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It's a verified Blackmagic rep. To me it sounds like they didnt understand the question, or got hung up on the wording. Still though, does this camera need Prores RAW? Shooting BMs 'log' at proreshq will be more than enough for anything you need to do. And if you absolutely need raw, they have that I'm a better format than Prores anyway, right?

It doesn't look like BM will go for ProRes RAW, and feel their current implementation of ProRes is more than enough.

No necessarily. I often use a monitor on a tripod. If they're using the new Atomos, you could mount that straight to the camera. Or if, like me, you're planning on using a Zacuto EVF, then you can mount that to the camera with magic arm. A cage is fairly low down on the list of things I'm going to get with this camera. In fact, I'm going to wait and see if someone makes a battery grip before looking at cages.

Ah so the P4K does have IBIS! (In Built Instant Stick)

I think you'd only edit from the original if you're really time pressed. I've opened the file off the SSD from my Atomos to start grading an interview while it's copying to other drives, but would never do any actual editing or work on a full project that way. Here's some more info from BM, the focusing idea sounds interesting.

According to the sticker on the card, this one will just about manage, and is also the cheapest I can find... Whether it actually holds up is another story though: https://www.integralmemory.com/product/ultimapro-x2-cfast-2.0-memory-card

I think a majority of this thread is doing just that. Figuring out just how to make the most of the ports and options it gives and maximizing the life of said ports. Of course there have been a few complaints along the way, but not many considering the length of this thread. I'm fairly sure everyone here will have this camera within a year of its release, and by then the specs and how the camera can be used will all be more concrete. With the little info there is to go on right now, all there is to do is talk about the various ports, which cards to use and how useful that second record button will actually be. I think for the most part. The main people complaining are the people complaining about people who are excited about this camera and want to talk about. I think this quote regarding Twitter applies here: On Twitter, people sometimes say, “Why don’t you keep your opinions to yourself?” I go, “You’re following me. I didn’t tweet at you.” That’s like going to a notice board in the middle of town, seeing a sign for guitar lessons, and yelling, “I DON’T WANT guitar lessons!” Well, it wasn’t for you.

For anyone looking for cards, here's the specs off BM's site. It's based off 30fps, so I imagine double it for 60p? Of course, aim higher than the numbers they suggest for the format you want: 4096 x 2160 CinemaDNG RAW - 270 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 3:1 - 128 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 4:1 - 96 MB/s 3840 x 2160 Apple ProRes 422 HQ - 110 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 - 73.6 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 LT - 51 MB/s Apple ProRes Proxy - 22.4 MB/s
 1920 x 1080 Apple ProRes 422 HQ - 27.5 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 - 18.4 MB/s Apple ProRes 422 LT - 12.75 MB/s Apple ProRes Proxy - 5.6 MB/s

I got the impression you guys were talking about using these thumbdrives in the camera. If you need to use UHSii SD cards, that record at 300mb/s then that thumbdrive with 56mb/s write speed isn't going to cut it. You might get LT 1080p25, but I wouldn't bother personally. As for that one you linked, judging by the prices, $189 for 512gb, that's the same or more than the T5, so I would play it safe and just get that. They both need the cable anyway, defeating the point of looking at thumbdrives as recording media in the first place. As has been stated though, just get internal media and be done with it. The best thing about the USBc for me is charging on the go, in the car or just in a bag if you have a powerbank.

This is the perfect example of guerrilla filmmaking.

The one Mercer and Kisaha were discussing right above my post http://www.poweredbymushkin.com/Home/index.php/products2/item/129-swap/1320-swap-64gb-usb-3-1-type-c-flash-drive-1 I've yet to find a US⚡BC thumb drive that is fast enough to use with this camera.

I'd double check write speeds of those little drives. That one is only 65mbs.

Well, SanDisk pro is 95mb/s right? Can't you open a file from that camera and see the data rate?

Not sure if you saw my previous posts pondering the same thing. But I found CFast 2.0 readers can also read and write CFast 1.0, so I'm fairly certain the camera will too. Atomos used 1.0 for their Ninja Star, and it can handle 1080p ProResHQ, but that device only goes up to 25/30p. I imagine you'll get at least the same with the P4K, but you might even be able to push it further. I'm hoping I can get at least 4K25p LT with the 1.0, but we'll see. As stated in a previous post, C.Fast 1.0 is rated at 80mb/s write speed and BM website states 4K prores422 is 73.6mb/s and LT is 51mb/s (I think based on 25p) - Am I right in assuming this looks good for C.Fast 1.0 owners?

Also discussing the practicality of a new recording media, that happens to be the cheapest way per gb to film with this camera at its highest settings. But you're right, let's get back to talking about all the footage we've seen.

I'm going to get some velcro. stick the rough side on the side of my tripod head, so the cable doesn't tighten with pans or tilts, and the the soft side on the SSD. Also, if there's space, I'll add some rough side onto the bottom of the camera, so long as it doesn't interfere with a tripod plate. That way I can go handheld and not worry so much. I'm hoping you can get right angle USBc cables and then there's nothing to worry about really, since in theory everything will be flush(ish) with the body. No hanging wires etc. You might also be able to modify the rubber caps on that side to help keep the cable in somehow... With all of this said though, it might just not be a problem and BM haveade a way for the socket to hold onto the cable with no problems...

Even if you have 1tb media? If so, like others have suggested, disconnect the drive from the cable, not the cable from the camera during the shoot. My mistake. Don't you feel leaving in an extender could do more damage though? It's something to get caught when you're putting the camera in or taking it out of the bag, something to snag onto your hand as you reach to focus the lens, another connection to go loose midtake (unless you use epoxy). My feeling is I will only use the USB if all my other media is full, or if the camera's locked off on a tripod and I can fix the drive onto the tripod leg with some velcro. Minimizing any risks. trying to go handheld with a cable that doesn't lock in won't be worth the risk to me. That said, I'm fairly certain someone will make an SSD cage, complete with USB clamp on both ends. I imagine playback will work fine. Thinking about it, I've not seen any blinky lights by the card slot, so it'll alert you in the same way you know you're recording to the SD. most likely with space or time left on the selected media. should the cable slip out, you probably get an error message and any blinky red recording lights on the monitor and tally lamp will stop. Does the drive have a little read/write led? Most hard drives do, but I don't know about this one. Judging by this photo, it tells you how much you can record to the media connected to the camera. And it'll be hard to miss if it stops recording for any reason.

If you're having trouble with USBc slipping out, follow @BTM_Pix advice and epoxy it into the camera Seems like a very poor design that the end of the camera has nothing for the port to grab onto, like every other cable end. Maybe you can buy ones with a right angle , so it's harder to be yanked out? Judging by this picture though, there are a few little notches that should help hold it in. I would have thought it'll take ages for all of them to wear out. I'm willing to bet @Tone1k charges his phone every day, but this USBc port isn't going to see quite so much daily action.

Even then it's not so simple. BM have photos of this camera being used in a multicam setup with one operator. If I was that operator, I'd have all the cameras linked up to monitors and have the monitors in a line. Similarly, I regularly shoot interviews and ask the questions, I always have a monitor on a tripod next to me to check focus and framing during the conversation. The lens poking right over my shoulder, so it's easy to reach up and adjust focus/framing if the talent moves a little bit. On top of that, if someone else is conducting the interview and I'm filming. More often than not everyone is sitting down, apart from me. Having monitor on top of the camera means I won't break my back leaning down to see the frame the whole time. Point being, tripod shots will also benefit from a monitor.

I'm too late to edit my above question, but I've just read that Cfast 2.0 USB readers can read Cfast 1.0 cards, so it stands to reason, the camera will as well. It's just a case of working out if you can record anything to them worthwhile. Is it worth having it in there if you can only record 1080p25 proxy? Or might it manage 4k LT? To know, we'll just have to wait until they arrive. Also, there's some very basic questions being asked, but in the interest of having the latest info:

Can you use cfast 1.0 in the 2.0 slot? If so, what resolution and formats are reasonable to expect? Cfast 1.0 is rated at 80mb/s

BM have confirmed the HDMI is 1080p only, at whatever frame rate you're set to film in. So if the camera is recording 4K60p, HDMI is outputting 1080p60. I have a question for anyone who knows about C.Fast. I have the Atomos Star with a 128gb C.Fast card (not 2.0) it's rated 80mb/s write speed. Can I use this in the C.Fast 2.0 slot? If so, in a stretch, what formats/resolutions do you predict I can record. Would it manage 4K Prores 422 or LT at 50p? Am I limited to 1080p25? BM website states 4K prores422 is 73.6mb/s and LT is 51mb/s. If it can handle any kind of 4K, even if it's the lowest possible configuration, it's going to be great to have that card as an in camera backup to get me out of any tight spots... fingers crossed.

Gotcha. I don't think they'll be adding SDI into this camera though. It's too late in the game and if they do hit delays, as so many people are expecting them to, it'll be blamed on adding SDI, which is a feature not a great deal of users will want/need. It's not just a port you stick on the edge of a camera, there's a whole load of extra wiring/programming needed. I understand there are plenty of people here that would want it, but there are likely just as many, if not more silent people looking to buy this camera who aren't that bothered either way, and are perfectly happy with HDMI. Excuse my ignorance, but aside from it's locking connection, what does SDI offer that HDMI doesn't? Can't you just get those HDMI locking systems and call it a day?

Well, that depends what you want the monitor for in the first place. If you just want to be able to frame the shot while you're not directly behind the camera, anything will do, even a $30 monitor. Just set the exposure etc based on the built in screen. I'm planning to use my Zacuto ZFinder EVF for outdoor shoots, and can also use it as an articulating monitor should I need to. That's far from a high end monitor.

I've been building up a shopping list for when this comes in the post and I noticed something pretty strange here. The Samsung T5 drive prices are: 500gb - €173 or 1tb - €385 By my math, you save €40, if you just get 2 500gb drives, and that's going to be much easier to manage. You can then also split the costs over time if you need to. Similarly, the WD SSD USBc drives (which are tiny by the way) are priced: 512gb - €169 or 1tb - €355 So you save €15 and get an extra 24gb if you get 2 x 512gb Does that strike you as strange? I always thought if you get the bigger drive, you'd save some money. EDIT: The 250gb T5 is €109 and 256gb WD is €107, so you do save money if you get the 500gb/512gb versions. I wonder why this 'saving' isn't replicated on even further.