

[fuzzynormal]

12 hours ago, Emanuel said:

 

Well, there's one hell of a metaphor in the "context" of this.

[Emanuel]

 

[kaylee]

 

[kaylee]

On 3/27/2026 at 10:29 PM, Emanuel said:

 

ok lol sorry, I'll ask... HOW was this made? like what ai models, workflow, etc. 

[Emanuel]

On 4/1/2026 at 2:03 AM, kaylee said:

ok lol sorry, I'll ask... HOW was this made? like what ai models, workflow, etc. 

Just follow the instruction manual.

: D 

[Emanuel]

On 4/1/2026 at 2:03 AM, kaylee said:

ok lol sorry, I'll ask... HOW was this made? like what ai models, workflow, etc. 

Here you have straight from Mr. Vogel, Mike Vogel, Milady:

 

Love this one BTW...

Addressed to all naysayers : X

[fuzzynormal]

Let's keep the debate goin'

...Can't wait for the next great prompt artist to really bring their vision to the screen.  No one prompts as well as that Vogel dude.  That guy prompts.  Why try to create a golden hour scene when you can just ask for it?  Nothing says artistic cinema like a computer deriving and stealing other's hard work.

:-|

Should we go to an art museum to look at some lesser talent's paint-by-numbers?  The creation matters.  Now let's do motion pictures.  Cinema has always been craft as well as the art.  Minimize the craft, minimize the art.

[Emanuel]

LOL You're right, Matt : ) But his art goes beyond that anyway, as much as AI can.

Without mentioning that cinema is also a written form, since writing is art too. (People of the image have always made the terrible mistake of minimizing it... BTW I’m here 'cause of Andrew’s writing style as well JFYI)

With this technology, you can transform your pictures/shooting. So, craft stands. [No less for creation]

Of course, with its pros and cons.

A bit like 'A Gift for All Ages' film. Without all the earlier art made by Capra, for instance, it would have been something else, or perhaps it would not even have existed.

:- )

[fuzzynormal]

3 hours ago, Emanuel said:

I’m here 'cause of Andrew’s writing style

Same.  

As for the machines, an AI generating things just won't ever be legitimate craft to me, regardless of perceived value by those that end up engaging with it.  This doesn't mean it can't be employed to make art.  There's a ton of nuance and philosophy as to why there's a line here, at least in my mind.  That is my hill to die on.  I fully expect I will be in a shrinking minority in this regard.

As for "A Gift For All Ages," here's a relevant anecdote:  I thought about replacing the puppet with an AI generated cartoon.  It's something like 6 shots.  Pretty easy.  To a layperson this would certainly elevate the perceived craft of the final film.  They'd be, like, "A composite cartoon is in this goofy movie!??  Neat!"  AI generated, or not, wouldn't enter into their consideration as long as it looked good.

Doing AI for this wouldn't sit right with me, however, as it wouldn't be a human creating the images.  Now, this cartoon idea absolutely would be derivative -- as it would be an homage to the classic MGM stuff Hanna Barbara did in "Anchors Away."  So, a wholly unoriginal concept.  But, for me, the respect I have for that craft just won't let me take the easy AI route.  If I ever do replace the puppet with a cartoon it will be me learning how to mimic the look using Blender or hiring a true 2D animator to do it.  That's a philosophical choice.  Because ain't no one, really, outside of me, that would ultimately care.  Or, hell, would probably even see the film, if I'm being honest.

But I just can't do it.  Can't use AI.  Humans are inherently attracted to quality.  And that quality needs to be a human creation to matter to me.