mercer

Today we had an early xmas lunch (to avoid the conflicting invitations on the 25th) and I shot it with the GX85 and 12-35mm F2.8.  Shooting was really fast and not under ideal conditions (massive window which is often backlighting people) but it did a great job.
Here are a few random stills, SOOC - zero editing.  




Standard colour profile, with -5 Contrast / Sharpening / NR and 0 Saturation.  People often lower saturation in-camera but I  push my grades to have lots of saturation so I prefer to have the camera do the 8-bit conversion and compression on stronger saturated colours so that I'm not boosting up a weak colour signal in-post.
When I grade it I'll be softening it up, fine-tuning the colours and adding some colour grading secret-sauce but for a someone shooting a family gathering with an 8-bit camera while also being part of the festivities, the images really speak for themselves.

https://www.cined.com/camera-foundry-cineback-for-sony-fx3-and-fx30-launched/
We're making cameras smaller, just to make them bigger again. 

This may be one of two downvotes I have ever done. I hate doing it but if you think that looks fine, then this discussion should just be closed because there is literally nothing more to discuss... or are you really just trolling?

Not at all, that's why I suggested that if you think the one version looks better than the 24p version, then there's nothing more to discuss. Then I asked OR are you trolling.
You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I am entitled to react towards it how I want. And again, if you believe the 24p version looks worse, then there is no reason to continue this discussion.

This may be one of two downvotes I have ever done. I hate doing it but if you think that looks fine, then this discussion should just be closed because there is literally nothing more to discuss... or are you really just trolling?

Why would you think I’m trolling? I watched the video and it did look better to me. So that’s your definition of trolling? When someone’s subjective opinion on what looks better to them differs from what looks best to you?

Looks fine to me.

Yes, @JulioD the most interesting thing I have learned from this discussion is that I am not the only person still shooting ML Raw.

A few points..
I have no idea how much is spent, but it's enough for them to shoot everything in 1000fps if they wanted to, but they don't The thread is literally titled "24p is outdated", so translating that to be "old" and "wrong" isn't too far a stretch The firestorm is likely a reaction to the increasing popularity of 30p and 60p video, which just looks awful to many of us...  perhaps a good parallel was if restaurants all over the world all started cooking every dish with Kale (or some other ingredient that many people hate) - lots of people who don't mind Kale would just say "eat somewhere else" but it would really be a bad outcome.  and then the Kale Lovers Association starts a thread on their cooking forums saying that everything except Kale is crap...   that is the response here. The thread didn't "degenerate" into a discussion about art, it actually elevated because creativity and art is the whole point of film-making, which is a point you seem completely impervious to hearing Yes, the goal of the industry is to make money, but in case you didn't notice, emotion is what drives sales.  Newspaper headlines, clickbait video titles, social media feuds, etc - these all generate the most sales and clicks because they stimulate the human emotional system.  You can think what you like about rationality and realism, but it's not how the vast majority of humans work.  A great movie is one where the reaction is "I laughed, I cried", not "I found it to be sensible and factual".  Movies make us feel to generate sales. To make money, movies make us feel.  To make us feel, movies have to be emotive.  To be emotive, they use all the tricks.. one of which, out of literally hundreds that are in use, is 24p.

Do you know what else is outdated? Manual focus. It's so slow, man, it drives me nuts! This is 2023, not 1923! My iPhone can focus faster than any ALEXA, so what's up with that? Autofocus is true cinema and anyone telling you otherwise is just trying to keep their job as a focus puller or living in the past. Engineers are with me, let's go!
 

Hahahaha... this is so stupid.
@zlfan you are the one that claims 24p is outdated, yet you are the one demanding that the majority prove you wrong with scientific evidence that 24p is more cinematic than 60p...
Sorry to tell you, but it's your claim, so the burden of proof lies with you to prove us wrong with scientific evidence.

Like @mercer has said, this is ridiculous.
There's two people in this thread who are making post after post about how 24p is old and wrong etc, and then there's the entire industry spending trillions of dollars a year shooting films and who have access to any camera they want and could shoot in any frame rate they liked, and yet they select 24p.
So, who is right?  Two internet keyboard warriors, or the entire worlds entertainment industry?
Please.
We did a survey, and you didn't win this "debate".

Hahahaha... this is so stupid.
@zlfan you are the one that claims 24p is outdated, yet you are the one demanding that the majority prove you wrong with scientific evidence that 24p is more cinematic than 60p...
Sorry to tell you, but it's your claim, so the burden of proof lies with you to prove us wrong with scientific evidence.

I saw this video on YouTube a few weeks ago that could be useful for some of you guys to think about...
 

I think it's just about ROI.

I saw this video on YouTube a few weeks ago that could be useful for some of you guys to think about...
 

I saw this video on YouTube a few weeks ago that could be useful for some of you guys to think about...
 

That said...
Long live 24p... AI will have to rip it from my cold, dead hands. 

What it will be able to do is combine visions or auteurs... what if Kubrick made John Wick or what if Spielberg made ...
What would naturally take a person with his/her own vision and craft will soon be realized by a soulless machine.
Sad.

What it will be able to do is combine visions or auteurs... what if Kubrick made John Wick or what if Spielberg made ...
What would naturally take a person with his/her own vision and craft will soon be realized by a soulless machine.
Sad.

Hey guys, I don't really shoot any video, or stills, but I am really into barbecue... can you recommend a cinema/stills camera for me so I can convince my wife that spending $2500 on a barbecue grill is a good deal. 

Great rundown Kye, and to add, @Jedi Masterstated in an earlier reply that he watches movies for escapism, yet he wants them to look as real as possible?
I also question the motives, or rationale, of people who consistently argue in favor of HFR filmmaking/exhibition because they base their opinions on practically no films that exist since 99.9% of all films have been shot at 24fps. So maybe they just don't like movies.

Great rundown Kye, and to add, @Jedi Masterstated in an earlier reply that he watches movies for escapism, yet he wants them to look as real as possible?
I also question the motives, or rationale, of people who consistently argue in favor of HFR filmmaking/exhibition because they base their opinions on practically no films that exist since 99.9% of all films have been shot at 24fps. So maybe they just don't like movies.

Great rundown Kye, and to add, @Jedi Masterstated in an earlier reply that he watches movies for escapism, yet he wants them to look as real as possible?
I also question the motives, or rationale, of people who consistently argue in favor of HFR filmmaking/exhibition because they base their opinions on practically no films that exist since 99.9% of all films have been shot at 24fps. So maybe they just don't like movies.