Samsung NX1's Smart Range+ and 0-255 luma

[Andrew Reid 8,002]

When the NX1 came out Philip Bloom bought it but didn't use it very much as he said the dynamic range was limited.

I thought it was a bit limited too, turns out we were both wrong...

Here is the effect of Fast Colour Corrector in Premiere changing output levels to 16-235 for NX1 clips recorded in 0-255 RGB range mode.

Original file - blown out clouds...

And here is an additional 1-2 stops in the highlights from enabling Smart Range + in-camera -

I'd put this camera right up there for image quality now... Right near the top of the pile.

Both sample images shot with the superb NXL adapter by the way with Canon 50mm F1.2L full frame FOV and DOF. Thanks Luca

[PannySVHS 695]

 

 

Ah, shot 3. Will you revise the camera? This filmmaker has really put other cameras to shame with his NX1 and a lot of NX1 shooters even more.

It was shot with the native premium zoom, which NX1 lovers seem to cherish a lot:

 

 

[cojocaru27 105]

@Andrew can you elaborate more on the settings you've been using? Why not set in in the camera 16-235 in the first place? thx

[Marco Tecno 506]

Andrew, you advised to use 16-235 in your profile for nx1...

 

Could you please let us know which settings work best?

 

Thanks.

[Andrew Reid 8,002]

16-235 in-camera stops the clipping so you should use that option like in my guide if you want to maximise dynamic range without having to fix the clipping problem in post.

If you're going to fix it in post using 0-255 in-camera is ok.

Smart Range + is a new thing, I saw the effect it had on JPEGs and realised it could be enabled in movie mode as well... I assumed before that it was some kind of Samsung TV thing!!

[Marco Tecno 506]

Very interesting. This topic should probably be moved into the nx subforum to get more attention by nx users.

[jonpais 3,123]

18 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

 

 

Ah, shot 3. Will you revise the camera? This filmmaker has really put other cameras to shame with his NX1 and a lot of NX1 shooters even more.

It was shot with the native premium zoom, which NX1 lovers seem to cherish a lot:

 

 

Beautiful skin tones, nice lighting, pleasing shallow depth of field, good performance - and if that's AF, it's awesome that it doesn't hunt back and forth once it locks on. Still wish I could find one of these in Vietnam.

[PannySVHS 695]

59 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Beautiful skin tones, nice lighting, pleasing shallow depth of field, good performance - and if that's AF, it's awesome that it doesn't hunt back and forth once it locks on. Still wish I could find one of these in Vietnam.

 

Absolutely! Would be nice, if Andrew would have a chance to revise this camera. It has an awesome, unique look. How awesome would it be

to see a comparison with your Fuji XT2!:)  G85 cannot compete in the ooc color department.

[Beritar 24]

0-255 on the NX1 is odd with Premiere, even if we change the output to 16-235, the highlights stay a bit burned. However, using the brightness and contrast filter with contrast -14 helps.

[MKSN 10]

Every NX should test Ricardo Sousa's setting, they are the best for most scenes imo. Should test these with 0-255 setting.

Gamma norm | Master Black level 7 | Luminance 16-235 | Smart Range + ON | Saturation -4 | Contrast -4 | Sharpness - 10

Lut's are awesome too! https://sellfy.com/p/HNAk/

[PannySVHS 695]

 

@MKSN, Thanks to your post I found Hene1´s settings in the NX1 section. Straight forward: "Normal Gamma, 0-255, Standard picture mode (0.95x green, -10 sharpness)"

 

 

[PannySVHS 695]

 

@Hene1, your video looks awesome, exellent color work! Is all the footage done with the NX1?

 

 

[jonpais 3,123]

4 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

 

@MKSN, Thanks to your post I found Hene1´s settings in the NX1 section. Straight forward: "Normal Gamma, 0-255, Standard picture mode (0.95x green, -10 sharpness)"

 

 

Beautiful color, bokeh.

[PannySVHS 695]

 

Color is astonishing in these samples. Video has some awesome color too.

[deezid 427]

Really interesting, sounds worth a try. Maybe with some diffusion in front of the lens to lower the heavy internal sharpening.

[Marco Tecno 506]

It's not artificial sharpening. It's the sensor which is incredible.

[deezid 427]

4 hours ago, Marco Tecno said:

It's not artificial sharpening. It's the sensor which is incredible.

Even at -10 it's way too oversharpened. RED Helium looks 10 times better with even higher resolution 4k thanks to no sharpening.

Here are some examples 
https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Erste-Schaerfe-Charts-der-Samsung-NX1---Starker-4K-Konkurrent---Aus-dem-Messlabor.html#Aus_d (german)

Basically, with a strong diffusion filter or softer lens, the NX1 does wonderful UHD, since the oversharpening algorithm doesn't know what to do.

[pintowar 3]

On 4/8/2017 at 11:53 PM, Andrew Reid said:

16-235 in-camera stops the clipping so you should use that option like in my guide if you want to maximise dynamic range without having to fix the clipping problem in post.

If you're going to fix it in post using 0-255 in-camera is ok.

Smart Range + is a new thing, I saw the effect it had on JPEGs and realised it could be enabled in movie mode as well... I assumed before that it was some kind of Samsung TV thing!!

Do you recommend always activate the Smart Range + ??
In all the recordings?

[deezid 427]

5 hours ago, pintowar said:

Do you recommend always activate the Smart Range + ??
In all the recordings?

Want to know as well
Really consider it for a shoot now (with lots of diffusion though, lol)

[tugela 1]

On ‎8‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 8:12 PM, deezid said:

Even at -10 it's way too oversharpened. RED Helium looks 10 times better with even higher resolution 4k thanks to no sharpening.

Here are some examples 
https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Erste-Schaerfe-Charts-der-Samsung-NX1---Starker-4K-Konkurrent---Aus-dem-Messlabor.html#Aus_d (german)

Basically, with a strong diffusion filter or softer lens, the NX1 does wonderful UHD, since the oversharpening algorithm doesn't know what to do.

It is not oversharpened. It has higher resolution than most other 4K cameras due to the oversampled sensor.

People call it "oversharpened" because they are conditioned by cameras with poor resolution into thinking that is what it is supposed to look like, but actually those cameras just have poor resolution.