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GoPro is far from being "ahead".

Nail in the coffin?  GoPro is still light years ahead of the competition.  Protune, Cineform, flat profiles, global shutter...they had this years before people ever heard of Log.  You can shoot 4K Protune flat and export to 1080p 4:4:4 right inside GoPro studio.

"I really fucking hate Sweden".
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
I love American reviewers. They're the Funniest. Brits are just ancient colonial racists. Almost to the point of being boring. Americans, on the other hand, democratically crib so uniformly. I love their reviews. This review was so clumsy, disorganised and cribby, it was hilarious. Never mind that the product got completely ignored. 

According to rumors, the update to the G7 and LX100 will be announced around September 19, 2016 and I imagine availability will be in November/December 2016 (in time for X-mas) . I received my GX80 on May 20, 2016. That's a total of 6 months at being the newest. That seems on par with other Panasonic cameras I guess. Actually, I thought the earthquake in Japan would have had an even bigger impact for Panasonic as I believe Sony was making these sensors. Really, the GH5 availability will be the big question.

Is this your usual tone, or are you suffering from oral leprosy. 

Hahaha. It's true, though the time period for the newer models is too short.
 
True. But they are making 6 month old models redundant. That is very curious. 

I am not sure what Panasonic is upto.
It kills the GX7, GX8 and G7 with the GX85. And now they are rumours of the G80 that will have OBIS and 8-bit 4-2-2 INTERNAL. If it is true, it will make the GX85 redundant.
At this rate, in the end, Panasonic will kill all other lines, except the GH. 
Very inspiring. 

So? They're lower end models you're referring to, so of course they should be replaced by something better fairly quickly.
Additionally the GX series is aimed at photographers, thus naturally their video specs should be easy enough to beat with a soon to come out new model.

I've only tried "Normal" IBIS with the Nikkor 28mm and I couldn't keep the thing still. With e-stabilization in 5-Axis Hybrid mode, it floats. 

Actually Film Grain doesn't have to be very Obvious (for want of a better word). I saw some films (most likely shot on the Alexa and Red Dragon), which looked way too digital, and un-filmlike, without grain.
IMHO grain doesn't make the image worse. It makes it better. It makes it seem more alive. 

I have no scientific backup for this but I'm convinced adding grain/dithering also intensifies perceived colour depth. 

I'll give Hybrid 5-axis a go and report back. IMO the GX80's IBIS is pretty good, taking out almost all the micro-jitters, which is what you really want anyway. Does it replace a tripod? No, but I'm sure if you turn off IBIS altogether, you'll notice a huge difference.

The manual is a mess. Panasonic probably gave it to some Japanese kid to translate it for $10, ans he used Google Translate. 
 
There is a video on Vimeo with the eStabilization (with and without), and there is a slight improvement in the already excellent stabilisation. Though it crops in further into the frame, and thus is a curious tradeoff. 

Adding a bit of grain can help dither digital highlights from having razor sharp edge contrast clipping as well as give an overall image the impression of added sharpness without making the edges buzz. When integrating CG elements into live action plates it is still one of the the go-to methods to help get the two to blend together better. An image with grain can still look very clean, as everything is uniformed with the global grain effect....which can be very different from digital 'noise' - which can sometimes only effect the shadows of an image, and is often not as monochromatic as film grain. Denoising an image - then adding grain back in can work great...again, this is often because often the non-uniform colour noise is removed/reduced, then a gentle wash of global monochromatic grain can really unify an image in it apparent sharpness and contrast. Film Convert grain is pretty good, but when I can I use real telecine scans from 35mm and overlay those at varying opacity. It is of course often down to personal taste and how effectively/subtlety it is used.  
I tend to regard image noise from digital as similar to the interference on a badly tuned old analogue TV...can sometimes be very a distracting buzz and detracts from the viewing experience.
Grain is more like the pops and crackles you hear on vinyl...part of the experience and can actually add to the experience when used well - seems to add some impression of physicality (even if emulated digitally). Subtlety is key I think - does not have to be very obvious at all to improve an image (unless you are intentionally going for a grind-house look or trying to emulate old 16mm stock).

Actually Film Grain doesn't have to be very Obvious (for want of a better word). I saw some films (most likely shot on the Alexa and Red Dragon), which looked way too digital, and un-filmlike, without grain.
IMHO grain doesn't make the image worse. It makes it better. It makes it seem more alive. 

Film grain is best when used after denoising an image. Anytime I use Neat Video to reduce noise I'll add a layer of grain. Otherwise it looks like plastic. Noise/grain at low ISO's are fine but when you get up to 1600 it can look nasty.

It is very likely that either Panasonic doesn't include IBIS or has an option to switch it off during recordings. The IBIS has 2 main issues:
1. Heat issues (especially in a weather-sealed 4k camera, and one that does 4-2-2 10-bit Internally); and 
2. Noise: If the GH5 is to have usable sound from a mic mounted on the camera (via a camera plugged into the camera's mic socket), then the IBIS noise may be an issue (unless some shotgun mic can completely isolate the sound from the camera).

It is very likely that either Panasonic doesn't include IBIS or has an option to switch it off during recordings. The IBIS has 2 main issues:
1. Heat issues (especially in a weather-sealed 4k camera, and one that does 4-2-2 10-bit Internally); and 
2. Noise: If the GH5 is to have usable sound from a mic mounted on the camera (via a camera plugged into the camera's mic socket), then the IBIS noise may be an issue (unless some shotgun mic can completely isolate the sound from the camera).

It is very likely that either Panasonic doesn't include IBIS or has an option to switch it off during recordings. The IBIS has 2 main issues:
1. Heat issues (especially in a weather-sealed 4k camera, and one that does 4-2-2 10-bit Internally); and 
2. Noise: If the GH5 is to have usable sound from a mic mounted on the camera (via a camera plugged into the camera's mic socket), then the IBIS noise may be an issue (unless some shotgun mic can completely isolate the sound from the camera).

Hahahahahahahaha. 
See, even the GH4 seriously outsold Panasonic's expected numbers, and thus production had to be seriously ramped up.
If Canon makes $100 on the C100 in net profits, then probably Panasonic makes $500 on GH4 (these numbers were obviously Very different, initially). But the GH4 probably sold like 50-100 times as much as he C100. So, in the end the pricing isn't governed by anything except net profits.
That is why field monitors cost so much more than Smartphones, despite the kind of features and technology found on each device.
At $2500 the GH5 can make a killing for a 4k 4-2-2 device, if it can attract a certain minimum numbers of people, who will primarily use it for stills. The DSLR/DSLM filmmaking community is still a very small proportion of the DSLR/DSLM buyers, and therefore its photography features would be a huge governing factor for its sales figures. 

I am guessing the price would be more in the ballpark of $2500, if it has 4k 4-2-2, and 5-point IBIS (and most likely a lot more tricks up its sleeve). 
Edit: $2000 not $2500. We shouldn't give Panny any such crazy ideas ;-)

Panasonic is moving closer to sending Canon's 5D Cameras to the grave. 
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice ... 

I think Dwayne Johnson is going to surprise people in the coming years. When he was first trying to breakout, we saw he was interested in being part of riskier, more art-house productions. And after struggling to be taken seriously (and trudging through the likes of The Tooth Fairy and Escape from Witch Mountain), I'd be willing to bet he's going to use the clout he has now to stretch and participate in some more thoughtful/compelling/cutting edge cinema. I doesn't hurt that he's a genuinely good person too, and deserves his success. I put he and Keanu Reeves in the same category: they've both built up so much goodwill in the industry and with their fans that (despite any perceived limit on their acting chops) that they are bulletproof to critics.

Do you know about photographers... aka still shooters? ?
Anyway... buzzing for the gh5.... seems absolutely perfect for my needs... bring it on.

I think it's terrible if their quality control is not too good. And could be worse if they don't have great customer service either.