jgharding

Purple and green noise is loud and large here! What camera is this? It must be a tiny sensor due to the colour blotching and deep DOF

Also C100 with Ninja 2 is great. You get 422 at high bit rates, and it's painless because the HDMI sends the stop/start from the camera.

I like the detail and colour. It's not up to top end 4K but it is nice! I find the blocking and banding quite upsetting though, without that it'd be much much better. Here's a quick grade i did... I feel it looks really nice with 16mm grain covering all the compression grime.

I came to post that I'd like an XC10 update with a few missing features, and that it's a rumor. It' a great little camera if a little fiddly. The AF is sluggish though. I think a C100 MKiii is coming with 4K.

FOV equivalence exists, fair enough... But that can't change the fact of light sensitivity. A larger area captures more light, all else being equal your sensitivity will be greater. That's still the biggest problem with small sensosrs.Even speed boosters have a limit on the light they can pass. All this talk of "it's now an f0.5" isn't true because the glass limits the transmission eventually. Even the XC10 with its "1-inch" has a native ISO of 500, fixed-pattern noise and so on. Bigger really is better though trying to keep focus... autofocue really helps.

How can someone getting all your work for free possibly own anything? Sounds like bullshit to me. You hold all the cards here: you've done all of it with your gear for nothing, so at least hold out to get what you want from it, and for God's sake don't be bullied by someone with too big an ego.

I'm beginning to think there's some fundamental difference in the sensor structure between Sony and Canon. Maybe on the analogue side? Or of course it could be in the DA conversion since Sony sensors in other cameras don't show the same ultra cool feel. Or maybe it is just in the data processing. either way Sony seem to prioritise blue. And Blue lights clip hard on a lot of Sonys. canon seems to prioritise red. Probably wise if the codec is gonna be 4:2:0. Essentially, red is really important when shooting Caucasian skin, which is most of my work. its weird, I can grade a C100 back from totally wrong balance to a good-looking shot with not so much trouble, but do the same on a higher-end Sony and you're losing your way pretty quickly. Zombie skin appears!

Here is some original footage from the Canon XC10. The white balance is off, dull cloudy daylight coming in from the right in a low kelvin tungsten environment, which allows you to test pushing the grade around. Autofocus, maximum available stabiliser. ISO500 4K - 1GB file - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9922139/A004C004_150124YQ_CANON.MXF 1080p - 110mb file - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9922139/A003C007_1501247H_CANON_01.MXF I prefer 1080 for the most part, the oversampling 1080 is nicer than 4K bayer for me.

Here is some original footage from the Canon XC10. The white balance is off, dull cloudy daylight coming in from the right in a low kelvin tungsten environment, which allows you to test pushing the grade around. You'll be amazed how you can nuetralise this then push it around. Autofocus, maximum available stabiliser. ISO500 4K - 1GB file - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9922139/A004C004_150124YQ_CANON.MXF 1080p - 110mb file - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9922139/A003C007_1501247H_CANON_01.MXF I prefer 1080 for the most part, the oversampling 1080 is nicer than 4K bayer for me and generally more useful, but 4K is nice to have when you need it.

Depreciation is also a factor. Look at the price drop in the 5D MK iii over the years and compare to the original A7. You buy a Sony new, it's worth half that in no time, due to the continuous trickle of new features that are held back for another upgrade. I feel i have to apologies for this turning into something of a Sony bash, it's just that seeing such wonderful innovation, specifications and competitive pricing combined with such poor real-world performance is disappointing! We all just want to help and if you can hit these goals, you will be truly competitive, Mr Sony...

Having used one regularly for 18 months I have to say it just works. I've done everything from documentaries, to through run and gun trade show videos to corporates and nothing goes wrong. Not having higher frame-rates is sometimes a bug, but I rarely care for non-promo work. It's the greatest single achievement of AVCHD! To get files that small that look so good and grade so well... it's like voodoo. When you compare it to the FS700 for example, there's no contest. Occasionally I use a Ninja 2 with it, but to be honest I don't often need to. Often when I have I've regretted the big file sizes, and the backup shots on the SD card grade just as well. Sounds mad but it is true! This is because the automatic noise reduction sharpening and so on in the AVCHD is actually really good. If you use the HDMI out, you're on your own. More processing time etc... I never use Canon Log without the Ninja though. This seems pretty key. Canon's Wide DR profile is what I use for 95% of shoots. It has a large dynamic range with rolled-off highlights but it doesn't push the codec too far like Clog. Clog does work with AVCHD but you're on the edge! On the RX0 ii you have Slog2 that is too flat to work with unless you nail everything perfectly or a bunch of other profiles that don't give you decent range. It is over complicated in terms of combinations of options and underwhelming whichever you choose. The NX1 looks amazing to me. I nearly got one. Such a shame they are offloading professional imaging. HEY! SONY! Buy Samsung's technology and code. Then you'll be right back in the game! At least create a colour profile that has full skintone and isn't flat as a pancake or over contrasty.

I've cleaned the thread of most of the non footage posting stuff. It was arbitrary job, apologies if your post has disappeared, but the thread need to be mostly footage links and footage requests in order to serve its purpose properly. This is proving to be a valuable resource. Feel free to continue discussion, just be aware that it may be cleaned up intermittently to keep the thread useful to newcomers. Please try to keep your links alive insofar as you can.

It's not that the XC10 is some kind of world-beating camera, it's just that I don't have a sense of panic about using it and it does the job well. After a few days I'm really happy that I can set it up on 4K on a tripod, connect my phone to it for preview and wireless control, and go and man another C camera. The RX10 ii had to be nursed through every shot, and then the results were usually rubbish. Image and usability... they always drumpf specs

I'm looking forward to the C100 Mk iii. If that doesn't have 4K I may well eat one of my hat collection.

After ejecting yet another Sony camera that looked great on paper (RX10ii) I thought I'd make a little comment about this... its been replaced by a Canon XC10. On paper a crazy idea, but in reality it's an upgrade. No ultra high speed, but no problem TBH. Slow lens? Yeah, but great colour great battery life, brilliant menus and autofocus... If you look on paper at the specs and the choice looks silly, but actually use the cameras and all becomes crystal clear. Sony menus are so bad they ruin the experience of the cameras for me. The build quality is also questionable, probably partly due to an obsession with miniaturisation that is becoming counter productive. The colour is so obviously Sony because it's always missing something. The F65 looks great, but once you get down to consumer/pro crossover level I'm afraid it's just a bit piggy unless you want a kind of odd bluish Kodak emulation on everything. its not that you can't make it look nice, it's that it restricts you to a certain look that isn't always suitable, so I find unless the situation is very controlled I can't cut it with Canon C footage to my satisfaction. its so disappointing because Sony specs are great, and their innovations like the memory CMOS for high-speed footage, as well as continuous ND are brilliant. But every time I get one of these things into a high-pressure situation or back into post I just feel let down. i actually WANT to like them, but I don't! So I'm venting. ill add some XC10 footage to the pinned thread shortly...

No! One could argue you don't even need a good film, regardless of resolution ? Luck will help though... And contacts...

I've been tempted a few times. It's just size and need for external recorder to get the highest quality that puts me off. I love light cameras!

I read this with one really long sigh... Well, in my head, doing that for real would probably be dangerous. it was just so predictable, I mean I didn't want it to be true, the Sony spec sheet was, as usual, amazing; I can't remember a camera of theirs that hasn't made me eventually hate it because of bugs though. all this progress and I'm still using a bloody C100. It works, grades easy in hi-dr mode (sort of semi log) and the footage flies on a laptop. I actually WANT to find something even better... But I don't like too many compromises I hope one day Sony do bring us a camera that he no bugs, a great or even passable codec and has their usual lower-than-Canon price points, but until then... I Gotta keep using what works... so sad

You can export ProRes from Premiere on a Windows PC http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html i use this for any jobs or festivals that demand ProRes delivery and it works. It's the only way I know that doesn't involve coding ffmpeg. no point installing the DNxHD component from it, use Avid's. when I'm not using it I tend to uninstall it as it sometimes causes import issues for certain Quicktimes. It's good when you're in a bind though. i never use it unless I have to because of someone else.

One of the Leicster Square cinemas in London ran The Master as a 70mm print, so perhaps they'll run this? Also Samsara was run as a similar print in some cinemas I think. The main difference is the bouncy feel of film. Digital projection is so clean. Also 2K projectors you can sometimes see the pixels which I hate. Film bobs about and flickers and so on, it's a different feel even when it's subtle. I like it but it's so rare to see it now. Soon it'll be a thing of the past apart from at specialist screenings.

This is a great interview, love this bit! I think this is still on Netflix as the Lost Interview. its true unfortunately. It's also sad that post Jobs Apple now primarily focus on the size, thin-ness and processor speed, all the limp marketing angles their competitors do. I now kinda miss the left-field innovation in cameras, only Sony seem to push spec and innovation in an attempt to grab market share. Only competition will speed up innovation. If only they could really nail colour...

No, "colour science" is effectively a group of processes that happen before this output. They even happen before raw. So don't worry!

don't go shooting that lovely stuff in Candle-light now old chap ;)

It sounds brilliant! id love C300 ii but I'll probably hire for now. also, JCS, I hold up my hands and say you were right in the other thread FS5 vs C300 ii when you said ease of use would trump spec for me despite what I thought. As much as I want Slog to be the best, I just find Canon much less work to get a nice result. Canon are like some dude you're jealous of because of his success and want to hate, but can't because he's a nice guy too! Or something... I think this report serves to back up the idea that 5D Mk iv will not have the crazy video specs everyone wants. No 4K, as that's reserved for their video offerings. no high frame rates at decent quality, since even their flagship won't do this. yeah I could be proved wrong, but I'd put a pound down on what I say above. The exception to the pattern was the 550D and successors. at the time the 550D gave the same video as the 7D for far less cash. But even as everyone else moved on Canon smelled the dollar in maintaining the split between C line video and D line stills. until someone challenges 1. Their colour and 2. Their ease of use and menu design, this will remain the case. conpetition forces the hand in free market, no one has quite caught up yet and managed to gain market traction too.

I'm not sure it'll even have 422 HD! could be wrong, but not surprised if it didn't and was 420 8-bit again