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6 hours ago, jonpais said:

The one thing I’m not looking forward to are the ten million YouTube AF tests after the firmware update. ?

https://www.panasonic.com/global/consumer/lumix/gh5_firmware.html

can't wait!

I am sure BM will sort out all the issues. They are kind of known for releasing a "mostly" finished product.

Image quality is subjective but in general I agree with him. Nothing else shoots 4k raw anywhere near this price, especially considering it does it up to 60p and of course 1080 120p raw(though it is 4x crop). You might not like the M43 look but there is no arguing the 14 bit raw 4k.

Impressive little monster. Not sure how great it is for run and gun though. Maybe its a nice little sneaky camera or gimbal camera. Run and gun ehh

I am not getting it though, especially after hearing about the 4x crop in 1080p. Fuji XT3 for me(soon maybe, hopefully).

5 minutes ago, jonpais said:

I’ve found GH5 tap to focus to be just about 100% accurate in video in AF-S. Just talking static subjects here, not tracking or anything. It’s important to make the focus area as small as possible for the best accuracy though. Tap to focus also works swell with the remote app in 4K, something neither Fuji nor Sony can do. 

Yeah I was talking more moving objects. 

1 hour ago, kye said:

8K? ???

soon, we got 8k sensors, so its not too far out. I don't really even edit in 4k much though lol. 

29 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

To my book, this can be a deal breaker (in favour of Panny instead as better alternative) if not fixed...

On that one I am fully with @jonpais where you're used to be: certain things count even more than IQ, being reliability one of them.

Definitely, the issue with Panasonic is the focus isn't very accurate, so the touch to focus can be useless at times for video. 

I am waiting to buy the XT3 haha. 

I am kind of doubting the XH2 IBIS will be satisfying enough for me, but hopefully. If not I'll wait for the XT30 for a B cam(hopefully it'll  have 10 bit). 

Try shooting in standard, or maybe one of the cine settings. Slog2 has the most noise, which isn't necessarily a bad thing you'll just need to use neat video (or another NR software) in post sometimes. 

1 minute ago, Mako Sports said:

if its 10 bit 420 in 4K, FS5mkii and mki user would probably be pissed with that.

Understandable but also silly. Would be good for them once they get past the loss in investment. Much smaller camera delivering what they need. 

I feel like most people using an FS5 need the cinema camera layout not just the image quality. 

21 minutes ago, Mako Sports said:

I have an A6300 rn, Legit all I want is A7iii color science, dual SD card slots, the HLG profiles and a headphone jack.

 

 If I wanted 10 bit in 4K I would just save up for or rent an FS7, and My Z90 does 10 bit in HD anyways.

Maybe they'll surprise everyone and put 10 bit 420 in the A7000. I think its going to be the camera you want except for maybe dual card slots. 

3 hours ago, crevice said:

Yes - colors and how the image looks are so much more important than specs. I used a canon c200 which used an 8 bit codec when recording mp4 and the 8 bit codec looked better than most cameras. In deciding which camera I want, the thing I kept going back to was color and feel and so far all the footage I have seen with the xt-3 looks better than the pocket 4k, GH5/s, or any Sony series camera. Add the fact that it takes great stills as well and THAT is the reason why I am contemplating selling my Sony gear. Specs are specs, but how does the footage look, is whats important to me. 

I'm with you. I was really considering Canon until I looked into Fuji, and they have better video specs generally. I mean a Canon C200 would probably be ideal for me buts its very pricey haha. 

I love the 35mm look. Though I agree its kind of an unnecessary focal length on APSC. 

37 minutes ago, eyesuncloudedphoto said:

Do you have reason to believe that the Sony version will have lower specs, esp. concerning video features? 

I am betting the features will be slightly better. They have to stay competitive. 

Canon has really pleasing color science, Panasonic doesn't have that. The 10 bit codec on the GH5 and S is definitely more robust. Most people aren't that good at color grading though. Having nice colors out of he box is easy. Fuji has nice colors though which is another reason I'm buying it. Banding is another issue for log profiles that 10 bit handles much better then 8 bit. Not everyone needs log but it definitely gives you more dynamic range. 

I'd be going with the Black Magic if it modern age auto focus but it doesn't. The nice thing about the Pocket is it has quite good ISO performance. 

Still Fuji is the camera for me. A cinema cam will definitely have advantages, being able to use more reliable cables like SDI rather then HDMI or micro hdmi.  

I like a really small setup though so its hard to beat the Fuji, especially with 10 bit internal 4k. 

The battery life on the Fuji XT3 is about 45 minutes continuous recording. Auto focus is now as good as or better (in some areas) then Sony. No IBIS with the XT3 obviously and low light performance isn't as good. 

Speaking of innovative though Fuji is really being innovative right now which was a reason for me to go with the system. Plus lenses that are like 3 times smaller then full frame. 

Unless they do a large redo of their color science I'll stay with Fuji. 

I would say the main benefit of the Sony is clean high iso's in video and jpegs. I think you'll be happy with Fuji based on what you said. 

I haven't had a chance to play with Flog on the Fuji, but BM P4K is really impressive. It really blew the GH5's vlog out of the water in terms of highlight and shadow detail. I mean 14 bit raw is hard to beat. 

That said for me its the choice between the XT3, BMP4K, and the GH5S. Fuji wins it for me. The auto focus alone puts it above the other two. 10bit log is all I really need. 

Why switch to Fuji if you are happy with Sony tho? 

ISO seems to be the big step down if you switch to Fuji. Also no IBIS, though I don't really know how useful Sony IBIS is in video. 

I've found dynamic range on the XT2 to be beyond good, but I've never used a full frame sony to compare it with. 

I'm tempted to get this for vlogging. Flip out screen, canon color, and auto focus. Where else can that be found?

F4 on full frame is pretty good tbh, for most situations. Especially when you can use 6400 and 12800 iso.

The A7III is a bit out of focus in the everyday dad video. The Sony skin actually looks pretty good, though the fuji is a bit better blending the color around his eyes. I think the Fuji would shine more in mixed lighting conditions or harsher light. Flog would be an interesting comparison.

2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

That would be a pretty tough test on Any camera. Actually not too bad. Desirable well no, but common, yes...

Results are pretty decent.

On 9/27/2018 at 6:52 PM, Django said:

Well it's nice to hear you say some positive things about Canon Andrew ?

I do feel like Canon catches a lot of flack. Justifiably so in many aspects, but they do nail certain things.

A little concerned about the "cheap" feel. I was under the impression it was "1DX build quality". How would you consider so compared to A73/XT3/Z etc?

Also FWIW i do shoot 2K/4K. Do got the luxury of renting equipment when budget allows. But hear this, just yesterday i was comparing footage shot in 4K on my XT2 to 1080p footage shot on my C100 externally to ProRes 4:2:2 (upscaled) on my new 4K OLED TV.. and the C100 footage looked vasty superior to my eyes. Kind of defies logic i know, and i'll have to do more serious tests but codecs shouldn't be under-estimated me thinks..

Seems hard to believe. Could you post example photos?

1 hour ago, buggz said:

You can get the Minolta SR lens mount changed to EOS.  I have my Minolta Rokkor PG 58/1.2 changed to EOS.  Works good.

There is a guy on Fred Miranda forum that does good work.

No doubt other places too.

interesting, I wonder if its as easy as taking the back off and switching. I have a Nikon rear mount I'll have to check.

43 minutes ago, Dan Sherman said:

but you know what it's shocking how many people can't walk or drive properly! Technology is great, but regardless of what anyone says it's not the answer to everything.

Yes but its becoming everything. Everyone drives now. Heck I'll be out sometimes and there is like no one on the streets. Its all cars. Depends where you live obviously but technology changes everything. There is skill even to using auto focus though as silly as it may sound. 

Panasonic announced an AI auto focus system for their full frame cameras, there is the future.