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7 hours ago, mechanicalEYE said:

 

Mostly boring static camera shots with a few shots with very limited movement.  Nothing to show off the RS alas.  

Colours are nice, but I didn't like the grade in places.

1 hour ago, Leica50mm said:

  Every camera reviewer  has been saying the last eight years is that canon has to change, they can't go on being so conservative with their specs.   And finally they do it and everyone turns on them . Y'all just got what you wanted right? 

 

Not really.   I never asked for 8K... or even 120fps 4K.. maybe some did, I didn't.  In fact, what I was hoping for was a Canon version of the S1H camera with their own colour science and AF.  

Still waiting.... 

3 minutes ago, TheBoogieKnight said:

If it's really the case that there's inadequate heatsinks and poor/no/badly-applied thermal compound, then why didn't they just sort that out? Can't believe they'd do a deliberate crippling like that.

You can't believe Canon would cripple their cameras when it comes to video functions.... On the contrary, they are where they are today because of it.

If this is true and Canon finds a way to fix or minimise the problem, then good news for us definitely.  Not good news for Canon as it will add to their costs and will deliver a whacking big blow to their status in the camera industry. 

Plus will give plenty of fuel to the Sony users in their feud with Canon users. 🤣🤣

18 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

Further, the existence of that stupid Tilta cooling monstrosity tells us that Tilta at least knew about the overheating and designed a product for it. And they did it before the camera was even released! How long does it usually take to design something like that. 3 months minimum from conception to design to prototype to finalizing parts manufacturing. Probably longer. Something smells.

They were very quick of the mark with a custom built fan, so definitely they knew.  Question is how?  Did Canon give them the heads up?  I can't see how else they would know and have one designed for the R5 body..  Maybe Canon saw this has something to pacify the video shooters when it became clear how bad the issue was.  All feels a bit dodgy to me.  

If Canon do recall the R5 and R6, the forums are going to go crazy.  We'll be seeing Hitler and laughing Spanish guy videos every day. 

2 minutes ago, noone said:

I said yesterday that drilling a few holes in the R5 might help

That made me chuckle... I assume you're kidding; clearly the idea of drilling holes in a £4k camera just on the off chance it may help, would be an act of desperation crossed with madness.

DpReview has become a battleground for Sony and Canon users..  There are extremists on both sides.  I feel Canon users are quicker to see that overheating is a potential problem with the A7s III after one video, whereas even articles by Andrew and a few early test videos failed to fully convince some here that the R5 and R6 had a problem there.  Only after Canon acknowledging the issue and numerous other reports did finally the proverbial nail drop for some supporters.

It will be intesting to see when these cameras become available to users whether all these arguments are actually justified.  The Sony A7sIII appears the early winner for reliability, which is a shame as I don't have much time for Sony cameras and the Colour, IBIS and AF is a lot better on Canon.  Another reason to hate 2020.  

9 minutes ago, cam1982 said:

A few comments look like people don't like to accessorize their rigs. Funny to say the least.

I happily rig my Pocket cameras....  they're used mostly on monopods and tripods anyway.

I'd be interested to see how handheld work with the R5 is restricted by the Tilta accessories; many will want to use it for Photo and Video at the sametime.  Or even how effective the cooling is to handle the overheating issue.  Its all speculation at this point.

The fact that these cameras need a third party cooler to perform reliably only proves their design is limited in the first place.  People complained about rigging up a Pocket 4k to make it work, and yet this camera is considerably cheaper than these models and the lack of IBIS and flip screen meant it was never a run n gun camera in the first place.  How will rigging up the A7s or R5 affect handheld use?

It'll be intereting to see if this tilta cooler does make a significant difference to overheating.  Though to be honest, I feel we still don't know enough about the actual extent of the overheating issues in either Canon or Sony, and won't until users buy and work with them in real World cases as opposed to vloggers (biased or otherwise) testing them.  

I was hoping to pick up the R6 one day to replace my GH5, but Canon's whole release has felt like a fiasco.  Sony A7s iii seems nice on paper, but the fact that its photos have less resolution than stills from a Pocket 6K undermines my requirements for a hybrid camera in the first place.  

23 minutes ago, jgharding said:

So I know they were saying "FX9 colour, everything is fine now" but I watched this official video and her skin is doing the "Sony thing", jumping from yellow, to magenta, to magenta blotches in low light.

I guess I'll have to try one out and see how it is IRL, but this doesn't fill me with confidence...

 

Different lighting, different grading.... hard to tell if its the camera, the white balance choices or the grade choice...  

On a side note, I like the videos from the Sony A7s more than from the Canon.  Not on an image point of view, more just for checking video themselves.  I felt with Canon, all I saw were vloggings talking with some footage thrown in.  I saw one video on a beach that looked great,  and DpReview did one with the R6, but compared to videos linked here, its all talk talk talk I've seen with Canon videos.  

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, or maybe no one has been able to keep the Canon cameras on long enough to make a decent video out of the footage.

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

I suspect that in the entire history of cameras, there has never been as much hype, followed by pre-orders, followed by hysteria, followed by cancelled pre-orders...before a camera has actually gone on sale to the public as there has been with these two firebrands 😂

What with Blackmagic giving us 12K, Canon 8K and Sony 10bit 4K finally, plus they're offering 120fps 4K as well; these are crazy times...  So many new cameras with crazy specs to tempt us... 

And yet thanks to Covid, I'm so broke, I can't even buy a Panasonic G100 if I wanted to.  (Which I don't).  This year has been weird and crazy... 

Who'd have thought we'd be talking now about Canon cameras overheating and Sony being the more reliable camera for filming...  

Neither the R5, R6 or A7s seem to have really knocked the S1H from being a top hybrid camera for primary video shooters.  Yes, 60p is cropped on the S1H, but uncroppped 60p 4K seems to have some overheating issues also with the A7s.  Though the key thing to known will be recovery time.  Canon seems quite severe by all account. 

I look forward to hearing real World use rather than tests done by vloggers.  Its a shame Panasonic haven't mastered AF.  I feel we are all still waiting for that perfect hybrid camera that can balance reliability with functionality.

18 minutes ago, wondo said:

b: from looking at the whole thing it does not seem like canon is trying to keep the issue under wraps, they gave pretty honest info about it, so where`s the scandal? of course they aimed for the middle ground like any other company would do.

I'm reminded of a quote from Yes Minister where Sir Humphrey states, you should always tell the truth when people can find out for themselves.

There was no mention of the overheating in the pre-publicity.   Only when the cameras were out for review, were they required to come clean.  

Whilst they have given figures, it remains to be seen how applicable they are to real World use.  

12 minutes ago, wondo said:

canon took a big gamble to have 8k on the box just in time before the olympics. well, the olympics are called off and canon has to deal with quite a mess.

So it's all the fault of the Olympics being called off that Canon is in this mess. 🤣🤣  If only they had gone ahead as planned, the R5 would be a glorious success and they'd have been used to film the whole event in 8K RAW.  Assuming of course, each event lasts less than 20 mins and there's a significant gap between say the long jump and the short distant runner events to allow the camera to cool down.  

Did the organisers of the olympics allow in their design for rows of fridges to line the stadium wall to ensure the R5s have somewhere to go and cool down when not used. 🤣🤣

20 minutes ago, wolf33d said:

 No camera this size and price in the world today shoots 4K120P full frame 10 bit 422. It’s unheard off.

Actually, a camera this size and price, shooting 4K 120fps fullframe 10 bit 422 continously without overheating is unheard of.  Probably because it is impossible without making it slightly bigger and incorporating a fan.  

I'm sure the R5s unique features will be matched by competitors eventually, maybe as soon as next year; and will probably be more reliable and useful as well.  Theres always a price for early adopters.  

What's the point of innovation if many of us can't use it practically?

Canon is apparently DOA already and we haven't even seen rolling shutter tests. 😁

I agree, we should wait and see the results when the final camera is released.  We need more than a few reviews before final judgement can be passed.  If its as bad as suggested, I am trying to see how anyone would seek to buy these cameras for Professional use. 

The 8K and 120fps had created a lot of hype, which has built up since these cameras were announced at the start of the year.  I guess what we are seeing is the down after the high hopes people had.  Once the hype and over reactions fade, it'll be interesting to see where the final views of this camera lie. 

How many will buy it and what their experiences with it will be like.  I am sure the 8K RAW and 120fps in a Canon body will be too big a lure for many and they will struggle through the problems and produce some great content if they have the talent.  Sony endured many jibes over their overheating, often from Canon users.  Now the shoe will be on the other foot.

5 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I saw those movies. What’s your point?

They advertise comic books movies everywhere. There has been so many in the last three years it’s nauseating. Some are good. Most are more loosely woven together than Tom & Jerry cartoons.

Popular movies will always get more money and more advertising.  Comic Book movies are popular with the general movie going audience.  That is not the fault of the people who make them.  Hollywood wants to make money and comic book movies with some exceptions do that.  However there are many other movies released each year and whilst they may not get the huge budgets and excessive marketing, they balance out the comic book stuff. 

2 hours ago, androidlad said:

The 2x2 pixel-binning in 4K normal and hfr mode has a softening effect, but it can be sharpened to be almost identical to 4K HQ (Oversampled from 8K).

Even looking on my phone, the 4K HQ looks a lot more detailed than the other examples.  It would feel self defeating to spend all that money on a camera touting 8K only to use mushy 4K on it.

This and the Cinema 5D review of the R6 have not given much promise for either camera for me.  I look forward to seeing final results when the camera is released and hope its better then.

This is worrying.  I had hoped the R6 would perform better than the R5 for coping with overheating.  I would be reluctant to use this camera even for short periods if its as bad as this review suggests.

If this account is accurate and true for the final production camera, it makes a lie of anyone who feels they can get away with using either the R5 or R6 even for short filming segments as opposed to long recordings like Weddings.  

No doubt many have the R5 and R6 on preorder.  It'll be interesting to read more accounts to best judge how serious the overheating problem is.  

9 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:

Let me clarify, I'm not advocating silencing anyone or every discussion being all rainbows and puppy dogs, its just that a lot of people in groups and forums spend time endlessly bashing everything just for the sake of trashing what they don't shoot. This creates all the internet echo chamber bullshit

To be fair, after months of no new releases, or news, we have had Canon, Sony, Nikon and Blackmagic all announce something.  If there's a little frenzy on the internet, then its understandable.  We've never had in such a short space of time, so much exciting news for forums to bitch over. 😁

1 minute ago, MrSMW said:

Plus if we had any work to be getting on with... 🤪

Too much time for too much speculating on speculations and spec!

 

Thats me.  Stuck at home, no work.  I use to bump into fellow Professionals whilst working and chat about gear, but not this year.  Forums have become an escape.

Its probably making the forum crazier than normal.  However it won't be forever and once life returns to normal, we'll look back and laugh at some of these discussions.

7 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:

IMO most of the hysteria is from unreasonable expectations 

By that argument, it is unreasonable to suggest the S1H have decent AF, or the Pocket 4K having IBIS, AF, good battery life and a screen visible outdoors in the sun.  

Most cameras have their strengths and weaknesses.  It seems many are happy to sing praise of the R5 for 8K and 120p 4K and Canons amazing AF, yet shut down any criticisms where the camera falls short. 

And yes, I won't be getting the R5 for its overheating issue, just as the lack of decent AF puts me off going with the S1H. 

I think if we limited any particular camera discussion to people who actually purchased or plan to purchase said camera, the forum will be considerably emptier.

34 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

It will sell a lot and 90% will be go to photographers.... it will be hard to get one.... 20fps , ibis, 45 mpix , great af, almost same DR as Sony and mirrorless is basically an almost perfect photocamera ...  even if video will stop after 10 sec. 

80% or more of the sales will not even know what clog3 is....

I agree the R5 is great tool for Photographers and a crippled one for video users..  Thankfully there are other options out there.  Though not with 120fps 4K and 8K RAW.  Though I'm sure that will change.  

13 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

Did you see my thread on editing perf? h265 10bit ipb are faster and easy to edit than all-i in resolve. Make no sense to me but is like this, tested on 3 different machines same result.

So currently I use either RAW or IPB as I hate to transcode or do proxy.....

No I didn't.  That's interesting to know.  Like you I hate proxy; much prefer to work with originals.

11 minutes ago, herein2020 said:

While I was on the job I pulled the microSD card from the drone and put it in the GoPro and the GoPro must have corrupted it.  I typically never do that and always format first using the gear that will write to the card but a storm was coming in and I didn't have time to backup the footage to the laptop then format the card in the GoPro.

 Now though more reports are coming in that the R6 really does overheat during normal use so just when I almost rationalized one card recording....the overheating issue comes back to the forefront.  

 

I think the IPB codec is not as bad as people are making it sound, I shoot LongGOP with the GH5 for smaller projects and no one notices or cares.

 

 

I never ever share cards between cameras.  I also use software to do a full format of the cards every once in awhile.  More to eliminate cases where the unmanned cameras stop recording for some reason.  But I have enough cards for each camera.

The overheating is a concern.  If its too bad, then the camera is a no go for me.  If at worst it gives me 30 mins, then I can work with it.  Its more for run n gun work where my Pocket cameras aren't the most suitable.  I use a GH5, but AF is bad and I don't lile it for the odd photo jobs I have to do.

As for the IPB, its not so much about look as about how easy it is to edit.  I've been spoilt with BRAW and H265 from my drone is a pain to edit.  Doesn’t take much grading before playback is choppy.