MicahMahaffey

6 hours ago, Brian Williams said:

Kind of a random question, but in terms of my S1 and this newest update- will I see any benefit to going out and buying a CFexpress card? I know they are faster than my UHS-II SD card, but the SD card is handling the new 6k mode just fine, so is there a benefit from a video standpoint? I know the downside is they are more expensive than my card.

Apparently a cf card is reccomend for 6k. I have yet to experience the dreaded corrupt file problem that lots of people with slower cards run into when using the 6k mode. But it is something to consider. 

I'm actually looking at Cf cards now because I cant afford to have corrupt files. 

But then again, for the price of Cf cards it's making just getting an ssd and shooting raw into the ninja look more reasonable. 

14 hours ago, EphraimP said:

The Fuji autofocus is better too, yeah? And if you add the Metabones speedbooster to either the T3 or T4 you've got your full frame and access to plentiful EF glass.

In general, all of these cameras can give you a good image, which is awesome. Probably 90 percent or more of your audience won't be able to tell the difference if you nail focus, exposure and white balance.

I dont use autofocus so I forgot about that one. 

I mean, i use my sony a6300 along side my S1 as a gimbal cam and its negligible once graded. 

The xt4 being 10bit pretty much means that it can look like any camera with enough adjustments. 

We're definitely in a time were most cameras can get the job done and nobody will ever notice what camera you used. 

23 hours ago, empedocles said:

What in your opinion makes the S1 better than the XT3? And by the way, has Andrew reviewed the latter? Oh and what about the Fuji XT4?

6k vs 4k 

Full frame vs APSC

Better Ibis, better battery life, better ISO performance, better build quality, better image in log (less digital looking) 

10bit 422 instead of just 420. 

There's obviously more but those are what I consider to be general improvements. 

Only thing on the XT4 that's better is its ALL-I compression modes. 

But the Panasonic long GOP 10bit codec is essentially as robust as an all I codec. 

A used Panasonic s1 is like $1500. Great camera with vlog. 

Internal 6k open gate full frame 10bit, 4k 60 10bit, Prores Raw over hdmi. Anamorphic modes, amazing IBIS, great internal battery life (3 hours per battery) Full Varicam V-Log and Cine Color science. 

For what it goes for on the used market its probably the best bang for buck camera you can get currently. 

The fixed apature is how DJI prevents this from replacing the pro 2

Although I am curious if a pro 3 is on the way. 

I'm betting on it essentially being an air 2s with apature control and possibly 8k.  

3 hours ago, TomTheDP said:

Nice work man! I'm not huge on the blue light in the night shots but that's just me.

How do you like the anamorphic adapter? Worth it?

Thanks! It's very worth it, was pleasantly surprised how sharp and easy to focus it is. 

I might pick up another one for my b cam. 

cameras: Panasonic Lumix S1, Mavic Pro 2 

lenses: konica Hexinion AR 40mm 1.8 + SLR Magic anamorphot 50 (green coating) 

Just Shot a music video On The S1! 

Fantastic Camera! 

I actually did not realize the S5 had a smaller battery.. my bad! 😅 

The S5 wont last 3 hours, my S1 lasts 3 hours, but I imagine 2 hours on the s5 is still pretty good coming from sony. 

10 hours ago, Jimmy G said:

I've been debating whether acquiring a Ninja V to experiment with what VLOG/ProRes RAW might offer over the internal VLOG options for HDR.

I was a bit disappointed in finding out through my inquiries this past week that the only option to record ProRes RAW is with the Ninja V...is this all this much in it's infancy that there exists no other market choices?!

I was also disappointed after watching last week's LUMIX YT presentation to learn that Panasonic still had nothing to say regarding piping the RAW data packets over the internal PCIe bus to the internal CFExpress cards and will instead continue to only make that data dump available through the HDMI pipeline to external recorders. There was a fair amount of talk inferring thermal capacity of the S1 body as a limitation but what still does not add up to me is that they state (on one hand) that the heat is generated by the internal processing done before sending data to their cards for their internal codecs, but did not satisfactorily (to my viewing and listening) reconcile (as they stated on the other hand) that packet-izing the RAW data requires no internal image processing (so less heat), only sensor data transport? So, simply put, packetizing the RAW data generates less internal heat than that caused by the internal image processing that is sent to the internal cards.

Sooo, if internal codec recording times are dictated by...

1. Sensor image processing heat + writing to card heat = 15 minutes, why is it if...

2. 0 sensor image processing heat only RAW packetizing + HDMI piping = unlimited record time, and...

3. Sensor image processing heat + HDMI piping = unlimited record time, that...

4. 0 sensor image processing heat only RAW packetizing + writing to card heat ≠ at least 15 minutes?

By what the Panasonic reps stated, scenario 4 should generate less internal heat than scenario 1, so why not allow the RAW data packets (with time limits, if that needs to be so) that fit the S1's thermal design...i.e. 15-minutes, or whatever it works out to (they have the thermal numbers)?

My point, all along (and I will not tire from this), I'd prefer to be focused on shooting the bird and frog, etc. activities (that actually require my attention!) while I'm out in the field rather than fiddling around with a recorder and settings and connections and snag points and added weight whilst missing vital irreproducible action, I can fiddle with the RAW data to my heart's content in FCPX when I get home.

And I'm sure I am not alone in wishing to be able to record RAW internally (just like all the other codecs) without the fuss and muss of extraneous gear. 🙂

-Jim

Very interesting point.. I never thought about this before and you actually make a great point! 

The S1 should totally be capable of RAW internally. But they obviously wont do that because the s1h cant 😞

hey, maybe its time for a magic lantern style hack?? Hmmmm? 

The lumix S5 on a Gimbal should give you what you want, but its autofocus is less than stellar so that's just something to keep in mind if you're using it as a gimbal cam. 

Any Lumix s series cam is great for getting work done. The incredible IBIS allows you to shoot mostly handheld. The battery life is crazy long, like 3+ hours per battery and they have full Varicam v-log and V-gamut. So a true cinematic image. 

But for gimbals, I feel like the s5 is probably the most convenient. 

3 days to go! 

Theres no definitive proof that the S series uses sony sensors, but lets say they do, because that's obviously very possible. 

I think they still look good and different than my sony cams not just because of how its processes, but the fact that theres no phase detect autofocus on the sensor. 

Looking at side by side comparisons of current sensors, the contrast detect autofocus on the lumix cams gives the footage a much more pleasing look. 

If you crop in on a sony, you get like halos on edges from the sensors auto focus system. This gives sony cams a subtle feeling of digital sharpness. 

Although cams like the red komodo share similar auto focus tech, it somehow doesn't have this problem. Or maybe it does? Idk I've never used it. 

But as a mirrorless camera the s series cams imo avoid this issue by having contrast detect autofocus. 

Of course this is just my point of view, but I think someone could plop and arri beside the S1h,S1,S5 and grade them to match and nobody would notice which cam is which.. 

Although, the motion cadence of the Arri will likely stand out as better. But again, I really dont know for sure. 

19 hours ago, TomTheDP said:

The Lumix S line uses Sony sensors. Panasonic's processing is way better though. 

I'm pretty sure Panasonic is NOT using Sony sensors in their S1/S1r/S1h/S5 

I just googled it to double check, I couldn't find anything about them having sony sensors. But I did find discussions about them having custom sensors that are not Sony.. 

This is why I think the Lumix S Series cams stand out to me.. 

They're not using sony technology and have a pretty amazing image in vlog. 

Coming from sony, I totally get what you're saying. 

19 hours ago, Cliff Totten said:

So here's the deal....

The S1 can do:

1.) Unlimited 5.9k sensor readout all day long 24/7 with no thermal issues.

2.) Unlimited 5.9 image processing with no thermal issues

3.) Unlimited 5.9k raw over HDMI with no thermal issues....even continuing after the recorded file write 15min. time limit.

4.) The GH5 with it's same encoder chip can record unlimited open gate 19mp 6k video....with no thermal issues in a much smaller body.

Does anybody else believe the S1 was capped at 5.9k internal recording to protect the S1H?

The S1 is a full frame camera, takes more to keep a full frame cool than a smaller mft sensor. 

Thus the limitation. 

I love my S1, its quickly become my favorite camera, cant wait for this update 

Crazy, I never expected it to become a 6k camera. But im not complaining 🙂

I almost got a big metal, but decided just to get an anamorphot 50 1.33x instead. 

Vormaxlens adapters are really cool for what they are though, to cheaply get into anamorphic is truly the only option  

On 12/15/2020 at 12:06 PM, TomTheDP said:

The A7s3 is probably one of the worst cameras out right now in terms of a cinematic feel. Due to the processing that can't be disabled it just feels less organic. This can easily be shown by seeing it side by side with the FX6 which has the same sensor but without the digital noise reduction and sharpening. 

In the cameras defense the rolling shutter performance in fantastic.

Rolling shutter, color and codec also play a part. 

I think the Pana S1H will give you a much more organic image though it suffers from much worse rolling shutter as well as no ALL-I high bitrate codecs. 

Something like a Z-cam will give you a very organic image though the rolling shutter isn't great, at least compared to a cinema camera. 

The RED Komodo is the best bang for your buck for a cinema camera look. I'd say the Canon C70 falls next to it. I might but the Pocket 6k next. The S1H isn't far behind if you can get past the rolling shutter and subpar high speed options. I think an of the URSA mini 4.6K cameras are also very organic looking with good rolling shutter performance compared to the Pocket cameras. 

I personally am happy with my Z-cam S6 and Panasonic S1. With Emotive Color's Arri LUT they look phenomenal. Any differences between them and say an Arri Classic are negated by how cheap and easier to use they are. 

I'd love a RED Komodo but I hate RED as a brand and I could have two S6's for the less than the price of one RED Komodo. The Pana S1 and Z-cam S6 are also much better at high ISO, which is more useful than rolling shutter. 

The s1h has All-I codecs. The s1 and s5 dont have all-I but their actual image is pretty damn comparible and cost like $1800 used. 

If auto focus isn't a concern, just get an S1 with the vlog upgrade, it's getting 6k 10bit and 4k 60 10bit internal and 6k raw external in a few months. 

So the S1 just became a 6k 10bit full frame camera?? I'll take it! 

Cant wait for this to release! Also 4k 60fps 10bit and raw 6k! Wow! Its essentially an entirely new league of camera now 

Good job Panasonic! 

First time flying a drone, I think it came out ok. Thoughts? 

18 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

If Panasonic would only give some freebies for the S1 users, 10bit VLOG please, 4k60 10bit please. Thank you. 25p in 6K photomode. Thank you super much, Panny! A rigged GH5 is still an indiecinema beast. But that image quality from the Lumix S series is just another league. But is that so? I filmed some very spiffy stuff this weekend and I am amazed again about the material shot with the GH5 if applying some digital diffusion in post. Great looking image. But, S series is indeed in another league. Now, that update for the S1 would make me keep mine and buy a S5 later.  🙂

100% agree! 

It honestly seems like panasonic will update the s1 to outclass the s5. In all interviews and hints it seems likely itll get RAW externally and possibly even dci 4K internally 

We will find out soon, but im optimistic 

17 hours ago, hyalinejim said:

Love me some 1080p!

A fortnight ago, I shot 5 hrs of interviews for a 5 minute corporate video. 1080p 100mbps all the way. I do lots of jobs like this and like to keep everything I shoot in case a client wants to use it again. I hate when hard drives fill up and I have to deal with offloading projects to external backup. Give me clean 1080p every day of the week!

I shudder when I see specs like "8k, 960mbps". Where is all this footage gonna go?

I feel like the 150mbps 4k 10 bit 422 Long GOP codec in lumix cameras is amazingly robust with no clear signs of compression. 

So sometimes I'd argue that the actual bit rate doesn't matter as much as the compression method. 

With that said, YouTube does have a pretty bad compression method. 

Personally, I upload in the highest possible resolution available when I can. Because you know what looks worse than YouTube 4k? YouTube 1080. 

But yeah vimeo and other sites are easily cleaner. Like 4k on vimeo actually looks like 4k, where as 4k on YouTube looks more like 1080