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Good thing, Ninpo made a joke and that you know about it. Just these youtube jokers make themselves believe they are not a joke nor shills. @wushuliu We know they are a joke though and not even being entertaining. S1RII, keep the hot footage coming.:)

I'm seconding a used Lumix S5. GH5 and G9, if full hdmi is necessary. Also the additional 4K S16 mode is super cool. GH5II for full hdmi, preinstalled VLog and also sporting 10bit in 4K60p just like the S5. It further shows the least sharpening of the bunch.

I'm keen on our own findings, footage, artistc work, analysis, concepts, our creative work in general and reflection about it. Like in my post above, I am with @kye and @QuickHitRecord on this. Well designed challenges are a great. I'd love that. I don't care about the endless repetition of specs and mediocore youtube links over and over again, which have been bloating some threads. Less hot air, more artistic work and experiments. Like in pre corona times. The cinematography . com forum has tons of that kind of great stuff. Why not getting back to focus much more on that rather than recycling internet discussions.

The 28mm and the XM5 should be a treat. S5 and the 135mm on sticks would lovely, maybe even in S35. I'm getting exited to test my S1H on sticks with the 90mm. @Ninpo33 S1RII, like the S1H before, could be the h264 and h265 camera of the year besting all other Dslms in these codecs up to Iso 12800. All Intra h264 and Prores HQ should provide pretty much the same quality anyway. Can a variety of crops be used for Prores Raw, like S16, S35 and 4to3 ratio?

That 135mm looks pretty. Thanks for posting. What camera do you use the 90 and 135mm with? @Ninpo33

Yes, readout at 6K60p is faster than for 8Kround with 15.5ms. @Andrew Reid Pixel to pixel 4K120 should provide same resolution as it does on Sony FX3 and A7SIII. The S1RII has a 2x cropped gate in 4K120 pretty much the same as a FX30 in 4K120. With the higher sensitivity and dynamic range of the sensor it could possibly mean only one stop of higher noise in this 2x cropped 4K120 mode at isos up to 12800, compared to the full sensor 16 to 9 gate of the FX3 and A7SIII and one stop better than the FX30 or a GH6/7. But that's an estimation. Tests will show. Colour and a high resolving unsharpened image with good latitude regarding textures and colour could be strengths of the S1RIII.

Pixel to pixel mode should show the same resolution as the FX3, just in MFT gate. @Walter H Penalty regarding noise could be okay, since the S1RII has very good noise performance. It's a 6K60p full frame camera with the 4K120p mode of a GH7 as a give away. I know the GH7 does it oversampled. Then it's a Sony 4K120 FX30 thrown in for free.:) I would love to see the 28mm Vivitar in action.:) @Ninpo33 It looks like a Vivitar I lens in body design and sturdiness, doesn't it? Iirc from my ebay tours some years ago, it looks just as cool. Is the 135mm as nice as the 90mm? Have you shot with the 90mm? cheers

Great idea! @Andrew Reid There are so many cool people I enjoyed to interact with on this forum. So many cool posts. I would love some of the older discussions to be continued and new topics to be explored in the Eoshd spirit we all cherish. We could share more of the cool findings and lens explorations and footage like we have been doing in the past. My Konica 35-100mm F2.8 needs to be showcased or my 16mm lens set which has been in use for the SI2K from Pillefilm in Cologne until they quit business three years ago and so on. Sharing footage has become less pleasant though with all that datamunching these days, especially when it comes to footage with people and family. It's a challenge we are facing. In addition to the fact that vimeo as we know it has practically dissolved. Maybe i should get a dog like gunpowder which people might enjoy to see being filmed, of course only until @Mattias Burling is coming back. Since we are at it, I would love to see @Ed David swinging a Cinealta F3 around again with his Libatique handheld camera skills. Like said, great idea, Andrew. Maybe another 8bit challenge would be lovely too. Ed David putting the internal 8bit Slog of the F3 to a test. I could do the same. Anyone still with a C100 or og C300 around?:)

@Emanuel RS in 6K/4K 60p full frame is around 15.5ms, so pretty good and not an issue for most scenarios. I am not fond of the 22ms in 24p 8k/4k, especially not the latter. What I could take away from the online footage is a lush creamyness of textures which I really like, high resolution without oversharpening.

We could meet in Berlin, though I have mostly done photo safaris but hardly any video rides with friends. I went on a cinema verité tour by myself last year for a couple of days, with my og pocket and a 25mm Cmount lens. S1H with the Vivitar 90mm and a tripod is rather something for a single filmer expedition I imagine and a rather unsocial affair of carrying and sweating heavily:)@Emanuel Hardly any videos on youtube from the 10bit fullframe league by Sony, Canon and Panasonic have wowed me. Nikon Z6III looked awesome in the skating video. A real stand out regarding motion, texture and colour. I also admired some Canon R7 videos for their colour. I'm interested to see how the S1RII will be put to use. Panasonic had one impressive launch video for the GH6 from a french director which was a true showcase. All the other GH6 videos were again rather generic imho.

I got the Vivitar 1 alteration of the Bokina. I'd call it the steelhammer version. It is so robust and tough. Mine has a ca 1/3" × 1/4" × 1/4" chunk of steel chipped off miraculously by a former owner, maybe in a steelhammer manner. It still operates like a charm. This lens is crazy regarding built. What a beasty lens. I have only used it once or twice many years ago. I must change that. Which Viv I lenses do you have? @Ninpo33We could do a Vivitar cinema verité piece or any kind of video and share it here. I got the Bokina and a Vivitar 35mm 1.9, which I wouldnt consider in the same league as the Bokina. I'm pretty sure the 35mm is not a lens from the I series. The 28mm F2 looks beautiful. Must be a pleasure to hold and use. It's a shame I left that gem collecting dust. As it comes to my mind, I even have a converter for it, changing it into a 60 or 65mm lens. This lens is a good reason for some solid tripod fun! Back to topic. If the S1RII has a creamy look like a C500II with absence of oversharpening, it could be a tempting prospect of Gas. Better not.:)

I don't watch these s/cam promoters. I am interested in our footage and discoveries, like we used to share much more in pre 10bit full frame times. I want to see a Tokina 24-40 in action, mounted on a camera of your choice. I still got mine and what a character lens it is, very gloomy at 2.8, mechanically a joy to use. I'd mount mine on my S1H for some 10bit HD 120p or the Tokina Bokina on a tripod in 120p pixel to pixel mode. Old song, as old as the ones about shill cam channels. Back to topic. Does DRE work in S35 and pixel to pixel 4k? That could provide an acceptable readout speed for DRE use.

Awesome post! Spot on! Fundamental overview regarding Panny cameras. @Andrew Reid Marketing and communication with the GH4 and GH5 was exellent. Matt Frazer was allowed to do the perfectly right thing. It was exiting to follow the news and to watch the footage. This forum was overflowing with high quality posts and discussions. The launch of the GH5s was already lacking. Their box cameras not sporting NDs is another underwhelming marketing decision. So close yet so far. Their product palette is chaotic. No 10bit GX9 successor, akward releases like a G90, G100 or before that GF5, 7, 8. This was not helping sales nor Pannys reputation to say the least. Is there any native L mount 28mm 2.8 pancake lens out there for full frame sensor coverage? 35, 50, 70, no? Bummer. I think there are some for apsc coverage. Another missed out opportunity, especially in combination with the S9. I know i would have bought a S9 with mechanical shutter and evf and a 28 and 50mm pancake. I dislike taking photos without a mechanical shutter. M39 route for small affordable lenses with a short mount? I guess so. Fiddling around, being an adapter juggler can be fun.:) S1RII is a nice camera and release with S5III being a better name. It's accompanied by lacklustre marketing and communication. The S1RIII looks good by itself. Pannys surrounding enviroment does not at the moment.

It's a sweet successor of the S5II, this S5III sports a great mixture of new features such as 6K60p in full frame with great 60p, being very close in quality to 30p, 45Mpix stills, S1H screen mechanism, eventually a very satisfying shutter sound and feel. And 8K video for the closeup of the bride. 😊 @ND64 They like the SRII for these features: Readout in full frame 6K60p is 15.6ms. Vertical pixelbinning in 60p is providing great quality, which is very close to 30p. They also like the 8K. Battery life is above average for hires 45Mpix cameras, dynamic range is impressive. Best in class Ibis and lowlight capabilities. Great ergo, handling and AF in video. Despite being such a nice package, people manage to film shilly footage with it. Macky is one of the very few who put effort into showing off the capabilities of a camera. He loves the colour btw. Further tests will show, if there is mushyness at higher isos like from the A7SIII. It looks like 4K60 is much better on the SRII vs the Sony, despite having ca four times more pixels, 45Mpix vs 12Mpix. If colour and codecs are og S1 and S1H level, I'd call it a contender. If overheating is a non issue in practical use, I'd call it a winner.

@Andrew ReidI never had the chance to even look at a A7RV. I don't know for sure if I'm curious enough to check one out at Calumet, but I think I might.:) I find a lot of Sony bodies of the last ten years unattractive to look at. I liked the og A7 and the A6000 when a friend of mine let me play around with them. I love the screen on my S1H but very much disliked the gnarly hard edged tilt mechanism on my S1. I still enjoy the tactility and ease of use on my Gx85. I also like the screen on my LX10 though over the head viewing is not supported. Of course I had the usual swivel variantes at my hand on various Panny cameras. S1H mechanism is my favourite of all of them, combining tilt and swivel flavours and being pleasant and solid in use. I guess I could enjoy the S1RII body due to the screen solution which I got to appreciate from my S1H. If Evf quality is equal to S1/S1H level, the SRII body looks like it might fit the bill. Though the design accounts to slightly above average battery life for a camera of 40+Mpix and 8K video. I think a beefier battery should have been one of the priorities in body design for a top of the line Panasonic camera. I prefer the sturdiness of a GH4/5 and S1/S1H but I also find a G70 perfectly fine. So a S5II SRII body might be ok for me, maybe even more than that.

It has the awesome screen mechanism of the S1H and GH7. I find the body design ok. S1H is a beauty to hold and to look at on the other hand. Makes it hard for me to sell it.:) Top panel is beautiful as well. I never held a S5II in my hands, so all I can referr to is the way it looks.

It will not overheat, have better dynamic range and latitude than the Z8 and have the usuability, ergonomics, sturdiness, battery life and beauty of the original S1H, if it's a true successor and sofore deserving the name of S1HII.

They expose a puppet head right before clipping, then underexpose by abc stops and bring it back in post. @eatstoomuchjam Compared to the R5 which it shares a readout of about 15ms with for 6K/4K60p, it performs better regarding latitude. It is also better than a Z8 at 8K, which was slightly better than a S1H at 6K which was slightly better than a R5 in Canon 8K Raw. S1RII bests all Dslms in their latitude test in regular mode. Extended dr mode performed the same. S1RII is looking very nice so far, plus great AF, exellent lowlight image quality, superb ibis and ok battery life. As an artist's tool I want to test the GH5S some time. I did two cute clips with my S1H in december. I still find the color in natural light to look kinda like ENG, whereas og Bmpcc and BM Micro look magical with little effort in Resolve. I had a lot of fun with my og pocket this summer. No need for me to follow youtube shills without any artistic thrills. We used to share our own work and findings on this forum. Would love more of that.

Slashcam tested 6K 60p with exellent results on a 4K timeline, almost as detailed and with resolution like 24 to 30p. No moire nor aliasing nor any other artefacts. Readout in that mode was tested with a result of 15.6ms.

Slashcam tested the S1RII with 22.8ms in 8K without dynamic boost. Latitude and dynamic range was tested being the same with DRE mode on and off. S1RII in normal mode comes close to the latitude of the impressive C70 and C300MKII DG sensor, making it best of all Dslms in latitude. 15.6ms readout in full frame 4K/6K 60p btw. Idk how professional testers can get it so wrong. Shills without thrills is what i call this kind of youtube reviews.

Slashcam tested the S1RII. Full frame 6K 60p DCI gives exellent resolution downscaled on a 4K timeline with 15.6ms rolling shutter. 24-30p 8K is slightly better but with 22.8ms readout. Battery lasts 1 hour 39min of recording time in 10bit 4K 25p. They tested latitude of the Lumix being best of all Dslms, above a Nikon Z8, being close to the Dual Gain sensor of the C70 and C300 MKII. Best of Dslms means being about 1 stop better than a Z8, which was 1 stop better than a S1H which was slightly better than a Canon R8 in their latitude test. Dynamic Boost didn't show a better result. It stopped after 40min of recording because of heat and it performed increased rolling shutter. The SR1II looks like it has the guts of a great hybrid for 44MPix stills and for full frame 4K and 6K up to 60p and 8K30p with class leading latitude and above average battery life in video. Hopefully they will offer the 15.6ms readout for 4K/6K in 24p to 30p as well, like they did for 50/60p. I'm interested to see actual footage. This camera could be a great bang for the buck.

Like I said, appetite for more.:) @kye 😊 I will check @PPNS I remember your other splendid P4K footage. I still think the fairchild sensor looks better under natural light but your lighting makes the Sony sensor shine. Vimeo has killed off browsing and searching videos now. What an absolute disgrace! So I've had the headaches of searching for cool P4K stuff on youtube. Not so many great finds. Sony Pmw F3 is well represented on the tube though, og pocket and micro too.

I'm not even talking about data storage as such, which you guys are referring to. Though it's another dubious move, that they simply delete all your videos which you have uploaded under a paid account, if you don't renew your paid membership.

Wtf! Not only that you cannot search for videos anymore, they also killed browsing other accounts.You cannot browse through other peoples videos anymore! If you click on someones user account, nothing happens. So nobody can find my videos nor browse through my uploaded videos. What did I just pay 70 EUR for again, on a side note? Total rip off and theft. Oh yeah, they deleted groups and collections too. No love for film, no respect for people. They just disfunctioned an entire community with a blink of an eye, without any warning. That's like a warning about other tech companies into which we put our trust, faith and fate. That means for the internet of things, if someone pulls the plug, no sandwiches for you tonight or any night, buddy.

Looking great! Thank you for sharing! @Cosimo Would you mind showing us some moving images? That would be sweet! How was the handling regarding filming and using the app? How do you like the image compared to other cameras? 2x anamorphic on 16:9, crazy!:)