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I've quoted this before during the G9ii saga but, yes, its right there on the front page of the Micro Four Thirds association official website.

That was the point at which they changed from being "Alternative Music" to "An Alternative To Similar Types Of Music".
They went from being The Smiths to being Coldplay basically.
He is absolutely churning the content out at the moment for some reason.
If you went for this version of the Zfc you could live in both an under $1500 world and a Barbie world simultaneously.

I've quoted this before during the G9ii saga but, yes, its right there on the front page of the Micro Four Thirds association official website.

That was the point at which they changed from being "Alternative Music" to "An Alternative To Similar Types Of Music".
They went from being The Smiths to being Coldplay basically.
He is absolutely churning the content out at the moment for some reason.
If you went for this version of the Zfc you could live in both an under $1500 world and a Barbie world simultaneously.

I've quoted this before during the G9ii saga but, yes, its right there on the front page of the Micro Four Thirds association official website.

That was the point at which they changed from being "Alternative Music" to "An Alternative To Similar Types Of Music".
They went from being The Smiths to being Coldplay basically.
He is absolutely churning the content out at the moment for some reason.
If you went for this version of the Zfc you could live in both an under $1500 world and a Barbie world simultaneously.

Panasonic showed their hand with the G9ii about how they view the new generation of MFT cameras really.
Depending on your point of view its either an S5ii with a tiny sensor or a G7 in a massive overcoat but the net result is the same in that its just not size appropriate to where everyone wants to see MFT.
So the "new" GX85 will not be coming from Panasonic.
But it is there in cameras like the a6700 or even the Nikon Z30 both of which have excellent fast primes from Sigma to balance the body size with the lens size but more importantly can shrink that further by deploying the secret weapon of the TechArt adapters to open up the M mount lenses.
Even on the Fp, using M mounts like the 35mm f2 7Artisans I have here produce very comparable total package sizes than if you were using MFT lenses with similar speed.

The huge difference with using E or Z mount cameras is that with the TechArt you get full AF of these MF M mount lenses as well as being able to do the same trick with an intermediate adapter for other compact lenses such as the Nikon Series E stuff.
With the e mount you can also use the wafer thin MFT to E mount adapter to mount any existing MF MFT lenses on to it like Meike cine primes etc.
If I was looking for an upgrade to a GX85 then I'd be giving the a6700 with M mount a serious look.
 

Its not compulsory 😄
Or even either or.
I was just making the point that M mount is a route for keeping lens sizes compact and in proportion for both small bodies but also in general for those occasions where you want to remain discrete.
For everything else or all other times or somewhere in between  you can use the E mount with native lenses.
With the a6700 being APS-C then this gives you access to smaller AF lenses than FF.
If you use the Sigma ones then they are exactly the same size as the MFT ones so you gain the bigger sensor and the better balance as the camera has a bit more heft and of course the step change in AF and internal 10 bit.
Admittedly, it might go on fire but for those first ten minutes it will be a dream.
Well, here is interesting and an object lesson in not taking everything says on the internet at face value !

This is the Nikon version and as the Sony version also has a mark 2 version then I had presumed that this would be included on that one too.
However, it doesn't explicitly state that it does or it doesn't so it would have to be confirmed by someone who has the new version and if it didn't at launch has it been addressed with firmware.
So, unless someone chimes in who actually owns a v2, I'd take it that the Sony version likely doesn't have continuous AF-C in video mode. It certainly does in stills mode but thats moot for most people (I use the original version with an A7Rii purely for stills as a (very) poor mans Leica M10 with AF).
 

Panasonic showed their hand with the G9ii about how they view the new generation of MFT cameras really.
Depending on your point of view its either an S5ii with a tiny sensor or a G7 in a massive overcoat but the net result is the same in that its just not size appropriate to where everyone wants to see MFT.
So the "new" GX85 will not be coming from Panasonic.
But it is there in cameras like the a6700 or even the Nikon Z30 both of which have excellent fast primes from Sigma to balance the body size with the lens size but more importantly can shrink that further by deploying the secret weapon of the TechArt adapters to open up the M mount lenses.
Even on the Fp, using M mounts like the 35mm f2 7Artisans I have here produce very comparable total package sizes than if you were using MFT lenses with similar speed.

The huge difference with using E or Z mount cameras is that with the TechArt you get full AF of these MF M mount lenses as well as being able to do the same trick with an intermediate adapter for other compact lenses such as the Nikon Series E stuff.
With the e mount you can also use the wafer thin MFT to E mount adapter to mount any existing MF MFT lenses on to it like Meike cine primes etc.
If I was looking for an upgrade to a GX85 then I'd be giving the a6700 with M mount a serious look.
 

Primarily because of the grip so if you add one to the Fp (and most people do) then it narrows the gap.
If you add the EVF into the mix then the optional one for the Fp (which I love by the way) makes the a6700 the winner.
But has IBIS, internal 10 bit, s-cinetone, AF that is on another level to it, tilt screen, gyro data for post stabilisation etc.
And maybe even AF of M mount lenses 😀
Again, its not an either or situation so for some people the Fp will be a better pick because it is smaller, has RAW versus compressed, has a bigger sensor and they might not care about AF or stabilisation at all.
I am that someone a lot of the time with the Fp but, on balance, I think I'd be taking the a6700 as an all rounder in a lot of situations over it if I had one.
As @MrSMW mentions, the A7Cii is then also in the mix if you want the option of both FF but also APS-C for compactness.
 
 

Its not compulsory 😄
Or even either or.
I was just making the point that M mount is a route for keeping lens sizes compact and in proportion for both small bodies but also in general for those occasions where you want to remain discrete.
For everything else or all other times or somewhere in between  you can use the E mount with native lenses.
With the a6700 being APS-C then this gives you access to smaller AF lenses than FF.
If you use the Sigma ones then they are exactly the same size as the MFT ones so you gain the bigger sensor and the better balance as the camera has a bit more heft and of course the step change in AF and internal 10 bit.
Admittedly, it might go on fire but for those first ten minutes it will be a dream.
Well, here is interesting and an object lesson in not taking everything says on the internet at face value !

This is the Nikon version and as the Sony version also has a mark 2 version then I had presumed that this would be included on that one too.
However, it doesn't explicitly state that it does or it doesn't so it would have to be confirmed by someone who has the new version and if it didn't at launch has it been addressed with firmware.
So, unless someone chimes in who actually owns a v2, I'd take it that the Sony version likely doesn't have continuous AF-C in video mode. It certainly does in stills mode but thats moot for most people (I use the original version with an A7Rii purely for stills as a (very) poor mans Leica M10 with AF).
 

Panasonic showed their hand with the G9ii about how they view the new generation of MFT cameras really.
Depending on your point of view its either an S5ii with a tiny sensor or a G7 in a massive overcoat but the net result is the same in that its just not size appropriate to where everyone wants to see MFT.
So the "new" GX85 will not be coming from Panasonic.
But it is there in cameras like the a6700 or even the Nikon Z30 both of which have excellent fast primes from Sigma to balance the body size with the lens size but more importantly can shrink that further by deploying the secret weapon of the TechArt adapters to open up the M mount lenses.
Even on the Fp, using M mounts like the 35mm f2 7Artisans I have here produce very comparable total package sizes than if you were using MFT lenses with similar speed.

The huge difference with using E or Z mount cameras is that with the TechArt you get full AF of these MF M mount lenses as well as being able to do the same trick with an intermediate adapter for other compact lenses such as the Nikon Series E stuff.
With the e mount you can also use the wafer thin MFT to E mount adapter to mount any existing MF MFT lenses on to it like Meike cine primes etc.
If I was looking for an upgrade to a GX85 then I'd be giving the a6700 with M mount a serious look.
 

To be fair, it seems like you specifically want Panasonic to continue making these cameras? Sony has the RX0 and ZV line that are pretty impressive. Although, recently discontinued, the Canon M200 is as tiny of an ILC that you can get. Then you have the Osmo Pocket, Insta360, GoPro, etc... there are tons of options.
For some reason, every other company, except for Panasonic and BM, get a ton of crap on this forum with comments like Cripple Hammer, or whatever, but Panasonic gets a pass because they offer waveforms or something... but I feel like Panasonic is the worst of them all. In the past 3 years Canon has been the biggest innovator and are still making small DSLM cameras... look at the R50 or R100... they're pretty small. An R8 full frame camera with 10bit and cLog3 costs $1299. You can get a Sigma FP for $1000 used and not much more new...
There are options... just not from Panasonic because they only care about full frame now, or they think any worthwhile m4/3 camera should be priced at $2000.

I suspect sailboat man and plane man likely have much the same "its all relative" outlook about their purchases when they consider that you've paid nearly $100K for a telly.
More power to your elbow for being in the position to do so and buying whatever you want though, as you can't take it with you.
George Best had the right idea.

As I'm quite interested in getting a 4K laser projector, that Sony VPL-GTZ380 mentioned earlier piqued my interest so I might have a look into that as it could.....hang on...let me google it.....christ on a fucking bike.
I mean, seriously, genuinely well played for being able to afford to buy that but christ on a fucking bike.
 

I will be using the Sony VPL-GTZ380 in the presentation when pleading my case to the wife regarding the €2100 LG Cinebeam that I've got my eye on.
"Listen, it could be a lot worse love".

I suspect sailboat man and plane man likely have much the same "its all relative" outlook about their purchases when they consider that you've paid nearly $100K for a telly.
More power to your elbow for being in the position to do so and buying whatever you want though, as you can't take it with you.
George Best had the right idea.

This also happened to me on here by the way.
Someone was asking about the Contax Zeiss 35-70mm f3.4 and I was lamenting the fact that I'd gone for the wrong option short zoom and should have bought that one and saying that I didn't think anyone on here had one.
.
Meanwhile over in the lens thread a good 15 months earlier, there I am posting samples from my, erm, Contax Zeiss 35-70mm f3.4. 
Its a disease.
 

My bank account would vouch that my second Sigma DP3m is testament to the latter.
 

This also happened to me on here by the way.
Someone was asking about the Contax Zeiss 35-70mm f3.4 and I was lamenting the fact that I'd gone for the wrong option short zoom and should have bought that one and saying that I didn't think anyone on here had one.
.
Meanwhile over in the lens thread a good 15 months earlier, there I am posting samples from my, erm, Contax Zeiss 35-70mm f3.4. 
Its a disease.
 

This also happened to me on here by the way.
Someone was asking about the Contax Zeiss 35-70mm f3.4 and I was lamenting the fact that I'd gone for the wrong option short zoom and should have bought that one and saying that I didn't think anyone on here had one.
.
Meanwhile over in the lens thread a good 15 months earlier, there I am posting samples from my, erm, Contax Zeiss 35-70mm f3.4. 
Its a disease.
 

I don't know which would be worse..   remembering a camera you'd forgotten about, or not remembering!!

My bank account would vouch that my second Sigma DP3m is testament to the latter.
 

That could be the motto of this forum.

That could be the motto of this forum.

That could be the motto of this forum.

>EDIT
Wrong thread.

Quite fascinating, not to mention revealing, videos on how Sigma manufacture their lenses and FP/FP-L cameras.