ntblowz

Frame grab from today's interview. Just made basic adjustments to balance the RGB parade, nothing else. WB needs a little tweaking and I feel like I never add enough contrast...
Shot at 4k24p roughly 50mm and f/4 or 5.6, can't remember which one as it was getting brighter and my ND only went to 5-stops, so I had to stop down to prevent hotspots on the boats in the BG.
Chris

Can anyone walk me through this sequence of events ?
 



 
 

This video kinda confirms what I see.. Panasonic Vlog is the most robust codec so far, can be over and under exposure and still can get away, Sony you will have to use non log profile to have "clean" lowlight, underexposed slog is so ugly.
 
 
 

This video kinda confirms what I see.. Panasonic Vlog is the most robust codec so far, can be over and under exposure and still can get away, Sony you will have to use non log profile to have "clean" lowlight, underexposed slog is so ugly.
 
 
 

Yeah the devil is in the detail!  R6 dont have reliable long session 4k is a huge bummer, the C70's AF apparently is just slightly better than C300 III but nowhere near the same as DPAF II on the R5/R6/1DXIII.
This race I was shooting in cinestyle instead of clog because of fast turnaround we need (due next morning), editor have no problem editing 4k50p on H.264, 4k100p is still quite laggy but we do not using too many of those as our is for TV segment while the main media team is the artsy stuff.
S5 should be really good for your use,  I got S5 myself cause it is quite good for the price you pay for the features and more for my side jobs (with anamorphic and stuff).  R5 is mainly for company work and some photography.  The main video guy for this race team is still on GH5.
 
Here is photo I took on R5 with the RF 600mm, the 600mm is pretty good for the price/size/weight.

Yeah the devil is in the detail!  R6 dont have reliable long session 4k is a huge bummer, the C70's AF apparently is just slightly better than C300 III but nowhere near the same as DPAF II on the R5/R6/1DXIII.
This race I was shooting in cinestyle instead of clog because of fast turnaround we need (due next morning), editor have no problem editing 4k50p on H.264, 4k100p is still quite laggy but we do not using too many of those as our is for TV segment while the main media team is the artsy stuff.
S5 should be really good for your use,  I got S5 myself cause it is quite good for the price you pay for the features and more for my side jobs (with anamorphic and stuff).  R5 is mainly for company work and some photography.  The main video guy for this race team is still on GH5.
 
Here is photo I took on R5 with the RF 600mm, the 600mm is pretty good for the price/size/weight.

That is pretty cool, it seems like there is more than meets the eye when comparing the R5 and R6. I think if the R6 had even 1 4K mode that didn't overheat it would be far more useable. When the timer got down to 5min I tried switching out of CLOG thinking maybe H264 would add more time (no go), then I dropped down to 4K30 and it only added 2min.  I guess I just had to experience everything first hand to decide it wasn't for me. There's only so many reviews you can watch until you have to see for yourself.
 
Based on my R6 experience I cancelled my C70 preorder, am returning the R6 and ordered a Panasonic S5. For my particular use cases the S5 ticks every box (dual slot recording, XLR audio via adapter, no overheating, 4K60, H264 video files, useable photography features, etc.).
 
I think if the R5 offered dual slot video recording and Canon offered an XLR adapter for it along with the one mode that does not overheat that would have been enough to make me consider the R5. Video recording redundancy and audio is pretty big for me.  I have no doubt that I would have enjoyed the photography features.

A really big difference in size between the S1H and the S5. I believe too many corners were cut in making the smaller grip though. Additional cuts in the VFR system and customizability of the buttons are some downsides that I hope are addressed with the year end firmware update.

Well it is official for me, I'm going to return it. I probably won't even keep it past the weekend. The countdown timer is completely unbearable; shooting video with this camera feels like one of those outdoor shoots where it can rain any minute and ruin the shoot; except this is how it will be every time I use it. It can't replace my GH5, 5D4, or C200, and it can't even be a reliable C cam so it has no place in my gear bag. Just shooting BTS footage today with a mixture of clips and photos and I managed to get the overheat timer down to 5min. I tried changing the date and pulling the battery but the time remaining didn't change. To my touch the body was barely warm and the ambient temp was around 78F.

The only good news is that the overheat timer did seem to recover pretty quickly after the camera was turned off, it went back up to 10min within a few min of being turned off. This is with FW 1.1.1.  I think calling the R6 a hybrid is generous when its video features are less reliable than my 4yr old 5DIV.  Basically for me this camera will never pay for itself, and I will always need to bring something else as a backup if it is a true hybrid session so there's no point in keeping it.
 
I know this thread is supposed to be about the user experience and not the overheating but in real world hybrid use the overheating ruined the user experience for me.

I thought the same thing about the EOS R. Why do Canon's expensive mirrorless cameras feel like toys? Sony's A7 series does too, as well. But man, the Panasonic cameras are built SO NICE. Love their design, the way they look, feel, operate, and how they feel like professional tools. 

Ok first impression, the body feels like you can actually kill a person with it, the amount of metal feel is quite surprising, my R5 feels quite plasticky in comparison.

Were you in CLOG on the R6? That makes a big difference, I've read it is 8 bit H.264 footage until you turn on CLOG. I didn't test 4K30FPS at all or non CLOG. H.264 should be fine because NVIDIA cards can HW decode but need the CPU for H.265, my CPU was hovering around 70% and DR was playing the footage at around 5FPS until I created proxies.  I do think Canon needs to add an option to use CLOG with H.264 like the C200, this would be the best of both worlds as long as you properly expose and WB on set.
Speaking of CLOG, it really needs CLOG3, my Canon CLOG3 to REC709 LUT did not work on this footage, it was way oversaturated and the colors shifted a bit as was expected, so now I'm hunting for a good Canon CLOG to Rec709 LUT.
 
 
Even with my terrible setup (kit lens, probably not properly exposed, no proper CLOG to Rec709 LUT), the colors,  ease of grading,  final look, skin tones, and highlight roll-off, was better than anything I have gotten out of the GH5 except under perfect conditions.  Below is a quick screen grab from the shoot. For exposure I just turned on 95% zebras, watched the histogram, and dialed it down right below the zebras for the sky, the sun was setting in the background and in the display the sky looked blown out, on the WFM it shows clipping but I was able to bring back some of the details in the sky anyway. With the GH5 I'm pretty sure I would have lost the sky and it would have been difficult to match the skin tones. I wish I had a side by side but this was very quick and impromptu. 
 
The shot below was using CLOG, 4K60FPS, on a 1080P timeline cropped in by 60% in DR for framing, and the finishing LUT was from Noam Krolls LUT pack

Ok, so I couldn't just keep sitting here thinking the R6 might work for what I need and the C70 was overkill so I came up with the perfect plan that ended up with me owning an R6. I have the C70 on pre-order but it won't ship until Nov. The R6 was available at a local retailer and the retailer lets you return the R6 for up to 30 days after purchase with a 15% restocking fee. So this sounds perfect to me, I get to "rent" the R6 for a fraction of the price of a normal rental house for 29 days which gives me time to cancel my C70 pre-order if the R6 is perfect for my needs, or I can take it back before the 30 days is up and still be on the list for the C70.
Anyway, I've now had it less than 4 hours and there are already some things I don't like about it that I thought I would be able to live with, and some other surprises that no one on YouTube mentioned
Overheating - yes it really is a thing. It was 78F today and the remaining available time on the timer hovered around the 10min mark for most of the day.  I was doing a lot in the menus, taking a few images, and shooting a few clips and had had it set to CLOG and 4K60FPS which is my normal shooting setup on the GH5. I never hit the overheating limit but staring at the timer completely ruined the shooting experience for me.  I can't imagine being on a paid shoot and all I can think about is if it will overheat. It shipped with FW version 1.1.0 and I upgraded it to version 1.1.1 after shooting during the day so I will test some more over the weekend to see if it gets any better. For everything I liked about the camera, the overheating was just this huge problem that overshadowed the whole experience. Electronic Level - I am a bit of a fanatic about having a perfectly level horizon so I didn't think anything of it when the electronic level came on in video mode as expected. What I truly can't understand however is why it turns off when you start recording. This completely blew my mind.....while recording is the main time I need to know if it is staying level.  Also, a lot of other useful information leaves the screen as well. I like to verify right after pressing the record button that all of the settings are set properly....well a lot of them disappear from the screen while recording, things like frame rate, color space, etc...things I like to glance at while recording in live view. XLR Audio - I tried to tell myself this wasn't that big of a deal but I literally have a weekend of shoots lined up and all of them require audio. I'm already trying to think how I will handle it for the weekend. With the GH5 I just throw on the adapter, put a wireless lav on the client and we are set.  Editing - Just like everyone else stated, editing these files are a nightmare. You will need to transcode. I have a 14 core CPU, RTX2080Ti video card, Davinci Resolve Studio, and NVME storage....doesn't matter, DR couldn't play the files until I created proxies. Dedicated Buttons - I found myself really missing the dedicated ISO button from my 5DIV and especially the MF switch on the lens. I know you can remap buttons but I don't like doing that, I like to keep everything default and use the Favorites menu. I also miss the flip switch that immediately got you into video mode or photo mode on the 5DIV instead of rotating the dial past all of the other presets that I'll never use. Build Quality - The build quality is also lower than I expected. I expected it to be on par with the GH5.......its not, let alone the 5DIV. For the price I paid the build quality is a disappointment. The video image quality does look amazing, I'm sure I didn't expose properly and I didn't have a Canon CLOG to REC709 LUT so I did some quick hand grading; oh and I had the crappy RF 24-105 F4-F7.1 kit lens, but what came out of the camera despite all of this was nothing short of incredible.  I also took some quick images with it and of course they were what I expected from a 1DX sensor, so no complaints there. Speaking of photography that side of the house is rock solid. No complaints there, and thanks to this camera I am finally sold on using an EVF for photography. The EOS R had noticeable lag when panning and just didn't look right to me; the R6's EVF had no noticeable lag and felt a lot more natural.
I truly do not know what I will do yet,  I can say without hesitation that with my very limited testing the R6's video quality blows the GH5 out of the water....but there's so many compromises in so many other areas especially with the overheating that I don't know if it is worth it.  Lets not even talk about the fact that it does not do dual slot video recording and still has a 30min recording limit. It also seems like even after all of the discussions about overheating I still don't understand....from a cold start the R6 only shows 15min of recording time for 4K60FPS. I did test it and the overheat warning came on at 20min but it kept going until it hit the 30min mark. After turning it back on it refused to let me start recording again and did not return to 15min available until about an hr later.

That's what you want to feel in your camera!

Did you hear about the Komodo which got stolen at gunpoint? 

If he'd had an S5 instead, then he could have fought back! 

So here’s a quick iPhone snap of my new stills  and manual focus video unit (the S5) and my old but repurposed XT3 with battery grip plus Fringer plus Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 which is my ‘new’ static manual focus video camera and occasional autofocus (because I do not yet trust the S5 and may never do so).
Battery grip with the XT3 because it needs so it has some power and can record for more than 20 mins (albeit 30 max) and for the ergos those very rare times it will be handheld.
500g which is nearly a lb in old money difference in weight and obviously the XT3 combo is a lot bigger in the hand.

Oh, boy, Curitiba post center is slow as hell to release goods...

(I lived there - in Curitiba, not in the post office - for 20 years)

Right, tried it and like it. Fine detail is another league to Lightroom. Another league.
In order to get the most out of Fuji X files, I have been batch editing the raws through Iridient X Transformer which then demosaics them in some 'special' way and then spits out a set of DNG's.
It's slightly laborious as it takes around 2 hours for say a 500 image wedding.
I then work these in LR which then chucks them out as finished Jpegs.
Well I just tried a few images in Rawtherapee and did nothing but import the raw files and told it to export them as large Jpegs at the default settings.
I then imported this Jpeg alongside the original large Panny Jpeg and holy moly, night and day.
I thought LR was allegedly not doing so well with the fine detail with Fuji, but it looks like with at least Panny as well.
The only downside to this is I'd need to batch approx 500 raws through Rawtherapee and then into LR as I have a special sauce preset for my 'look'.
Lot's of playing to do over the Winter and I'm not going to jump wholesale into anything else right now, partly because I don't have another wedding until April '21 soonest and partly because it will be interesting to see how Panny raw files do in LR directly when Adobe gets it's finger out.
But thanks indeed for the heads up on Rawtherapee!
Apologies for the non-video (but S5) talk folks!

I guess it means you can assign the video sensor crop ('Image Area of Video' in user guide speak) setting to a function button.

Saw it from FB post, really curious about the price of it.
possible up to 1000fps in 30 or 90s 

Will let you know after the race this weekend.  My EF lens running pretty good on R, R5 should be even better.
DR wise I feel my S5 will trump R5 until clog3 update.

Ok first impression, the body feels like you can actually kill a person with it, the amount of metal feel is quite surprising, my R5 feels quite plasticky in comparison.

There's only one thing bothering me right now (apart from the weather that is preventing me from getting out and shooting) and that is the raw files not opening in LR.
I've tried a Windows 10 compatible exif data changer but my test file is still reading DC-S5 even though I keep changing it to DC-S1 or DC-S1H.
I have never tried changing Exif data before so don't really know what I'm doing but if anyone knows, until Adobe get on it, should I be trying to change the Exif data or trying to convert it to a .DNG file?
Hey @ntblowz your S5 looks just like my S5!
 

Well NZ is not really rich country vs Oz, we earn quit bit less but we pay much more for living expenses and the gears

That's awesome! Been pretty busy myself in recent weeks with sound work (did a shoot for Saatchi & Saatchi yesterday, went out onto the water with Team NZ!), and a bit of LX Assist work too on Music Videos / TVCs. Glad I've got today empty! I needed the break. 
 

Will let you know after the race this weekend.  My EF lens running pretty good on R, R5 should be even better.
DR wise I feel my S5 will trump R5 until clog3 update.