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5 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

Sshhh. we want people to upgrade from the G2 and drive 2nd hand prices down.

Which will then push down UMP G1 prices 😉

Which will then push down UM4.6K prices! Yay, finally I can afford one. 

So yes, everyone please go buy a UMP 12K ASAP!

9 hours ago, MeanRevert said:

ZCam just breathed a sigh of relief

For now! But next month there is the BMPCC12K

9 hours ago, Katrikura said:

however it is a long term investment as it will not depreciate quickly

Disagree. We can check back in 5yrs time and see how much that URSA Mini 12K is worth. 
Hopefully a greater percentage than an AJA Cion or BMD Production Camera 4K was after 5yrs. 

9 hours ago, JordanWright said:

I love that they kept S35

Same! Although still, kinda curious that they went after 12K and gave FF a skip. 
 

9 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

I don't see the point of 12k personally right now, but when you compare it to other cameras in that price range, yes, $10k for a 12k camera is a bargain. You're not going to find anything like it in that price range. 

It is a "bargain" in the sense that mainstream 12K cinema cameras do not exist. RED's 8K had been the biggest "mainstream" we had before. 
 

9 hours ago, JordanWright said:

Rolling Shutter (Approx)
12K: 15ms
8K: 6ms

Source: John Brawley

That's impressively good. Especially for 8K. 

 

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

The most amazing thing about that is it only has 120 views.

For a video with a topless model on the internet, that is a real surprise.

It is proof of why Olympus couldn't sell enough cameras.

They can't even promote tits on the internet.

HA! Very true. 

But then again, maybe that was not the main source as to where they put out the video??

Here is another one, only 64 views:

https://vimeo.com/71493770

Makes me think that Olympus were not promoting a vimeo video at all, seems too long for a TV advert though? Maybe was a clip on their website hosted by themselves. 

Surprising it isn't on YT. 

9 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

$10k for 12k is wild. 

Seems logical enough? Ha!

As "$2K for 2K" has passed long ago, and ditto "$4K for 4K" has long ago been done too. 

Next up, $20K for 24K???

1 hour ago, fuzzynormal said:

From what I saw bopping around online, they have a patent for a transmitter with audio recorder.  Seems like if the recorder was on the receiver, that would avoid the patent nonsense?  

I don't know. 

Oh, good point, sorry, did skim read your post too fast before replying!

But still, my initial answer before is still relevant.... maybe? As I do wonder if Zaxcom might hold a patent related to this, but I don't recall this ever being mentioned as a specific feature that Zaxcom blocks from happening. And I've in the past browsed through the patents Zaxcom holds, and I don't recall seeing something like this.

However, Zaxcom is the only company to make a recorder (the Zaxcom Nova) with receivers integrated inside it. I wouldn't be shocked if they hold a patent for it. 

Other companies have done tight recorder/receiver integration, but they're still kept external to each other. Such as a Sound Devices 833 / SL-2 (that's what I'll get one day for my 833!) or a Sound Devices 688 / SL-6. 
 

1 hour ago, fuzzynormal said:

What I do know is that it would be nice if I could simply get a wireless audio signal into a receiver mounted on the hot show of my camera and listen to what it's getting...so many of these audio options (like, say, mounting a lav mic w/recorder on the subject like theTascam DR-10L) can't offer any outboard monitoring.

That's a very good use case, especially as so many entry level mirrorless/DSLRs lack a headphone jack (or even a mic input in the first place!).  I've asked in the Deity Usergroup as to if this is a feature, and if not, could it be included in a firmware update. Have got a Deity BP-TRX on its way to me, I'll let you know. 

10 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

What are they?  Patent trolls?

Technically they're not patent trolls, because Zaxcom is a real and significant business in operation in this industry. 
(Zaxcom is #2 in pro field recorders after Sound Devices, and Zaxcom is #2 in pro wireless after Lectrosonics)

9 hours ago, sanveer said:

The United States apparently produces quite a few of IP Troll lawyers and companies (Zaxxcom and RED are the biggest IP trolls). 

Yes, Zaxcom is "not a patent troll" in the same logic that RED is also not one. 

Zaxcom is the RED of the Sound Department. 

Depends on your perspective as to if that is the biggest complement, or the biggest slur. 

10 hours ago, Danyyyel said:

Working on film sets last year, both cameras had 3 people on them. The shooter or DP, a second assistant focus puller and his assistant. It was normal Alexa's.

That's very weird phrasing you're using. And tricky to even understand what exactly you're saying. 
But I'm guessing:
A Cam
DoP is operating
1st AC - A Cam
2nd AC - A Cam
B Cam
B Cam Op
1st AC - B Cam
2nd AC - B Cam

Now that seems normal enough to me. 

When is the BMPCC12K going to drop?

Duclos sells lenses with the lens coatings intentionally removed:

https://thecinelens.com/2013/02/26/duclos-lenses-introduces-rokinon•raw-primes/

6 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

I tend to use it the other way around to how I picture your setup. Have a lav going into this, and record local. Then plug it into a Rode Wireless go which sends the audio to my camera for monitoring and recording backup audio.

Even better would be to pick up a couple of Tentacle Sync E, one for each of your recorder (unnecessary though if you have a Zoom F Series, or better) and your camera. 

1 hour ago, sanveer said:

Maybe the Deity BP-TRX if you're outside the United States. 

Yes. Also the Tascam DR10CS is worth a look at too if you're outside of the USA.

1 hour ago, kye said:

Does anyone know how to effectively rig up a smaller camera with a top handle, but also still keep a small monitor and shotgun mic also rigged up at the same time?

Get a looong top handle, and side mount the shotgun (something like the Deity V-Mic D3 Pro, right?) so that you can still tilt the monitor forward. 
 

1 hour ago, kye said:

And not have it become ridiculously large, and/or get handling noise on the microphone (from mounting it too close to the top handle).

Make sure the mic has a decent shockmount.

5 hours ago, mercer said:

"Christmas in July" ... fire sale for the P4K?

I'm fairly certain my next camera purchase will be the Sigma FP, but a P4K for $650 might sway me.

Yes!!!! A repeat of the famous original Pocket sales, a Pocket for sub $500 again please. That's how I purchased my OG BMPCC, definitely would get the Pocket 4K if it was priced like that again.

16 hours ago, Danyyyel said:

Now there are things I have been experimenting lately with the the app, where I can sync timecode using the automatic time which uses gps etc, and rack focusing with it.

Ohhhhh.... tell me more about the timecode syncing with GPS time??

This might be then a perfect match with this:
https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/06/26/dish-tc-pro-universal-timecode/

15 hours ago, Inazuma said:

Why do they keep releasing APS-C bodies but only ever release zoom lenses for them?

That is exactly the point Thom Hogan makes over and over again! Where are the DX primes, where are the DX pro zooms? Aside from the 35mm f1.8 and 17-55mm f/2.8 (& I guess the Nikon 16-80mm f/2.8-4), the Nikon was very lacking in having any lenses to pair with the D500/D300/D7x00 cameras. Thank goodness Tokina and Sigma filled in the gaps with their 11-20 + 18-35 + 50-100/50-150 lenses. 

9 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

I'd Really Like This Audio Gear:

A wireless mic receiver that records to a miniSD card, has a line output, and has a headphone jack for monitoring audio in real time. 

Zaxcom lawyers say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

16 hours ago, Geoff CB said:

What would be the point of it if you couldn't crop into the center for MTF lenses? Don't really see the point to use the mount when there are more AF adapters for E-mount and will be more future lens choices for L and Canon R. I would love a Z-mount but I know that doesn't have a shot in hell of happening.

Of course you could have the option to do moderate gentle crops in to use native MFT lenses. 

And the reason for MFT is because it is actually doable!

While an active Sony E Mount has no chance in hell (I honestly think a Nikon Z Mount from BMD is more likely than E Mount).

Useful video about setting up the F3 if you're new to the camera and external recording. 

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

EF mount too big for Micro camera. 44mm flange.

Hopefully if they have any sense it will be a micro camera with E mount!

Or even Micro Cinema Camera 6K with a MFT Mount! They could squeeze it in there, just like JVC did. 

@Andrew ReidWhat did you study at Uni?
 

10 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Going back all the way to the move to Berlin 10 years ago, I started off with the intention to do commercial work with eventually building up enough contacts and money to film my own stuff. I did a bit of that but EOSHD became my main income, which I now use to make my own stuff happen.

Do you still do commercial work now, or plan to?
(also, what type of commercial work? That's an extremely broad area)

Saw a Sony FX9 in the wild on a shoot for the first time:
 

16 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

However, other lens manufacturers with competitive products, and a notorious cinematographer using their glass, could probably buy a PR campaign --and thus a chance to win at the Academy if they so choose. 

They "could", but they haven't.
 

16 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

The Oscar is not some agnostic award, its political.  Yes, even on the science side of things.

Filmmaking itself is inherently political. 

Hypothetically speaking, put your imaginary producer hat on for a moment:
Imagine two otherwise identical DoPs you're considering hiring, you're reading though their gear list... one has Schneider lenses, the other has SLR Magic / Meike  lenses. Which are you going to lean towards hiring? (all else assumed equal)

Thus my point, if you're in the position to buy a low/mid end set of cinema lenses then it is quite compelling to go for these Schneider lenses over SLR Magic / Meike / etc

1 hour ago, photographer-at-large said:

Perhaps Irix cine lenses at less than $1300 each, SLR Magic APO EF lenses at $1200 each, and upcoming Meike full-frame cine lenses has something to do with it?

Perhaps. However Schneider has a massively better reputation / longer history than any of those other brands. I mean,  Schneider has won a technical Oscar after all their lenses! A win that none of those other brands are even close to ever claiming. 

22 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

I'm not giving up on believing they can deliver something. It's just that the market has changed and having reliable AF available (doesn't mean you have to use it!) is becoming a must-have feature these days.

Panasonic seems to be making steady progress (but too slow progress for some) with improving AF, as the latest firmware for the G9/GH5 shows. 

I reckon if Panasonic really focused (ha!) on nailing down the best performance they can for the sub 2m range of focusing (how about if there was an option to set the max focus distance during AF? That would fix the error of how sometimes AF snaps to the background instead of yourself) this would at least make happy 90% of the YouTubers / social influencers / reviewers, and do wonders to help marketing the push for the new GH6 (a pity it is too late and they missed the boat with the G100). 

  

14 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

Agreed. I want better AF if only so people stop complaining! Ha ha

So true, and often people obsessively focus on a system's "weakest link" (ignoring the overall big picture), and AF seems to be Panasonic's "weakest link" so any improvement at all here will for many people lift in their eyes their opinion of the entire system. 

No point even bringing out crazy 16K 60fps (won't happen! But just saying) if people stay obsessively focused on your "weakest link" in all the reviews. 

8 hours ago, Mr. Freeze said:

Sure, I was only building on IronFilms Mantra.

It is not a bad idea to recommend going out and shooting more with the BMPCC4K, perhaps @boukmanmutt can fall in love again with the BMPCC4K? 

If so, then would it be such a crazy idea to own *two* cameras?? Could then pick up a compact GX850 for just a hundred bucks (or at least, sub $200) to handle the stills needs. (and a little bit of casual shooting too) And the lenses can easily be shared between both the P4K and the Panasonic. 

2 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

The R5 and A7SIII will set the bar, hopefully Panasonic can jump over it with the GH6 because in my opinion they will need to to stay relevant in todays market. Sony and Canon are now sitting at the 10-bit 4K table and looking at Panasonics lunch.

Panasonic doesn't necessarily have to leap ahead of the competition, like they did with the GH4 & GH5.

If Panasonic can simply broadly meet the challenge of the R5/a7Smk3 (so doesn't necessarily have to have 8K, but say give us 6K to appease the "K obsessed fanatics", better slow motion of 4K 160fps with lots of trigger record options, and work with Atomos for ProResRAW. All of these easily achievable even with their current GH5 sensor! Doesn't need a radical leap forward by Panasonic), then Panasonic can have a hit on their hands even against the tough 2020/2021 competition so long as they keep the GH6 priced sub $2K. (ideally I'd say they should even price it a little lower than simply $1995, say $1.8K so that it is closer in price to the Fuji X-T4)

As many of us would happily take an epic Panasonic GH6 for sub $2K vs a $4K Canon/Sony

Plus remember there are great things in the GH5/GH5S (and thus the GH6) that I bet not even all the new Sony/Canons will match: Timecode, full size HDMI, waveform monitoring, DMW-XLR1, compactness, anamorphic features, excellent IBIS, etc

Not giving up in believing in Panasonic yet!