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I like some of Von Trier's films, I've not seen all of his movies, but there is something to be said about a man who keeps making exactly what he likes regardless of the criticism he's faced over the years. Cannes is simply not the audience for him. I'm working there this year, filming on the red carpets, junkets etc. There's not many fantastic films here compared to previous years, and the ones that stand out tend to be very 'leftist'. A few that spring to mind are 'Girl', about a transgender ballet dancer, 'El Angel' about a homoerotic gangster (based on true events) and 'Sauvage' about a rent boy looking for love. - None of these are competing for the Palms, but 'Girl' in particular is expected to run as Belgium's foreign language Oscar next season. On top of that, 'Total Recall's Paul Verhouven - also of 'Black Book' and 'Elle' announced his next movie, a love story about lesbian nuns called 'Blessed Virgin', which he assured buyers will not be pornographic, but artistic. Oh and then there was 'Star Wars' of course. With this brief list, and of course there are films I've missed out, but where does a hyper violent art movie fit in? Von Trier has never really been loved at Cannes and has previously been banned by the festival after his bazaar nazi comments in the press conference for 'Melancholia'. They're simply not his audience, but as long as they keep accepting his films, he'll keep playing them there. There's no such thing as bad press, and for a Von Trier it almost seems like negative reviews from the press make his real audience want to watch them more. If the general public and movie press don't like a film, then they simply don't understand it right? Luckily, those who can see the subtleties in the art of genital mutilation will stand by their loved Danish director, regardless if they actually like the film or not. Lars has made a name for himself and in many ways, that name is more important than the films he makes. He could piss in a bucket and people would watch it. And honestly, if its filmed like the first scene of 'Antichrist', I'd probably enjoy it too. Sorry for the rant, but to me Cannes rejecting a Von Trier movie is just not news. If they applauded him after the screening, then I would have been surprised. ------- TLDR: just a whole load of BS really

BM are just catching up

I still use the LS300 almost daily for interviews. It's a great camera, and I've said before, I prefer using it to the FS5, although that might be due to lens choices on either cam. We only have the Sony 18-105 on the FS5, which I hate, but the LS has Sigma 18-35, and Canon 50mm 1.8. So that's of course going to change the image ALOT. As far as if that camera is a good buy in 2018, I wouldn't buy it again now, unless they can squeeze RAW output. It's been a great cam for me in the 2 years I've had it, and I've loved using it every time I have, but with the little devil of a camera coming out (hopefully) soon, I'd rather get two of those than an LS300 with the Ninja V. I'll definitely keep and use my LS300 for a little longer though, it really is a great camera and I love the form factor.

Apparently we won't see any rolling shutter - Although I guess if you swing the camera around trying to see it, you will see it.

Ah I missed that, but it makes sense. I'd read about a lot of people hoping Panasonic update for RAW output of the GH5, so assumed the Ninja V was already capable. I was shocked to see that it wasn't, but if they already have the update ready to go, then good stuff.

I was looking on Atomos's site about the Ninja V, and noticed there's no mention of ProRes RAW at all, even on the specs page. https://www.atomos.com/ninjav As far as I can tell, at least for now, it's only the Shogun Inferno and Sumo 19... does anyone know any different? I though since it was announced at NAB, along with the announcement of ProRes RAW, that it was all in the same box, but it seems I was wrong. Sorry if there's another thread for this, I couldn't find it.

My bad, when you said everyone, and then named me on your post, I assumed it was directed at me. You know what they say: to assume is to make an ass of u and me.

@jonpais that's not what I said and you know it. Prores Raw is great for cameras with no internal raw, but doesn't add anything for BM.

Only in this case. I can see why users of cameras that don't have internal raw are interested. But I don't see it offering much that BM already has, other than being able to print thise words on the side of the box. Like they said at NAB, they already have a great RAW workflow that uses open-source CinemaDNG. They have totally uncompressed and 2 differently compressed formats as well. Then Prores HQ 422 and LT. What will ProResRAW give them? A compressed version of something they already have. Cool. I'm not saying it won't be nice to have the option, but I don't think it's a priority for them. At the very least, they might hold onto if for 6 months and release a firmware update, renewing interest in the camera a year after it was announced. EDIT: @John Brawley @jonpais and anyone else, can you take this bullshit somewhere else?

That means it's compressed no? If you're worried about shooting RAW, you also want minimal compression, which BM have offered since day 1. So I don't see why they'd bother with Prores RAW. At this point, it's just a new buzzword .

It's a verified Blackmagic rep. To me it sounds like they didnt understand the question, or got hung up on the wording. Still though, does this camera need Prores RAW? Shooting BMs 'log' at proreshq will be more than enough for anything you need to do. And if you absolutely need raw, they have that I'm a better format than Prores anyway, right?

It doesn't look like BM will go for ProRes RAW, and feel their current implementation of ProRes is more than enough.

No necessarily. I often use a monitor on a tripod. If they're using the new Atomos, you could mount that straight to the camera. Or if, like me, you're planning on using a Zacuto EVF, then you can mount that to the camera with magic arm. A cage is fairly low down on the list of things I'm going to get with this camera. In fact, I'm going to wait and see if someone makes a battery grip before looking at cages.

Ah so the P4K does have IBIS! (In Built Instant Stick)

I think you'd only edit from the original if you're really time pressed. I've opened the file off the SSD from my Atomos to start grading an interview while it's copying to other drives, but would never do any actual editing or work on a full project that way. Here's some more info from BM, the focusing idea sounds interesting.

According to the sticker on the card, this one will just about manage, and is also the cheapest I can find... Whether it actually holds up is another story though: https://www.integralmemory.com/product/ultimapro-x2-cfast-2.0-memory-card

I think a majority of this thread is doing just that. Figuring out just how to make the most of the ports and options it gives and maximizing the life of said ports. Of course there have been a few complaints along the way, but not many considering the length of this thread. I'm fairly sure everyone here will have this camera within a year of its release, and by then the specs and how the camera can be used will all be more concrete. With the little info there is to go on right now, all there is to do is talk about the various ports, which cards to use and how useful that second record button will actually be. I think for the most part. The main people complaining are the people complaining about people who are excited about this camera and want to talk about. I think this quote regarding Twitter applies here: On Twitter, people sometimes say, “Why don’t you keep your opinions to yourself?” I go, “You’re following me. I didn’t tweet at you.” That’s like going to a notice board in the middle of town, seeing a sign for guitar lessons, and yelling, “I DON’T WANT guitar lessons!” Well, it wasn’t for you.

For anyone looking for cards, here's the specs off BM's site. It's based off 30fps, so I imagine double it for 60p? Of course, aim higher than the numbers they suggest for the format you want: 4096 x 2160 CinemaDNG RAW - 270 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 3:1 - 128 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 4:1 - 96 MB/s 3840 x 2160 Apple ProRes 422 HQ - 110 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 - 73.6 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 LT - 51 MB/s Apple ProRes Proxy - 22.4 MB/s
 1920 x 1080 Apple ProRes 422 HQ - 27.5 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 - 18.4 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 LT - 12.75 MB/s Apple ProRes Proxy - 5.6 MB/s

I got the impression you guys were talking about using these thumbdrives in the camera. If you need to use UHSii SD cards, that record at 300mb/s then that thumbdrive with 56mb/s write speed isn't going to cut it. You might get LT 1080p25, but I wouldn't bother personally. As for that one you linked, judging by the prices, $189 for 512gb, that's the same or more than the T5, so I would play it safe and just get that. They both need the cable anyway, defeating the point of looking at thumbdrives as recording media in the first place. As has been stated though, just get internal media and be done with it. The best thing about the USBc for me is charging on the go, in the car or just in a bag if you have a powerbank.

This is the perfect example of guerrilla filmmaking.

The one Mercer and Kisaha were discussing right above my post http://www.poweredbymushkin.com/Home/index.php/products2/item/129-swap/1320-swap-64gb-usb-3-1-type-c-flash-drive-1 I've yet to find a US⚡BC thumb drive that is fast enough to use with this camera.

I'd double check write speeds of those little drives. That one is only 65mbs.

Well, SanDisk pro is 95mb/s right? Can't you open a file from that camera and see the data rate?

Not sure if you saw my previous posts pondering the same thing. But I found CFast 2.0 readers can also read and write CFast 1.0, so I'm fairly certain the camera will too. Atomos used 1.0 for their Ninja Star, and it can handle 1080p ProResHQ, but that device only goes up to 25/30p. I imagine you'll get at least the same with the P4K, but you might even be able to push it further. I'm hoping I can get at least 4K25p LT with the 1.0, but we'll see. As stated in a previous post, C.Fast 1.0 is rated at 80mb/s write speed and BM website states 4K prores422 is 73.6mb/s and LT is 51mb/s (I think based on 25p) - Am I right in assuming this looks good for C.Fast 1.0 owners?

Also discussing the practicality of a new recording media, that happens to be the cheapest way per gb to film with this camera at its highest settings. But you're right, let's get back to talking about all the footage we've seen.