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Yeah in case it wasn't yet clear for anyone by now: EOS R has bad RS and a crop in 4K. R5 will be bringing 8K RAW / 4K120p 10-bit 4:2:2. No crop. With DPAF. That's in only second generation jump. Alpha series however are in their 4th gen and still capping at UHD 30p 8-bit 100mbps XAVC-S codec. Everyone is free to think what they want about brands/models/specs, and make their own assumptions but those are the facts folks.

What I'm saying is I didn't find it to be as distracting as others are making it to be, then again I prefer a stable handheld shot then a floating gimbal look. I do know what you mean about the jumpiness though, it was there on XH1. It is disappoint to know they haven't sorted that out with all the talk of improved IBIS spring tech.

Yeah I don't see 8K as the main attraction, but more as a bonus really. I'd only use it sparingly for money shots. Just like I did ML RAW on my old 5D3. YMMV.

^ see the real use cases I've added. as for "actors & actresses", 35mm film the cinema standard for decades already resolves at an equivalent of 6K. and 70mm film (IMAX) is typically scanned at 11K. of course most projections and finishes are still in DCI 2K but 8K footage simply isn't as far-fetched as you may think.

Static shots look fine though, can't help but feel this IBIS issue is overblown by those expecting gimbal results. I think I'm about to pull trigger on a XT4. Coming from an XT2 it will surely blow my mind. That is unless I go for a sigma FP. 🤔

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. It isn't about saving 8K files for later. It's about you're 2020 camera investment having lasting power for the years to come. Personally, I hate flipping gear. the longer I can own a camera the better. Hell I still find use for my 2012 C100 or my 2005 5D Classic. Some people still use/love the 1DC, even though its 4K isn't supersampled or even no crop. So I think it will be many years if not a decade before this 8K no crop RAW / 4K120p no crop 10-bit 4:2:2 camera will be "obsolete". Go ahead, mark my words. As for the 8K itself, my current iMac Pro has 5K resolution so already out resolves 4K footage. 8K isn't a distant future for me as I'll be seeing the benefits immediately. Real case use? I already use cropping a lot in 4K to macro inside timepieces, jewellery or even package shots in general. I could see a wedding videographer using this just to get that ring money shot from a distance without ruining the scene for guests or having to go 400mm and miss the overall candid atmosphere. 8K would allow 2-in-1. Having multiple video custom settings on the R system also means you can switch 4K to 8K as well as HFR on the fly. Very practical for above scenarios and just grabbing money shots in general.

Yeah I'm into certain niche items myself and I've brought back some gems, just never had the time to go on deep dive search missions. Promising myself to go there solo next in order to really nerd out. Maybe find me some of those Canon FD dream lenses & other esoteric gear!

@PaulUsher Couldn't have said it better myself. I've been using the R as a B-CAM to C100/C200 for Multicam shoots and it intercuts perfectly. It also of course doubles as a mirrorless 5D stills cam. All my DSLR flash accessories etc work perfectly on it. That's another great thing about Canon, cameras just work. Easy to operate. AF, WB, exposure always nailed. Clear menus, ergonomics. Anyways, I was thinking of dropping my C200 in favour of my FS7, but with no A7S3 on the horizon, I'm now thinking R5+C200 may be a better combo. Probably will wait a little longer but FS7 might actually get the axe. Again bad move on Sony delaying video oriented Alpha cam.

RAW is 8K only, 4K is 10-bit 4:2:2. How useful is 8K? Nobody knows as nobody here has probably ever shot in it. Kinda uncharted territory but I can think of a few uses. Just like when ML gave us 5D2/5D3 users RAW. Files were enormous, recording time very limited.. but for those quick money shots it was the beez neez! It will eventually become standard so it's also a future-proof investment. Bit like the 1DC (minus the price).

Yeah I can imagine it being a tad harder to circulate/communicate pre-google map, auto-translate app era. Almost too easy now! Shopping wise it remains the Mecca for me but not so much in a tech sense as I can imagine it once was (Akihabara was pretty underwhelming tbh). Speaking of nostalgia, the fact they still have things like Tower Records totally blew my mind. I felt like Marty McFly in Back to the Future!

Not to act all millennial but Tokyo still felt plenty foreign enough for me in 2019 and looks a lot more exciting today than it was in 1991. Nostalgia is a powerful thing but not everything was better before. We just hit the reset button anyways. +1 on Sigma FP video review

What you haven't heard? Canon Egypt gave the green-light for the R5 dentist undergrad beta test program! 🎬 🎬 🎬

Actually, while picture profiles are the same in both modes, in video mode on EOS R / 1DX3 in the Log settings you have two color options: Neutral matrix & Original EOS Cinema. One could argue that for a video centric color accuracy test, cameras should be tested in their various log modes and have a standard Rec709 LUT applied and then compare results. I have a feeling that Canon in the Neutral matrix setting might be more accurate.

Mostly websites, forums.. my personal experience is pretty poor with Sony but it’s mainly because of WB issues. A7S had a massive green cast, A7S2 gave bart simpson skin tones. On FS7 i shoot in Cine EI mode so WB becomes irrelevant but you still gotta work on it in post. Fuji I found had one of the best WB and a nice roll-off. Film simulations are fun too.

well they use the same sensors to begin with... other than that I'm not really a fan of such tests it's like pixel peeping for color. thankfully there is no color accuracy category at film award shows

Don't worry about the R5 bashers. Haters gonna hate. Watch em come around in couple months.. CS is a tricky subject, there are a few dedicated threads about it here. Most of them don't end well lol.. Canon is known for their warm skin tones and Reds that pop. Clog is also pretty easy to grade. RAW 14-bit is glorious. Pleasing CS doesn't necessarily mean accurate colours though. Strangely you will often find Sony on top of color accuracy rankings. In the real world however, Sony are often last in the CS preferences. doesn't help their WB craps out as soon as mixed lighting comes in. That said I love Venice CS and shoot almost exclusively with the Venice LUT on my FS7. I haven't worked with recent BM cams but generally speaking the ProRes & RAW footage from them grades beautifully. My problem with BM is they can be unreliable cameras. Some Ursa Mini 4.6K had magenta cast issues for example. Very difficult to get rid of.

Oh I agree with you. I just don't think it's in Sony's philosophy to let imaging outgun cine division like that. It wasn't Canons either for years, story has it R5 was made possible by cine & imaging divisions working hand in hand (I assume last time that happened was with 1DC). I hear you on the cycle thing. They could also be kicking it back watching the completion unfold all their cards and step in later with a sledge hammer. Dangerous game though.

I don't see 8-bit RAW as a "flaw" but your initial FP review made it sound like a disappointment: Andrew Reid: 8bit and RAW are not good bedfellows, when people tend to look at RAW, they’re attracted to the fact that it’s such a high bit-depth because of the dynamic range is one of the biggest reasons people use RAW, and 8bit curtails that (like in Magic Lantern in 10bit / 8bit modes) This was probably before you had time to spend working on the actual 8-bit RAW footage. So I take it your opinion has changed? I have no doubt 8-bit RAW beats A73 8-bit. But how does it hold up to 10-bit RAW? What about file size? I also noticed FP had a few more cine/video oriented picture profiles such as the O&T you showcase in the article. What is your opinion on these profiles? Its really hard finding good video profiles on consumer cameras. I can only think of Eterna & Leica's Cine as really good dedicated ones. This appears crucial for the FP as it lacks Log. Any word from Sigma about that btw?

Deep Impact is a 90s flick, it was shot on 35mm film with an ARRIFLEX. Strange example to bring up in a CS discussion about digital cinema. I wanna say CS isn't an issue in Hollywood. They shoot the flattest log or RAW footage and then send it to a pro colourist who will dial it in. Recent Canon Cine Log tries to copy ARRI's Log C. Sony FX/FS have Venice CS. S1H/EVA1 I'd assume aim towards VariCam CS. Those are the industry standard. On most consumer cameras, picture profiles & log follow other standards. One of the reasons why cine cams rule imo is they can load custom LUTs and you can also paint in camera. Very practical when you're going after a specific look and don't have time/budget to grade log/RAW footage.

R5 took everyone by surprise. That said, the main problem as pointed above is FX9. An $11K camera that caps at 4K60p 10-bit. No internal RAW either. I doubt Sony will let Alpha series equal or trump XDCam series. Alphas seems mainly geared towards photographers now. Ironically Sony has become the new Canon.

Everyone has been pushing video lately, including Fuji & Nikon.. two outsiders. It's totally puzzling to see Sony take the back seat when the mirrorless market has never been so crowded & competitive. Surely they have something up their sleeve but it's a mystery why they are taking so long. My theory is they want to wow the public but keep getting sent to the drawing boards. They'd rather show nothing than tarnish their reputation as spec leaders by coming out with a non-showstopper. It's a double edged sword though as their alpha cams are falling way behind. edit: FX9/FX6 definitely don't leave much wiggle room for an A7S3.

What is sad is you’re trying to argue a case against someone deeply invested across multiple systems, including an FS7... while you’re out there blowing hot air “bashing shitty products”. Ridiculous indeed. You are just a troll man. Go away.

wow dream lens in every sense! I need to up my vintage glass hunting game, I never seem to come past these esoteric FD lenses. Sigma FP is also a fascinating camera. I wanna hear more about it. I tried it briefly at the store and was super impressed with build-quality, compactness and overall concept. That said it does have some major flaws: fixed screen, no EVF, no mechanical shutter, no IBIS, poor AF, poor battery life. pretty much a sensor in a box and then for video: 8-bit RAW internal, no Log.. and pixel-binning? Pretty niche camera at $2000. Hopefully some firmware adresses some of this, but I have to ask who is this camera for? Stealthy 007 agents? Action cam? DOP Scouts (Director's Eyeview certainly one of the most surprising features)? Seriously I can't quite figure it out. Yet oddly I do want one, just cuz it's so cute/unique (that's the gear slut in me speaking tho).

Whatever. At least I gave you an expressive response. All you got is hot air. Clearly sour Sony didn't deliver and now looking to jump ship to the company you been bashing for years. Hate? I find that hilarious actually. As for EOS R. One mans trash.. well you know the saying.