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Yeah but with 20% tax - in NL we're at 21% so it messes with my reports and could open up some holes which I simply can't be bothered to deal with. I'd rather just wait a day or two for a store here to open preorders if need be.

Yeah, I mean declaring my tax at te end of the year. It's easier to just pay in euros to start with and not worry about conversions and different tax rates.

Can anyone hook me up with a pre-order in Netherlands? Would go to cvp but gotta think about the tax man.

Not jumping off my chair. In fact, settling down into it.

BM looks a little wider, but a lot shorter then. Since it doesn't have the VF bump. Makes sense, I would have thought it has a wider screen due to being a video focused camera. Photo cams tend to have a more squared LCD

Does anyone have a photo of a GH5 with that lens for a handy size comparison?

I don't think any part of it is detachable aside from the lens. I assume that's just lines in design. The battery and storage more than likely goes inside the grip, so what's the use in taking it off?

Does anyone know of a link to stream the announcement/reveal/event?

I quite like the design. Kind of retro, and it reminds me of the Panasonic DVX100, which I really loved back in the days of DV tapes.

I'm aware of BMs track record with announcing a camera and then shipping it. But what are people's estimations on the release of this one? Will it be available to order within a week, month or year. Place your bets!

Is anyone talking about internal Prores Raw for this? At least in a future upgrade. That would be incredible.

Don't buy what? I've said a few times that I'm not looking to buy anything, but thought there was an interesting (or not) comparison to be made.

I never said it was the best thing to show up to a shoot with, only that it can work. I know it's cheap, it looks cheap and feels cheap, but in my experience it does the job. I'd rather use it than not. I'm still unclear why a BMPC won't work on it. It's seems like you guys simply wouldnt want to use, which is fine, but then say so and don't present it as facts.

Alright, I obviously read it all wrong, my bad. I still don't think that's a statement of fact though. Can you explain why it wouldn't work? as I said before, I used that exact plastic rig with an FS5 yesterday, all day and it worked perfectly, so I'm struggling to see why a smaller, lighter camera won't work.

I have, both filming the exact same thing. As per B&H, the BM is larger, but it's far from comparing a GH5 to an FS5. BMPC - 6.53 x 4.45 x 4.96" - 3.75 lb GH5 - 5.5 x 3.9 x 3.4" - 1.59 lb Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but there is a lot of hostility around something I thought could be an interesting comparison. I am reading and understanding comments, and trying to argue points that might have been overlooked like the fact that you have to have external audio on the BM... You also do on the GH if you want to use it. Thanks again everyone for contributing.

Ah cool, reading the rest of the comments since my last has given me more information. Like I say, I have no interest in buying either camera, but at my first glance they seemed like they're for similar markets... As made abundantly clear now, they are not. That's why we ask questions huh? @IronFilm I've seen at least 3 go kitted out for €900 here, which is what got me thinking. @cantsin I still don't get that. It works fine with an FS5 so why not the BMPC? I didn't realise about the battery, it didn't even cross my mind to look if you could take the battery out... What a crazy design. That said, hanging on to my ignorance, knowing I have never used either camera, I still find it hard to believe there's much in it once you learn the limitations of each camera. Since they're more or less the same size though, isn't it more like replacing a classic sports car with a Tesla? They're both great, but one runs on batteries and self drives (Gh5 with ibs) and the other is discontinued and needs a bit of tinkering after a days drive (BMPC with raw). Thanks all, I feel enlightened and comfortable with the camera I'd chose at the end of the day.

Thanks Jon, but could I ask you to expand a little more? A run 'n gun camera can be whatever camera is nearest. Imagine not getting the shot because you were holding a BMPC instead of the GH5 that in your bag. Like I said, for events, sure BMPC isn't the best, but for more or less everything else, it seems to come out on top. I also can't see why a monopod or that rig won't work. In fact, I had an FS5 on that one just yesterday and it was perfect for the moment. While filming, the weight of the camera was still in my hands, but I could brace it against my body for stabilisation. Then when I'm not actively filming, my shoulder took the weight and my hand was just to stop it falling. Why would it be any different for any other camera? Yes, perhaps you're right. Like any camera comparison, though, there's no clear answer. I feel like I'm being biased, and don't mean to be, I don't own either camera and don't plan on buying one or the other, it's purely hypothetical interest. In fact, I use a GX80 as an easy to grab b-cam, so if anything should favour the GH5 which shares many great features and adds a whole load more.

According to B&H there's not a HUGE deal of size difference though, but BM is over twice the weight. BMPC - 6.53 x 4.45 x 4.96" - 3.75 lb GH5 - 5.5 x 3.9 x 3.4" - 1.59 lb Also, from what I understand, you have the low ISO (don't go about 800 I've read), but a much bigger sensor, so you can't simply compare those numbers to compare image brightness. Then you can push and pull the ProRes or RAW recordings a lot more, so can probably brighten it a lot on post and still maintain a lot of the detail... again, not used the camera so don't know for sure. Depending on your own lens collection, I wouldn't count being unable to use MFT lenses as a negative, and could argue that since you don't need a speed booster, is a much bigger positive point for the BMPC. Especially because, going back to price, to get that speed booster is only a little cheaper than buying the BMPC anyway. You could have 2 for less than a GH5 with speed booster! I don't mean to sound argumentative, and hope this is being read as a discussion. Aside from the IBS and battery life I still feel the BMPC - or even two at this point - would suit a lot of styles of shooting better than a GH5, especially if it's your bread and butter. Either any monopod or this would solve the stabilisation issue and you can just buy more batteries.

Ah gotcha, I'm not looking to buy either camera, but I was just wondering why what appears to be the perfect 'small' camera is so overlooked. (I know perfect cameras are subjective) To me, based on your comment, battery and stabilisation seems to be the biggest reason. I would argue that the GH5 also needs external audio if you actually plan on using it. If you don't plan on using it, then that's not really much different for either cam - it might make syncing a little harder without scratch, but not a huge deal. I would imagine if you're using a GH5 in the same capacity as a C300 or FS, you've also got it on a rig. By then, you're not exactly much smaller than the BMPC on a rig. Especially if you still wanted to record in ProRes, adding a 7 inch monitor, you're actually a lot heavier and bigger than the BMPC for the same(ish) results. I've never used either, so it's all speculation, but I think I'd still sooner pickup a kitted out BMPC and save some dosh while I'm at it. It seems ideal for documentaries and shorts a like. The only place I can see a GH5 being the better solution is for event coverage.

I've recently been wondering what the GH5 has over the BMPC 4k. Now that it's a few years old and has been discontinued for a while, you can get fantastic deals on the BMPC, even fully kitted out with SSD included, and a whole rig, for quite a lot less than a GH5, yet the GH5 seems to be a favourite here and almost everywhere. As far as I can see, the only advantage of a GH5 is 4k50p output and a rotating screen... Am I missing something? Is it simply that the BMPC is old news, and all the excitement is on page 400 of this forum, while the GH5 is still new and dominating the front pages? From what I've seen, even now, I'd sooner by the BMPC 4K over GH5, but fear I might be missing something somewhere. Please enlighten me!

we have the 4K Video Assist as our inhouse recorder, which I guess is why I assumed the Assassin would create those .mxfs. I have an Assassin that's my own, and I use more because I have more experience with it. I can use the Video Assist when I need to, but prefer the Atomos if it's there with me. I don't think it's worth getting the BM just for .mxf, but if they introduce 4K50p - that'll be worth the upgrade for other projects. @Mmmbeats - I guess you're right, it just doesn't seem to have any benefits to the workflow right now. Can't hurt to stick with it though I suppose.

After shooting some tests, I found shooting DNxHD on the Assassin gives me .MOV files anyway, so I might as well stick with ProRes and encode to our .mxf format. At least that way I can review them in quick look on my laptop after a shoot. Thanks for the advice @webrunner5

Oh man, tell me about it, I'd much rather be on Avid, but like you said, affordability to having running on 50+ suits. Then you also need to train those editors on it since most of them at my place have come from an FCP (not X) background. Premiere is basically the same, but Avid is a different kind of animal.

We shoot tonnes. But it's also for broadcast where 1080i is the standard and we try to get the correct colour in camera, so don't need much more than what LT provides. We're cutting in Premiere, so the projects need to be able to be opened on both Windows and Mac. .mxf is to get away from quicktime I guess.

Hey all, At work, we recently added a whole load of Windows edit suits and in order to have files play nicely on both Windows and Apple we're switching from shooting everything in ProRes to DNxHR where possible. Otherwise encoding is ok, but time consuming. I shoot with an Atomos Assassin and realised when switching that I'm totally unfamiliar with the codec. I almost always shoot 4K internal for archive, and ProRes LT 1080i on the Assassin for a quick turn around. What's the closest alternative? Ideally ending up with something in an .mxf wrapper. My options for 1080i are: DNxHR 220x, 220, 145, 36 - I'm assuming the 145 is the best option/match?