Emanuel

Jon, there are two features I really miss on the GH5s version: IBIS and the upcoming 4K/60p 10-bit, even though we may workaround that 2nd one and I believe not technically possible yet into GH series but for soon, let's also hope so : ) Lack of IBIS is much more a PITA, unfortunately... 2x GH5/GH5S bodies is the only solution I find to overcome the trouble. Which means to have the better cinema camera as B camera :-D Here's their "technical excuse":

I liked that 2nd part of your post : ) Indeed ;-)

LOL I love the way you point out exactly on the other side of the coin :-) *coug cough* Buy two body units and you'll have no need to deal with no IBIS in daylight or up to ISO1600 :-D

I hope you may come then to inform us, the_people. BTW, what's the story with the GH5 I have no clue about?

LOL On the spot, pal! I had just quoted him so pretty affirmative... As much as you I think, I give all my best going after doubts rather than certainty based on presumptions spread by, in and on the web : ) And charts. To reduce real shooting conditions. I already had my part on that thread related to GH5 NR @ high ISOs despite its success. Fortunately there's a new hope now :-D

Until then, we should take in consideration the GH5S father's word, no? BTW, still on GH5S vs a7SII consideration... a 10-bit higher bitrate code + Dual Native ISO with the whole DR at disposal on both 400 and 2500 ISO values make the whole difference as far as color rendition concerns at least. This is not too little and the comparative tests so far just prove it. DPreview tool is absolutely weak to show anything else beyond that you mention. I got it, Jon, not addressed to you :-)

Sony? What the hell Sony is related to their sensor? Haven't you followed the thread? It is time to end the myth that's a Sony sensor, I guess :-) LOL At same time, Jon... We... who?? His "mystery solved" remark is all about the performance of the new sensor and not else, I believe. PS: BTW, it's only 400 bucks: VLog L comes included ;-)

@Don Kotlos Correct. As above-posted, economies of scale are the "reasonable excuse"...

LOL No more likes for today, I even had to remove a couple of them (sorry, Luke!) Nice one Zak, exactly! I guess that's why I've already pre-ordered mine... hehe ;-) In a more serious note now and in a word: business. Let's accept that because I'd rather have them than some other competitors much less, I'd say, innovative business makers. That is, high bitrate, the 10-bit stuff, anamorphic support, Dual Native ISO at this price point, even 4K60p and so on. Balanced sellers feeling the market and their customers as much as these guys. For some reason, I'm writing this one here. Don't they say they listen their loyal basis? If not, someone will be in charge to address them the link :-D

Jon, the point is not the 500 bucks plus, the principle instead. Give me a solid reason to justify the difference of price. Ah OK, the GH5S is a better suitable cinema camera. The price of materials...?? *rolleyes* Their only reasonable excuse is the economies of scale. But please, give us a break when someone pops up with the everlasting R&D argument. When the Panasonic man comes to honestly tell us both models were developed at same time.

Learn to do your home lesson instead, dude... : ) Here are more LEGIT tests. FUD is over, for once, I hope. (vimeo embedding is not available there:) https://vimeo.com/227812784 What about to research a little bit before to take assumptions based on what pops up written on internet? ;-) Let's take a look on those vimeo users: https://vimeo.com/perfectloveweddings https://vimeo.com/littlepotatofilms Do they look like suspicious??! LOL :-) Right. FUD is a bitch and never welcome. Sorry to feel the need to write it.

I know. See my edit above. Your keyboard is quicker than mine : ) If I didn't write yet I will now: that's nothing about complaining. It's strictly business POV. Technical side is also secondary as I've been trying to point out. It happens. No need to be so defensive as fan user of their products I also am. A bit different of fanboism :-D

Nothing about greed (I know the word was not introduced by you : ) but business. Let's differentiate : )) That's the reason why GH6/GH6S will come, not if will ever come. That's pointless :-) David, if you pay more attention to that I'm writing you'd find out I exactly posted what you're asking for :-)

David, before you infer whatever comes to mind, let's pay attention on his words, not mine (E :-)

They could be listed for same 2000 bucks, I believe. The Panasonic man said in his interview they had developed both camera models at same time. A business decision made they postpone the launch.

The most ingenious here is the fact practice redefines theory... ; ) I've learned with what I've seen :-)

Yes, it is : ) Many a mickle makes a muckle. That's the way business works...

Thanks David for your input. I guess we'll never know, actually. Here is why I also don't buy the technical explanation for IBIS absence on GH5S version.

GH5 is overprocessed to scream out proper softness handling at post. Good for large formats printing. A pain for excelling in the motion picture department, mate. As hybrid rules :-)

Reliability is paramount. Nothing a bunch of batteries can't overcome. When any add-on of gear or even by software is truly PITA. Not feasible for hundreds of shooting scenarios. Mark my words, they would beg for a dozen of batteries if necessary. To be honest, I find barely unacceptable when professionals complain about handling several battery units. Stabilization in-camera, well, is simply a game changer. They're going backwards on that one. Power supply is a weak excuse to my view. GH5S is both a brilliant cinema camera and the best accessory to couple with GH5. Only an outdated hybrid though. Strictly because of a business decision under my perspective.

Right. So the reason why they left it out of there? When GH5 battery is much better than any of their direct camera competitors as for instance Blackmagic or Sony. Or the business factor in order to not affect native GH5 sales? As their own inner concern... So not product centered. When people can end to buy both GH5 and GH5S bodies as myself. That's the (whole) point IMHO :-)

Very well, it is not possible to switch it off then. Thanks for the enlightenment. So you or someone else will convince me now they are unable to supply such 10MP sensor coupled to Dual Native ISO with IBIS 'always active', please? And that we'll never see it on GH6S in any way other than as from upcoming technology to still develop this or also next year(s)? ;-)

Gotcha! My turn instead LOL : ) Shame my posts failed to convince him to go on my and in his own behalf ;-)

No worries. The point here is all about the product as fair alternative to the lack of IBIS on GH5S, not exactly these samples. If they give a fair idea of the outcome, it's not exactly a big deal to present themselves or one of them even if non-sync anyways. That said, we can extract the good part and respective findings from there. I also don't concur the shaky section of the previous example posted here could have been shot with IBIS on GH5 by accident as you wrote. If for a few part you may find it acceptable, that's merely merit by the camera operator hands of his setup circumstances; not else to my eyes. If so, we'd have a much more interesting solution beyond the native scope of this thread to even address footage shot on IBIS, go figure! : ) Sorry buddy but that's what they fairly tell me :-)

Right. But there's no sync between both sides on his side-by-side sample. Follow me now?