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I hope I'm wrong but I think the 'leaked' gopro 12 image are fake purely on the basis that I don't think gopro would write 1 inch sensor on the side of the camera even if they did release a camera with a 1 inch sensor. Clearly a faked image to bait all the people that have been yelling "GIVE ME 1 INCH SENSOR NOW" for the last several iterations of gopro.

They did make mention of an expectation of more cinema styled lenses. I wonder if that's an indication of what's to come, because if I was to make a prediction about Panasonic in 2023, I definitely wouldn't be expecting "cinematic styled lenses" unless I knew that they were going to address their autofocus issues.

Is it Laowa? Laowa have a couple of MFT lenses with electrical contacts to control aperture.

52 minutes ago, stv said:

I recall seeing a video where Gerald actually says that he doesn't consider himself a filmmaker and that he's only ever done small corporate gigs and that's why he never shows any footage. He's more of a technical guy that's interested in testing cameras and camera gear.

Found the video. He answers the question at 9:50.

I recall seeing a video where Gerald actually says that he doesn't consider himself a filmmaker and that he's only ever done small corporate gigs and that's why he never shows any footage. He's more of a technical guy that's interested in testing cameras and camera gear.

@Andrew Reid Gerald Undone has made comments regarding the drawbacks of having the second native ISO at 12800 in his video where he discusses his reasoning for switching to the Sony A1 (9 minute mark).

On 4/11/2021 at 1:24 AM, empedocles said:

And also, what's the difference between the GX80 and the GX80K?

I could be wrong but I think the K is for the package that comes with the kit lens while the other one is body only. No difference between the cameras themselves.

I'm just hoping these 1 inch sensors eventually make their way into DJI's pocket and action cameras.

Does anyone know if 1080 on the S5 (or S1) is downsampled? The 1080 clips that I've seen look way softer than the 4k when viewing at 1080 on Youtube. On the other hand, the GH5's 1080 looks pretty much identical to the 4k when viewing at 1080 on Youtube.

No mention of 10bit recording on the side of the box. 🙁

6 minutes ago, visionrouge said:

Someone suggested that the overheat icon should be changed with a middle finger on a future firmware... I love this idea!🖕
 

Hahaha, that or a laughing emoji would be good. This one would fit perfectly 🤣

Canon: "Oh, so you want to record in a HQ video mode?"

R5 User: "Yes please"

Canon: 🤣

44 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

So far, everything is going according to plan. Except for some people having thermal common sense? Canon really does take us for idiots! Waiting 2 hours? ...give me a break! I don't know who came up with that one.

I think they were hoping that chatter among the photography community would drown out the complaints coming from video focused users. I think they designed the camera with photography users in mind and added the 8k for that wow factor on the spec sheet. I can't see why else they would add such a feature and then hamper it to the point of it being completely unusable.

31 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

Has anyone considered the idea that Canon might have wanted to release the full potential of this camera at a later point? The argument could be made they wanted to own the entire "spec" buying videographer market, knowing Sony or someone else would have made something to compete that would be up to snuff to compete (again, in terms of specs). At this point, they'd release a new firmware "unlocking" the full potential on us unsuspecting customers. Both Fuji and Olympus have done this type of thing in the past, only with firmware.

I'm a far more cynical individual but I think Canon were trying to hedge their bet. I think what they were originally hoping to do was create a camera with amazing specs to wow customers, artificially cripple it, release it and then gauge consumer response. If sales figures and adoption are low, ease back on the crippling and see if they can gain more customers. Ideally, I think they were hoping that no one would care all that much about the crippled performance and that they wouldn't need to do anything. They wanted their cake and they wanted to eat it too. They wanted to show the class leading specs without actually having to give them to the consumers.

Canon's actions have long demonstrated that they want their dslr/mirrorless cameras to be used for photography. If Sony, Panasonic and Fuji weren't pushing video so hard in their own cameras the R5 would likely have the same mushy 1080 as the Canon T2i.

I know this is probably crazy talk but I wouldn't be surprised if the R5 isn't overheating at all and Canon have just implemented a time based system to purposely make the HQ modes completely unusable.

Armando Ferreira tested the camera and he was getting the overheating warning despite the camera and battery being cool to the touch (that part of his review can be seen here https://youtu.be/E0851VJfPmg?t=629).

Canon have long been criticised for crippling the specs of their cameras so they've decided to take a different approach with the R5 and crippled the performance instead. That way they can say "Hey! We listened! We've given you a camera with amazing specs. We tried our best!".

If sales figures for the R5 are extremely poor and they suddenly release a firmware that "magically" solves the overheating issues then you know something is up.

Hah! Thought so! Those pavers just shout Australian backyard to me.

40C? Mate, are you from Perth? It hit 42C here in Perth today. Hopefully it's not like this for the next 3-4 months.

On 11/30/2019 at 11:56 AM, kye said:

Which looks more filmic?  Which makes you feel something?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can almost feel the "Australian" heat in that second image.

On 11/30/2019 at 7:22 PM, IronFilm said:

Honestly my Panasonic G6 could last me YEARS longer..... it is just the selfish side of me which wants a new camera ?

With my level of skill and the amount of shooting I actually do, a Canon IXUS is probably more than sufficient for my needs. However, buying new gear is like half the fun of shooting!

That said, I've managed to make it through Black Friday without the purchase of a new camera. Thanks for help guys. 

On 11/30/2019 at 6:51 PM, IronFilm said:

At only a two hundred buck difference it is a no brainer to buy the GH5! Even if you don't want it right now, there are lots of GH5 video features that there is a chance you'll want in the near future

Is there any reason to get the G9 over the GH5 when they're so similarly priced? The G9 is supposedly way better for photography but how much better is it? I know it's got the 80mp sensor shift, faster burst rate and bigger EVF, but outside of that is it really that much better than the GH5 for photography? If I were to get another camera it'd be for both stills and video. People seem to hate on the GH5 for photography but I don't see how it can be that much worse than the G9 considering they use the same sensor.

Gahhh, you're talking way too much sense for my liking @kye. I think you've crushed any argument I have for purchasing a new camera, especially when you take into account that I only shoot for fun.

Looking at that video (which is awesome by the way), it's crazy to see how far cameras have come in such a short amount of time and how spoiled we are with all the low cost options that are available today. Imagine what filmmakers would be thinking if you could go back in time 15 years and show them something like the G7. They would be blown away. Meanwhile, here I am, a casual hobbyist at best, thinking that I need gradable 10bit footage to shoot some video tests that probably no one is ever going to see. Hah! Thanks for putting things into perspective for me. My wallet thanks you.

5 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Eff lighting and lenses... NEW CAMERA! 

Ok scrap everything I just said. NEW CAMERA! NEW CAMERA! hahaha

12 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

With that in mind, IBIS was the least of my worries and I don't feel like I've missed shots because I didn't have IBIS available. Instead of toying around with older cameras, I figure why not just buy something nice and be happy with it for years to come. With a neckstrap / monopod / loupe (or VF on the Fuji) you can get very stable footage with a natural, undisturbing shakiness. For me that's not a problem at all.

I have a monopod, which is great, but there are situations where I can't carry that around with me all the time. Sounds like I need to work on my shooting technique.

10 hours ago, kye said:

My advice is to:

• Understand the offerings in terms of what features they offer
• Review how you work and what features on offer actually matter
• Review if there are any limitations in how you work that would be eliminated (eg, IBIS makes going hand-held an option for some people)
• Evaluate the tech against your requirements and how you work

No point buying a camera because it works better for someone else and gets great reviews for doing things that you don't do.

And remember that when you're reading reviews most people who write reviews are review writers and may not actually do anything else except make reviews.  Which is why vloggers only review cameras as vlogging cameras....

8 hours ago, Shell64 said:

Honestly I still think the g7 is fine. I would invest in better glass and lights. You will notice more improvement there. 

Thanks for the sensible advice guys. This is probably what i needed to hear but not what i wanted to hear! The thought of a whole new system is so alluring! hahahaha

I think i'll have to sit on this for a couple of days and reassess each option before making a rash decision.

12 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

The jump in IQ is definitely more noticeable with the XT3. 

The GH5 has the best 1080p though, virtually no moire/aliasing. The XT3 is definitely more prone to moire and aliasing but less so in 4k. The XT3 definitely is ahead in the 4k department having 10 bit in 4k 60p. Its 120p also beats the GH5's imho. The extra stop and a half of dynamic range is noticeable on the XT3 coming from the GH5, even more noticeable coming from a G7.

If you have a slower PC the GH5's H254 10 bit is nice, especially in 1080p. 10 bit H264 200mbps All-I runs nicely in premiere. Fuji you are stuck with H265 which is a bitch, but if you have a better PC its no problem. 

If you can link up with some local video people and test out the cameras that's always the best way. You'd be surprised how many people would be willing to do that. 

I think you'd definitely appreciate either camera. The IBIS on the GH5 can be magical. 

I have to say I was initially leaning towards the GH5 because of the IBIS, but as you've pointed out, I feel like I'd notice a greater jump in image quality with the X-T3. That plus the fact that it's also great for photography is really making my decision harder and harder.

With regards to Panasonic's 10 bit H264 200mbps All-I recording format, do you know if it's compatible with V30 SD cards? 200mbps equates to 25 megabytes a second so V30 cards should theoretically be sufficient. I already have a stack of Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-I cards and have no intentions of purchasing any UHS-II cards in the short term.

12 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

I'm in a very similar position, wanting to upgrade my take everywhere camera from my loved GX80 to something with a mic input at the very least. IBIS is amazing, but I think there are other things in a camera that are more important. (codec, bitrate, etc.)

For a few weeks, I've been to-and-fro-ing between the Fuji XT30, XT3 and XH1 (and every now and then the Sigma FP, but I'm pretty sure that's ruled out after a conversation in that thread).

XT30 is amazingly cheap at the moment, and similarish in size to the GX80. - But I feel like if I go with that, I'll be pining over it's bigger brother in a couple months.

XT3 has the best video specs of the three with 10bit DCI 60p and the best 1080/120p

XH1 tops out at 8bit DCI 24p, but it does have IBIS.

As for Black Friday deals. I'm not sure if it's the same where you are, but in Europe Fuji has a €200 cashback on many of their cameras. This will last until 5th Jan, so it can give you more time to think about it. I think the worst thing you could do is rush into a decision just because there's a sale. After all, if you're only now upgrading from the 5-year-old g7, this next one will likely need to keep you happy for another 5 years. There will be another sale in January, then an easter sale, then summer sale.

@thebrothersthre3 - XT3 can shoot in h264 as well, unless you want DCI60/50p - any other resolution or frame rate is fine for h264

Do you think IBIS is something you could live without? I feel that on the G7 I miss a lot of shots just because I can't keep the camera steady enough. If IBIS wasn't an issue, I think the X-T3 would already be on it's way to my home address.

12 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

You'll notice an improvement in IQ on all those cameras, for sure, though the G7 is still has a very good image. What kind of work are you doing? 

For me personally I lean towards the GH5 because the IBIS and all of the video centric features. I do a lot of handheld work, and the IBIS allows me to get stable footage with a stripped down set up. It's kind of the Swiss army knife of cameras, it can handle pretty much everything you throw at it. The 1080p on the GH5 is also fantastic. 

Still if the X-T3 had comparable IBIS and didn't have the recording limit I'd be very, very tempted. 

I'm just a hobbyist who shoots for fun. To be honest, either of these cameras are probably overkill for my level of use, but the thought of a new camera is just so tempting. The Gh5's 1080 quality and IBIS are huge positives for me.

Do you guys do most of your recording in 4k or is a lot of it still done in 1080? Are there ever any situations where you actively choose  1080 over 4k? I'm not sure if I'm overvaluing the need for high quality 1080 recording. I guess the main reasons why I want good 1080 are because it takes up less space and there's less rolling shutter.

Hey all, I've been looking to upgrade from the Panasonic G7 for a while now and have been eyeing the GH5, Fuji X-T3 and more recently the G9 (thanks to the firmware update) as potential replacements. With Black Friday deals in abundance at the moment, I feel more tempted than ever to take the plunge. That said, I thought I'd consult the vast EOSHD knowledge bank before making a final decision.

One of my big questions is, which camera am I likely to see the biggest improvement from? Will I even see that great of an improvement image quality wise if I move to any of these cameras? Also, does the APS-C sensor of the X-T3 outweigh the benefits gained from having IBIS? I've never used a camera with IBIS before and I'm not sure if I'm overvaluing or undervaluing how much of an impact I think it'd have on my shooting. 

Secondly, with the recent Panasonic firmware update, should the G9 be considered before the GH5 if 10 bit recording is one of the main reasons for upgrading? One thing that's still keeping the GH5 in contention for me is that I shoot a lot of 1080/24p and this latest firmware update appears to have omitted that from the G9's 10 bit recording options (25p and 30p seem to be available). Additionally, the price difference between the G9 and GH5 here in Australia is only 200 AUD (135 USD). I don't know how much use I'd get out of the additional GH5 features and I don't know how much worse the photography aspect of the GH5 is compared to the G9. Also, is the 180fps in the G9 comparable in quality to the 180fps in the GH5?

Lastly, because I still intend to shoot a lot of 1080, how does the X-T3's 1080 quality stack up against the GH5's 1080?

Apologies for the barrage of questions, but I've been racking my brains out over the last couple of days and still can't come to a decision..........which is making me start to think that maybe I shouldn't upgrade at all ?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

@anonim Good points. I've seriously been considering purchasing a Zhiyun Crane Plus (was actually going to buy one tomorrow) but have had the same reservations that you've just pointed out; they're clumsy and cumbersome to use. Having to take the camera on and off constantly when travelling would no doubt make shooting a lot less enjoyable. I think I'll have to reconsider my options.

Hi @tellure, thanks for the feedback. I agree, some of the train shots are definitely too long. I was trying to match the shots with the music and wasn't able to figure out a way to switch shots without it looking out of place. I probably need to experiment more with different edits. As for the light leaks, they were all added in post.

Hi @mercer, really appreciate the encouraging words. Makes me want to get off my slack-ass and shoot some more!

I used two overlays; one was film reel footage with dust/scratches and the other was an adjustment layer to add noise and a vignette. Nearly all the clips were shot with the 14-42mm kit lens. I think two of the night shots were taken with the Panasonic 25mm F1.7.

Thanks for the camera suggestions. The Olympus IBIS sure does look attractive. How did you find the image quality of the E-M5ii and how do you think it rates against the 1080 quality of the G7? I don't mind shooting in 1080 but I haven't been all that thrilled with 1080 on the G7.

Hi @anonim, thanks for your kind feedback! I'm really glad you liked it. Overall, I think the vintage look worked out ok in this case. I'd like to go back to Japan later this year and hopefully get some clean footage like yours (beautiful place and shots by the way). Do you find the IBIS in the GH5 good enough for getting smooth footage? I'm wondering if it's worth upgrading from the G7 or getting a gimbal instead.

Hi, I've been a longtime lurker on this forum but never had a reason to contribute as I have next to zero experience in film making and cameras despite being quite interested in them. I guess you could call me an armchair enthusiast; I watch and read a lot of stuff online but haven't really acted on any of it. That said, last year I went on a trip to Japan and set myself the task of recording a bunch of footage with the intent to produce some kind of "travel" video clip. I soon realised that the process wasn't as easy as I initially thought it was going to be as I struggled to get any smooth stable shots. Just about everything I shot was marred with micro jitters and vomit inducing shakes (I was travelling light and did not bring a tripod). In an attempt to salvage my barely usable inconsistent clips, I did what all good amateurs do and threw on an excessive amount of overlays and light leaks to try and create the overly used "old school vintage film look". I know it's probably below the standards of this forum but here's the result.