Andrew - EOSHD

"In electronic shutter mode for stills, the GH4 can silently shoot 16MP raw shots which is great – but of course these also use a rolling shutter so are prone to the related artefacts like skew."

 

Is this mode better than the GH3 though? I was hoping it would be considering they are both shooting from the same-ish 16 megapixel sensor, only the GH4 uses the 50% faster readout. 

 

The GH3 doesn't have a full 16MP raw output on the electronic shutter.

 

So much better.

 

Since GX7 and GM1 Panasonic have had the full pixel readout for stills without mechanical shutter.

First of I want to thank you Andrew for testing the camera in various ways and sharing your results with us, much appreciated!

 

This camera has really caught my attention and it feels like nothing can really compare at even a fairly close price point at this moment.

 

My concern though is that I come from Canon with a couple of L-series lenses that I really don't want to give up. I've been searching around to see if there's any news from Metabones on their EF-MFT speed booster but it seems like they've been quiet for a while. Anyone know the latest updates here?

 

Has anyone worked with using any other passive adapter/speed boosters for EF, like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry0nuJrXhpg, on an L-series lens? I understand that the aperture needs to be set in advanced on another camera, so if let's say I'm using my 24-70mm f/2.8, leaving the aperture wide opened, and moving the lens over to the passive adapter/speed booster, my work around for controlling exposure would be to use shutter speeds greater than what's equal to the angle of 180 degrees right? Am I risking to damage the lenses by using them on a passive mount?

 

How would you rate this as a solution in anticipation of Metabones finally releasing an active EF-MFT speed booster?

 

Thanks!

 

I think I will give one of these a go. Problem is some EF glass like the 85mm F1.2L needs active mount even to focus and of course IS needs an active mount too.

 

For shooting wide open on the others, I'll consider it but I'm not sure the optics will be up to Caldwell (metabones) standard on it?

The Odyssey 7Q doesn't have a 4K HDMI input and you don't need it to record 10bit out of the GH4. I'll try the 10bit 1080p to my Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle and see what it looks like.

 

Atomos Shogun will be necessary for the 10bit 4K, or the YAGH box with Odyssey 7Q via HD SDI.

All tests based on pre-production model

Here we come to some areas which aren't perfect on the GH4, but which nevertheless are both a step forward from the GH3. I like what Panasonic have started here with 96fps slow-mo. This is the first consumer camera to deviate from the video standard of 60p to give us a genuinely useful creative tool which sets the ball rolling for improvements in future models.

Read the full article here

When was 96fps dumped? I cant find it europe specifications.

 

Not dumped. It isn't in the output video frame rate specs, it is part of the Variable Frame Rate menus.

Get a used Canon 80-200mm F2.8L. Same beautiful look as the newer ones and as sharp, but can be had on eBay for around $600.

I don't mind poorly researched lazy comments. It is the poorly researched lazy RUDE comments which have nothing to do with cameras that I am trying to moderate the best I can, being the only guy running the entire site.

The Atomos guys did actually show the Shogun with the GH4 and talked about it, but again easy to miss because the editorial priorities of the other sites were mainly on other things, for some reason.

 

Atomos reached out to me during the show and were really nice. They are definitely keen to work with Panasonic and are already doing so, providing their ProRes implementation for the VariCam. So although the Shogun was developed with Sony, they are just as interested in the GH4.

Err I don't know how huge getting exposure on this blog would be. Let's be honest. It's a good blog but I doubt it would provide enough exposure to the winner. I would love to be wrong on this one :).

 

News Shooter did actually cover the GH4 and had Illya Friedman on the Teradek show. However I noticed it was rushed and about 7 minutes long, very minimal time give to that camera compared to other less significant products at NAB. Call me paranoid but it almost seemed that whenever a GH4 was mentioned in one of the live panels, the subject was batted away.

Yep I think he was misunderstood. Sorry FilmBrute!

Good idea about the screening room competition :)

Andrew,

 

If it helps you with the load, I can offer my time and experience to moderate the Anamorphic Forum.

 

Having worked in the glass industry with three majors (including Pilkington Bros) and have offered good content in this area (about one in three of my posts get a like); my offer is on the table.

 

Thanks John. I'll get back to you on it :)

Im up for moderating a section on lenses and lighting ,

I'll even film examples to post on intersting topics people can do ,

if anyone is interested?

 

I'll consider this for sure! I think it's a good idea... Will let you know.

Perhaps you should  change the 'architecture' of your website. As it is now, you have your blog posts, with the comments on your blog posts in the forum. If you put those comments at the bottom of the blog post page, rather than in the forum, it will be easier for you to follow them, while at the same time being more 'detached' from the posts in the forum. A bit like Philip Bloom does it. He has a blog+comments, and a separate forum. He seldom or never participates in forum posts, but has some great moderators. 

 

Believe it or not I used to have comments on the bottom of the articles and the trolling was MUCH worse in that format.

I subscribe to the 'evolution' theory above.

There are so many changes in the video market, one just can't google everything. I receive newsletters from Adobe, Avid, BMD, Apple, Panasonic, Sony, CreativeCow, NoFilmSchool, Wolfcrow and a bunch of german sites, but I learn faster and more from EOSHD.

Here is how it works: Andrew shovels in articles. People leave their comments, many in the way of dogs who set their marks on new trees. But very quickly you have a broad scope of opinions, of aspects. They aren't reliable, many aren't even on topic, but in the end, one knows more.

 

I subscribe to this to. I think I will leave the forum open to all but find ways to stop it going over the top, I think there's a balance between nature and nurture :)

I think I do need to take a bit of a break from the moderating. Anyone like to be nominated as a mod?

Dear Andrew, can you show test of rolling shutter in Panasonic GH4?

I now that it was increased on 50% but I wanna se how it looks. Please show as you can.

PS: I'm your subscriber from Russia and I have registered on your forum special for send you this question because http://goo.gl/099sj5 is no question in google.

With best regards, Pavel

 

Sure, will do one tomorrow.

Some common options are: moderators, and low content forums/threads. Many people just want to argue. It's become a form of socialization; arguing with ppl online. Well, on several forums I'm on we have low content threads that help contain the bickering. Closing off the forum will prevent any new knowledgeable people from joining, and people will not be able to interact with this site as well. It's a pretty niche site. Where else can people talk anamorphics like this?

 

Yes but in your other post, you said something about 99% of non-pros being bozos and shooting nothing but static trees.

 

Do you see what I mean by being constructive in posts from now on and now putting stuff out there that is designed to instigate a huge argument?

And, something tells me that the GH4 will give you exactly the same result as the sony.

 

I have already tested it. It doesn't.

If the prosumer camera footage I watch on vimeo is indicative, 99% of the people who will buy this camera won't rack focus, let alone pan the camera. I'm pretty sure non professionals who buy multi thousand dollar cameras just buy stuff to produce test footage. In other words  the A7s will be just fine for filming bridges, people walking, and sunsets.  :P

 

How incredibly condescending towards non-pros.

I just want the place to be even more constructive than it already is really.

 

Keep the suggestions coming :)

Just ran the test clip through 5DtoRGB using 601 (709 has no change) :

 

 

Nice highlight recovery. :)

 

Wow that turned out well. Good job.

 

Still I think the trick with this camera is to expose for the highlights as the shadows are very clean and can be lifted quite a bit.

This is pretty much exactly the kind of thing I am getting at.

 

People who don't properly 'get' or even read the main topic or article and make a quick comment.

 

It is like you're paying more attention to Ivan's words than my own.

 

Just this moment said it and clarified that I am not picking on beginners or non-professionals and yet you feel that is the case. Why?

I'm only posting this as a means that you might understand where (at least some) of the backlash is coming from.  Try to go easy on yourself and ignore the bashing.  The Internet is cruel like 3rd grade is cruel.

 

But, because you- like most content creators on the internet- are not a credentialed/degreed journalist- there are certain things that you (and most others) don't know about reporting, but probably should.

 

For instance, report facts only, and if it's opinion, then preface it by stating *clearly* that it is *your* opinion.  It just won't work when you are both the reporter and the op-ed guy.

 

For example, (not to belabor a point), how can you report fairly on BMD when you post the following quote the day BMD launches their new cameras:

 

"Their [BMD] existing Cinema and Pocket Camera user base is lost. It’s over."

 

It's fine to have an opinion, I'm not judging you.  I'm often wrong myself, and I, too, get overexcited.  But you need to find some way of separating opinion from news.  When it's combined, some people lose their ****.  I appreciate your site, your reporting, and these forums.  I'm just trying to help out (as a non-biased member of any forum or fanboy of any manufacturer.

 

A blog is by definition not traditional journalism in the sense that you only report facts.

 

For a start it is written in the first person perspective, as in "how I see it" like a newspaper column. If I take my personal opinion out of EOSHD I may as well just reprint some press releases and call it a day.

 

So you essentially are suggesting I actually do that. Wow!

 

Secondly it is written as a log (hence the origins of the word... web-log... b-log) of my filmmaking experience and the cameras I use and am interested in. It isn't Wikipedia.

 

I believe if you read the articles with any kind of level-headedness you can easily see what is my opinion and what is an objective fact.

 

Clearly me saying "the user base is lost" is, taken in context, an opinion. Based on the facts, but nevertheless it is my opinion. I am web logging my opinion and experience.

 

Most people who have 'called me out' for inaccuracies actually just don't agree with my opinion. I haven't got the facts wrong I have just got the wrong opinion and they don't like it.

 

Heaven help me if I ever write a satirical article.

 

I did that about Red once.