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C300II gets it right, but then not completely so with its mush under certain lowlight conditions. @kye Which exact conditions that would be, I´ve always been wondering about ever since though. They srcewed that one up more than called for.:) Cine 4K seems allright. Or recording externally like with the Cinealta F3 but then you could get a F3 instead, the F3 being much cheaper and providing an HD image just as beautiful without the mush. Too bad no 2K just HD. No 4K is fine with me. Like with the BMMCC, to get back on topic. That one should have had 2K I must complain!:)

Emphasis on the latter. I like the color response in grading of the FX3. I just don´t like the feeling not to know, when the mambo-mushy-jambo kicks in. Same thing with the C300II fi. Great camera, colour and image, but that digital pipeline does some of the weirdest stuff under certain conditions of lowlight, maybe except the C4K mode. FX3 looks mushy in lowlight compared to the S series. But one firmware update can make this camera a real contender, which even Greig Fraser could possibly film a blockbuster or masterpiece with.🙂 cheers

It is a bit of a different lensing and approach than the one I am interested in @kye 🙂 Thank you for the warning. Anyway, I don´t wanna distract from the topic of this thread, of course.:) So back to topic. If Sony was only to give the FX3 and the ZV E1 an option to turn off the gruesome noise reduction, it would make it a compelling option for me to consider. But just knowing there is some mambo jambo kicking in at a certain point makes it so much less attractive to me than my S1, despite FF 4K 60p-120p vs S35 60p. I like the colors and image people are able to achieve with the FX3 and sofore showing off the potential image of the ZV E1. Common Sony, give us zero noise reduction and you gonna make some good extra money by that decision alone. Would share the crown with your fX6 for lowlight queen then. Maybe that´s what you are hesitant about, dear Sony.🙂

Seemingly not worthwhile to apply the 0.58 booster on a GH camera regarding quality of output. It also might damage it. GH4 or G7 might be okay regarding the smaller crop in 4K but then no 10bit. Check out this thread. All you need to know:

I love me my GX85 stuff. I enjoy great stuff shot with this little gem and other cameras of the past like the G6 - 85 series, the older GH cameras and so on. What group(s) would you recommend for stuff like this? Pro work with 8bit oldtimers, love that! @kye I had my GX85 with me for a large family gathering. I accidently shot some clips at 720 25p with 10Mbps. But then I figured, does not look too bad. 🙂 Good thing was I could shoot at 200 ISO withoout a sweat with plenty light available. Gruesome LED practicals mixed into the ambient light though. Still all looking good. A GX85 with GH5(2:) inside would be perfect for me, even in HD only. Would love to see a lowlight test between FX3 and a S1 or S1H or S5 at 12800. The S series is known to provide a lowlight image like the FX6 in regards of grain, whereas the FX3 still inherited mush from the A7S3 afaik.

You are too cool and kind! @Emanuel Though, I must admit, a certain cheek in tongue is always within your words, my poet friend. 🙂 I did the shots quick and with a warm heart. Nothing wrong with that.;) A 2.5K version up to 60p, with GX85 battery life and full HDMI would be my dream cam, seriously. Would´t need anything else.

Thanks a lot for your cool answer! @Matt Kieley The Fujinon looks good size wise, 18mm and f1.8 is an attractive feature, with seemingly fine performance at f2.8. It looks smaller than the 10-24. It´s a total different range of course but pretty attractive to me in that regard for usage with S16 sensor. I imagine the Fujinon to be significantly lighter than the 2.5lbs of the DZO. A realistic wish for a medium wide to normal focal length would have been a two times zoom starting at 14mm. But such lens was never produced unfortunately. I could speedboost the Tokina 25 50 F4 with the Bmpcc 0.58 Metabones, giving a 14.5 FOV at the short end on the Bmpcc or Bmmcc. Speedboosted Minolta 24-50 adapted to EF would demand two adapters in a row. An interesting option but not the native S16 homerun I fancy, but nevertheless. Still talking about MF lenses.🙂

Thank you:) @kye It was pretty interesting to finally grab that battery monster. But I enjoyed using this beauty so much I gotta say. Four batteries feel all right for a bit of careful roaming around. Btw, I have used the Bmmcc at 400 Iso and I had big troubles to do get a satifying image for outdoor shots. I got it to a point which is okay but nothing to write home about. Good thing, I had used it at 800Iso before with great results, capturing the delicate beauty of natural light. It even looked good in odd grading variantes. So native Iso only! I reuploaded the video with a beautiful semi legendary song and stabilized most shots. cheers 🙂

Though I got to use my Bmmcc to film two buddies of mine last year, which turned out to be an awesome display of colour prowess and though I got to do some test footage for an upcoming project and some cool BTS from a friends project, I still have nothing from this beauty to post here due to the nature of the material. But I got to test my OG Pocket which I couldnt resist to buy about three months or so ago when the price temptingly low.:) So I went with the tiny Panny 14mm F2.5 pancake, 800iso of course, Prores 422- not HQ, 360 shutter. Fstop up to 22. Lol. This camera is a dream in daylight. I had a test under tungsten and i found it to be just okay. But natural light or 5600K light fixtures are this cameras beautiful friends. So finally some rough n ready footage, collected over the course of a late afternoon to evening, shaky, clumsy but not withouth charme imho. Display and batteries were a challenge but workable for me. Sometimes sihouettes on the screen are enough when your eyes can see the real thing beyond the screen. Focussing was mostly prefocus and via AF button, so was the aperture adjustment with a bit of sneaking the histogram. Anyway, here it goes, my almost Bmmcc footage. 🙂

Looking forward to your work and findings with it. @ntblowz Really liked the colour response of the FX3 under natural light. Always had difficulties with my S1 in those scenarios to achieve the look I was looking for in color grading. Great neutral palette but a bit tame. On the other hand the S1 impressed me a big deal in lit settings, even with simple set ups or illuminated with practicals.

I wished there was a small mechanical S16 2x or 3x zoom as a carry around lens for my OG Bmpcc and Bmmcc. There are none. Smallest one I found would be the Dzo 10-24 T2.9, which covers M43 sensor size. It still comes at a 1.1kg though. Reaching S1H territory here, though it would be the other way around, heavy camera plus a light and tiny Tokina 25-50:) The super rare S16 Cooke 3x Zoom is .. well, super rare, expensive and heavy, at around 3kg. The DZO costs around 1700 Euro. There are no cheapo C-mount alternatives afaik. What are your findings and thoughts on this?

I think there is a misunderstanding going on here. I don't patronize you guys, still wish we all would find back to kindness. We are pretty kewl people and a bit cheek in tongue shall not lead to hurts. I try to do the same.

FX3 was a joy to grade under daylight conditions. ZV1 fits that same bill image wise. If usuability and reliability is not worse than a solid entry level Lumix G6,7,80 or GX85 it would indeed be a highly interesting camera. Since the S5ii is already of proven S series robustness, I would go for that one, despite being S35 instead FF for 4K50p. CineD tested the dynamic range to be as good in S35 as in "full frame". With deezids findings regarding BRaw, we are reaching Alexa quality of the cinematic image. ZV E1 has an appeal though. Warming up to it, if it's not heating up under set life conditions.😊 Not buying one but using one would seem super fun.

To me, your videos have a consistent appearance regarding colour, subjects, rhythm within shot, movement in x and z dimensions, shot size. Parts of your oevre seem to have shaped in front of our eyes over the last six months with many videos, proving your taste and style, showing various technical aspects of modern Sony hybrid cameras. No reason to put yourself down by calling your shots short and boring. Nor are there convincing reasons to assume we would do long and boring shots. I know, when I come to this thread, that you will keep delivering videos on a regular pace with similar parameters in image and Mise en Scène. Still I would not assume, that your display shows everything about how you approach the moving image. @markr041

@zerocool22 You can stay cool, Braw is over hdmi only, to an external recorder. 🙂 That´s with both, the S5II and the S5IIX as well.

R5C has mini or micro hdmi too. 😂 I've been reading on this forum that the Clog variantes in the R7 and R6 are lacking compared to the C line of cameras such as C300ii, C200? What's deal with that? Which of the Canon DSLMs has the C300ii mojo regarding dynamic range, color and color tesponse in grading? R5, R6II, R8? Not regarding some of the internal codecs from the C300ii though, as those can be huge letdowns due to harsh temporal noise reduction. cheers and thanks 😊

The well known Tokina 28-70 2.6-2.8 in Nikon Mount is nice n affordable with sufficient MF for video.

Awesome write up! Thanx a lot! @MrSMW

Canon R6 II has micro hdmi.😂 Didn´t know that. If PDAF is mandatory and if happy with Open Gate 6K, Full Frame 4K 24-30p and S35 4K 50/60p, one might just as well buy a Lumix S5 used for 800 EUR. 🙂

What cart did you buy? @MrSMW Also, I am interested to know what´s exactely in your lighting and whole package fitting all in your 4 wheely. Appreciated! 🙂 cheers

@markr041 I was just answering your reply to my post, where I suggested a Lumix S5 highly over a A7S2, as someone had suggested the ole 8bit Sony one page prior to this one. Remember your reply? It's also on the page prior to this one.:) Anyway, all good. 🙂

@deezid Would the same new Braw improvements apply to the Lumix S1 as well, the S1H and S5? Is it an improvement in the BMVA recorder hardware or software or S5II? I own a S1 and find the internal quality to be very good. How would you compare S1 with Braw to its internal recording? Also, how do you rate Braw in the 4k and 6k pockets? cheers and thanks! 🙂

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A7s2, no 4k60, bad AF- it loses focus, and it goes back and forth. Also the 4K 60p crop is in A7iV and A7 iii has none. @markr041 Muaha, I named the S5 as a no brainer better camera by large margins for video quality compared to the A7s2, no comparision hands done. The pure cinema quality image is in the league of the best hybrids out there. Nikon Z9, Canon R5, you name it. Battery life no contest. IBIS no contest. Photos no contest. Ergonomics no contest. So your reply is really hillarious. I am usually on the mellow side and I like a lot of your insights, but this post of yours made me crack up and a bit. It does not make any sense in the given context imho. You can buy a used S5 for 800EUR. One could seem to be mad to buy an A7s2 instead, a camera with a 4K codec worse than a M43 Lumix G7 in 24p HD. 🙂