Geoff_L

Strange decision, it is free here in France.

Here you are : https://***URL not allowed***/panasonic-lumix-s1-review/

This guy measured the A7III at 13.1 in SLOG3 : Even if those numbers were a little overvalued, the advantage of the S1 over the A7III would still be very good !

Samples here, including comparison with A7iii :

Good point, I too thought about the "partners to satisfy" idea, but I am too naive and told myself that they only want to satisfy customers ? But I guess it is quite logical in their alliance balance : do not ruin our plan by allowing everybody to use canon lenses and preventing them from buying ours ! If I was to buy it, it would only annoy me with the photography side. For video, with long lenses, I would manual focus only anyway, thus caring much for ibis and lowlight.

No idea if their tests are relevant, but cinema5D measured the dynamic range : Given the first Vlog tests on youtube, it really seems to have quite more dynamic range with it, so it will end up not being to bad !!

Just came across this MC-21 compatibility list someone made : https://www.tttphotography.com/sigma-mc-21-ef-l-lens-adapter-compatibility/ As I was interested to know how the canon 200 f2.8 and 100-400 ii work, I'm glad to read the results are quite good ! I even watched a video (from Wex if I remember, or maybe Park cameras....) where they test the canon 100-400, and it is really really good (at least good for photo). Strangely, they report the sigma 100-400 contemporary doesn't work, while sigma put it on the official compatibility list ! They really missed out with this MC21 adapter... seriously. Why they did not "surf" on the MC11 relative success and use that experience to make the same with this one ? I guess it must be for technical reasons but, still, given the price of those new lenses, it would have been great to obtain the mc11 compatibility level.

Does anybody know what type of card is mandatory to take advantage of the new vlog recording ? From what I've read, xqd is only needed for 180fps. I guess, a v90 sd card would be sufficient for everything else ? Damn, I haven't got the needed money to buy this monster, but big sales are putting it right now at a decent price... and make me feel less in need for money ?

But I keep the idea for a next challenge, when the og pocket will cost less than 200 (OK, could take years...) ? !

Just an info after having browse the manual and watch stuffs about it. The Ex. tele converter function that works on the gh5, g9 (and others I guess), which is, I believe, similar to Sony's "clear zoom", is present on the S1. This, combined with the really effective ibis ("the hybrid shooter" on YT says it is close to the G9, when using IS2 with a compatible lens), is really appealing to me. Even if autofocus appears to be "meh" with the sigma MC21 adapter, it is possible to use lenses like the Canon 200 f2.8, and make it a really versatile tool by using the crop mode + Ex teleconverter. Same for the sigma 100-400 etc. Some guys on YT post a lot of birding video + photo samples with the Sony A7iii + mc11 + sigma 150-600 + clear zoom, and the results are very good ; at least from a "poor man's" versatile wildlife kit. With the S1, you add on top of that a very effective ibis... Too bad, prices are quite high ?

Yes its crazy ! Not so long ago, it was still selling brand new for around 1000€, while the bmpcc4k was at 1300€ !

Yes true, and economics is a field I know nothing about so I won't presume anything ahah ? But still, in your examples, canon and fujifilm are deliberate sales, cashback etc. Here, with Nikon, it is just the market prices going down or some shops that deliberately cut the price in a surprising way... But as you said, maybe the point is to establish a users basis, pushing the adoption of existing Nikon dslr users, and quickly move to a 2nd generation that will be really above competition (which the z6 already is in a lot of areas). Anyway, this is good news for us customers ? Oh, and we can add to your examples the flash sales of blackmagic some years ago, with a pocket cinema camera almost sold for half its regular price (if I remember !) ! We can dream the same thing with the bmpcc4k...

Maybe Andrew was thinking about the quick collapse of prices, which could reflect difficulties for Nikon to sell them ? The camera cost around 3000€ (between 2800 and 3000, depending on stores) with kit lens and adapter, back in November when it was released here (and when I bought it). Now, you can buy a brand new one with kit lens for around 1800€. In the meantime, the direct competitors do not move a lot : A7 iii, which is older, is still around 2300€, body only, and with summer sales it cost around 1900/2000€, still body only ; while the EOS R still cost 2500€, body + adapter, and 2000/2100€ with summer rebates. In the end, no matter why it collapses like that, as Andrew said the good thing is it can be grabbed for a pretty great price (which will be better on top of that with the coming firmware !)

You think it would solve our desperate quest for a low cost convenient raw camera ? ?

Yes, we are proud of our Gilles ? Not directly related, but we have got a Sci-fi author called Alain Damasio, who wrote absolutely mind blowing books, tinted with a big Deleuze inspiration. And, whoa (oh, by the way, as I am not really armed for English conversations - no, do not relate this to the fact I am French ! -, I just discovered the correct spelling of "whoa" : https://writingexplained.org/whoa-or-woah-difference ; anyway, nobody cares, sorry), what an experience ! End of off-topic !

DEAL ALERT !! If you live in Switzerland or near the boundary : Interdiscount website The Z6 + 24-70 f4s at 1782€ (today exchange rate) in a reputable store, til the end of the week ! The same price as the Fuji X-T3 + 18-55, woah, crazy ! In 6 months, we will be able to buy one and enter the EOSHD cheap camera challenge ? Thinking about it, when the ProresRaw update will be available, it will be a damn awesome deal !!

@mercer yes it is annoying.... but as I do not depend on cameras to live (for the moment ? ), that finally ends up with only a cameraless period with no other consequence than being forced to watch tons of footage of the next cameras I could purchase ahah ! And the next big trip where the camera will be important is scheduled for next September/October. Yes you are right, I am always amazed by the 5D series capability to hold their value ! Compared to other brands, it is really a great thing.

XT3 + bmpcc4k would be a great combo too... less cumbersome than BM + 5D for my needs. But probably out of budget. With that being said, I really like the tokina 11-16 f2.8 and the sigma 18-35 f1.8, and both can be shared between the XT3 and bmpcc4k. Plus, the budget could be less stretched than buying the same focals for a full frame...

Yes, I do not know what to think about the reliability, as I came across different opinions. Some warn everybody after they lost their footage... others say they never have any troubles ! But I think I read more of the latter. Interesting that you keep your XT30 and not the XT3 . Both are on my list, and If I go the bmpcc4k route, I'll need a still camera !

I am exactly thinking the same... For still + video, could be a good combo. Lenses and batteries can be shared, even if it appears to be better going external on the BM. Given the prices of the used 5D, it roughly makes the pack at the same level of the others hybrids (if keeping the BM accessories to a minimal). I wonder something, maybe @The ghost of squig has an answer : I see everybody rigging the bmpcc4k (with quite big rigs for some), which is, given its purpose as a cinema camera, a logical thing. But, what if you try to use it with the minimal accessories, e.g only a smallrig cage (+ a t5 ssd, or only a fast sd card) and a little mic ? I believe the battery life is only 20min, but if you have 4 or 5 canon batteries with you and a powerbank to charge them in an emergency, could it work to avoid the big external powering solutions ? I know it depends on the shooting style and the type of work, but, still, I wonder ?

Oh, 30min of footage is not that bad since I only shoot really short sequences. I still had in mind the 12min, so this is quite good. I think the limit is in the offloading of CF card while on the field, but I could find a solution. Yes, I understand for the XT3, GH5 and P4K ; the image coming out from 5D ML seems to be a good cure for GAS ?. I don't even own one, but all the videos I see from it really magnetize my attention... I have to reason myself and think about all the "plus" and ease of use offered by all the available hybrids, to help me balance the decision ! But, still, that mojo... ahah ! Concerning the Z6, I had to sell it due to financial reasons (dead car... Had to prioritize my tight budget), despite being really pleased with it. I was eager to see the ProRes Raw update being available, but, now I think about it, I'm not sure it would has been a good match with my type of use. My camera lives mostly in a bag, and I pull it out during our activities to record short moments. We often encounter harsh conditions, hence the "live in the bag" thing, so I fear it would be a pain to add an external recorder on top of that. The last thing I want is to worry too much about the gear, and I try to avoid having the camera obstructing the rest. That's where the 5D becomes interesting, despite the negative points : internal raw, mojo, really tough to endure crappy weather... Best thing would be to have a 5D and a small hybrid to complement it. Well, I guess I have to write everything on paper and try to make the most reasonable choice

Oh, I did not know that was his video, great ! He seems to be interested in the future z6 raw capabilities ; I guess when you taste raw video it is hard to move away from it. Yes I can understand why it not for everybody ; I use my camera mainly during outdoor activities, especially multi days/weeks hiking trip, and battery charging + memory space is always the big downside. So, while I am in love with the 5D iii ML image, I guess I would have problems to deal with the massive files while out in the middle of nowhere ? (I checked for a on location back-up solution for CFcard, but it seems to be quite a pain). With that being said, the M50 is really tempting. Mercer, I thing I read you are closely keeping on eye on cameras like the Fuji XT3, to complement your 5D. Do you consider the M50, especially with the Speedbooster ?

Yes, I mostly used the rear lcd and rarely the evf. But now I am thinking about, I remember having noticed a difference of colors between both, especially during sunsets in the mountains, and with snowy landscapes (the snow felt different while switching from the evf for photo, and the rear lcd for video). Maybe it was the same as you, but I interpreted low contrast as a changing in colors...

Could it be related to the brightness of the evf ? I remember at first I struggled with the settings. One thing I am sure, is this evf bring daylight when it is dark ; that was truly useful !

OK... now I am interested ! There is special sales for the M50 right now : 400€ body only ! 150€ off, which pay the viltrox speedbooster... And MPB.com has a eos M for 110€ ahah. Might be good, to try experimenting with Ml. Ah, and they got 5d's iii in good conditions for around 1050€ Hm... I should not had read this sub forum ?