Andrew Reid

does the a7s deliver 1080p at 120fps via HDMI, because the atmos recorder would acually support that, would be awesome

 

720p for 120fps.

Looks like Blackmagic brought these guys aboard...

 

 

 

Funny :) Now add 7.5KG + lenses. 10KG on your shoulder and 10" screen in your face. Ergonomics and Blackmagic don't mix do they?

The Ursa is like Blackmagic have acted on a satire and made it real.

 

It reminds me of that joke ENG box for DSLRs to make them look more 'professional'!

I don't understand the incredible backlash here.  No offense intended, but this piece reads like Andrew did in fact get fired from a job due to not changing the battery or media in a BMCC on time.

 

Blackmagic gets 10x the criticism it derseves and about 1/4 the praise.  Yes, they should have addressed their firmware issues before launching 2 new cameras at NAB.  Yes, their customers are fair to expect support first for their cameras.

 

But put it into perspective people.  You can shoot incredible digital cinema with the three cameras they already had out.  Whether the lack of in-camera card formatting or lack of time code, etc. are flaws that are so big to render the cameras not worth your money/time/etc.-- that's for you to decide.

 

But I can handle the unaddreseds firmware issues in order to get the stunning imaging these cameras provide.  If Blackmagic didn't offer these cameras, how much would you have to pay to get similar quality imaging out of another camera today, or a year ago?

 

Also, if it wasn't for Blackmagic's innovation, I don't think we'd be seeing Sony, Panasonic and others making the moves they are right now.  Their cameras and video cameras would liekly be crippled and less capable.  That's how those compannies make money-- not by taking big risks (like the a7s) that potentially kills off their big money makers (like the FS-100, FS-700, etc.).

 

Quotes like:

 

"Their existing Cinema and Pocket Camera user base is lost. It’s over."

 

"[BM] completely turns its back on [its] existing indie filmmaking user base."

 

"[The] trend is to go smaller and lighter. This goes in complete opposite direction."  (BM has done nothing but buck the trend with their cameras.)

 

"It smacks of greed to go after the production market before you have even satisfied the indie crowd."  (Greed? Just take a look at the Sony/Canon/Nikon financials as well as their business practices-- you might change your mind.)

 

These quotes are not just someone's rather venomous opinion- but they do harm to the very companies and interests we should be looking out for as artists/hobbyists/filmmakers who desire immense quality at a relatively tiny price.

 

Just chill y'all.  Blackmagic shoud've adressed the firmware issues first, but don't overlook the incredible thech they're trying to bring us at very low prices (or declare their effort failed and futile).  Nor should you be taking for granted the innovation they are driving.  (In other words, stop throwing the babay out with the bathwater.)

 

 

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Unless I fired myself, no it didn't.

 

And I'm a big fan of Blackmagic which you'd know if you had read EOSHD for more than 5 seconds.

 

I have done a lot to put Blackmagic in the spotlight. Recently put them in a major print magazine in the UK on every shelf.

 

Don't lecture me on my opinions... I'm entitled to them... and this camera is just not for me.

It's a divisive camera.

 

Probably no sure right or wrongs in this. It will work great for some people and for others not.

 

I still think the trend for cameras in general is to go smaller and lighter though.

 

Look at Red as they went from Red One to Epic. Look at Sony between F3 and F55. Canon between XL1 and C300.

 

Lots and lots of people want the convenience.

 

I just don't see how that iMac screen on the end of a hinge is going to hold up to rough & tumble / rental either.

It looks like the story of 2014 is taking shape in the form of 4K on high end mirrorless cameras. Last year for me it was raw on the 5D Mark III which excited me the most and before that it was the Blackmagic Cinema Camera. This year is more exciting on the tech and creative front than any I can remember.

Let's look at exactly how the 4K shooting GH4 and A7S compare.

Read the full article here

"I think what he is saying is Panasonic actually finishes their low end products before pushing out newer high end products."

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I always thought this place was for the artist? The guy who will jump through hoops to get a beautiful image? The guy who will use a $200 Nikon to get a taste for 4K/Raw/60p?

 

Now, all of a sudden, a couple of firmware glitches (that I also want fixed, but don't live or die by) coupled with the news of them pushing on with a new camera and they are "turning their back on the indie community"?

 

In a perfect world, my £650 cinema camera would show me how much SD card I have left, but I just work out my GB per minute and guesstimate, erring on the cautious.

 

As long as BM keeping giving me huge bangs for bucks, they'll keep getting my bucks... A bit of firmware angst and some new cameras wont change that. They are still firmly the great shining light of the indie community.

 

In a perfect world? How about in the REAL world. We are talking basic functionality. Stuff that can kill you on a shoot and end up losing you your job. If you have a mega expensive unrepeatable shot ready to roll and the camera just cuts in the middle because the card is full without warning, I'd love for you to come back on the EOSHD forum and sing the praises of your £650 cinema camera.

spec wise it ticks all the boxes

super 35mm size sensor 4k and global shutter in a usable body form like an Alexa -

what more do you want

Blackmagic have listened to all the feedback off their other 3 cameras

 

indie film makers will jump all over this - superb!!

 

I honestly don't see it this way mate.

 

Trend is to go smaller and lighter.

 

This goes in complete opposite direction.

 

We already have the same 4K capabilities and likely even same sensor in the Production Camera. Rig a monitor up to that and you have Ursa without the bulk.

 

Also those ProRes HQ 4K files are virtually unmanageable when it comes to archiving footage. Be prepared to delete and compress a lot of master files if working with those. I am already dreading it with the A7S... And will be begging all the recorder manufacturers to come out with some lighter codecs for it.

 

The URSA doesn't suit me as a filmmaker but that's not to say I haven't considered the possibilities and who it WOULD suit.

 

I just don't think it's well conceptualised or designed to be honest. A massive heavy screen on a little hinge? A 7.5kg camera body? No thank you.
 

It smacks of greed to go after the production market before you have even satisfied the indie crowd... who are constantly asking for basic features and updates.

 

I'm afraid I don't be shooting any Blackmagic in 2014. What a shame.

Blackmagic are launching not none, not one but TWO new cameras at NAB 2014. One as you can see packs quite a punch with a quite revolutionary design. The aim of the URSA is to take all the accessories you'd normally rig onto a Blackmagic Cinema Camera and integrate them. That is a sensible idea. However the execution looks to have produced a 7.5KG monster. There's even an HDMI version of the URSA which has no sensor block or lens mount but a cradle on the front for any camera with HDMI output, such as the tiny Sony A7R. That would give you a full frame 4K URSA recording to CFast cards.

However the URSA is aimed at a large crew, large scale productions and in doing so completely turns its back on Blackmagic's existing indie filmmaking user base.

To make matters worse Blackmagic show no sign of any significant firmware update for the 3 existing cameras at NAB, which is what people REALLY wanted them to announce.

Read the full article here

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Discussion continues on that thread :)

 

This announcement fills me with dread.

I can guarantee this announcement will not please any of Blackmagic's existing user base, unless backed up by some really good news in the form of significant firmware updates for the Cinema, Production and Pocket cameras plus Resolve 11.

The latter is definitely coming and takes Resolve's editing capabilities up a notch.

Read the full article here

Many in same boat as you, simply edit in 4K and deliver as 2K. Many benefits to it.

 

Difference is a click of a button and that is it.

Andrew, I know you've shot with the FS100, which is great in low light, how do you think the GH4 compares?

 

Not quite as clean as FS100 in low light but with some post processing you can get them pretty close to each other.

 

Shoot 4K on GH4, add noise reduction plugin, downscale to 1080p.

Can I use AF when I put my canon glass on it?

 

It's currently so slow as to be of limited use but it does work.

I can guarantee that the internal XAVC-S 1080p from the A7S will not look as good as getting 1080p from the 4K output and doing your scaling in post with all that processing power available on your desktop.

 

8bit 4K 4:2:0 = 10bit 1080p 4444 remember. If the maths have complications and gotchas, the image to my eyes does not. The GH4's 4K looks like 10bit when you grade it and when you look at it on a 2K display. Gradations are smooth. Colour is fantastic. Sampling shows no signs of pixilation or jaggedness at 2K. At 1:1 at 4K you do see some aliasing and jaggies from 4:2:0 sampling. They disappear when scaled correctly to 1080p or 2K.

No, you're right, I was exaggerating a bit, I don't care about 4k yet either, only care about good 1080.

 

4K = good 1080p.

 

So therefore you should care a lot Brian!

Raw or ProRes / Pocket Camera vs GH4 and A7S 4K is definitely a topic for a future blog post.

 

My feeling so far (based on the GH4) is that this compressed 8bit 4K stuff makes for very nice 2K and 1080p indeed, which looks every bit as good colour and dynamic range wise as the Blackmagics or raw on 5D Mark III.

 

Also GH4 in 4K has far less moire & aliasing than the Pocket Cinema Camera and BMCC, especially when downscaled to 2K.

Atomos have just sent me some info on their upcoming 4K recorder, primarily for use with the A7S and GH4.

Read the full article here

A good idea to separate output and recording when speaking of HDMI and the external recorders.

 

So 8bit out to 10bit is still 8bit.

Spec sheet says 8-bit. It's quite easy to feed 8-bit acquisition into 10-bit ProRes, which is probably the case here.

 

Den or the Sony spec sheet? Who is right?

 

3840 × 2160(30p/24p) / 1920 × 1080(60p/24p) / 1920 × 1080(60i),YCbCr 4:2:2 8bit/ RGB 8bit

Price confirmed  $1699.99 body. Really competitive price for a full frame.

 

Where's the source of the info please?

 

Good news if true.

Moire-free? Don´t think so.

Rolling shutter? No shots on demo video.

8Bit? Sounds familiar ...

 

 

BUT:

 

It is so much better than Canons way! And we all are a little bit to petted with all the news from BM and Panasonic in the last year.

 

It will be as moire free as a JPEG still at full resolution. It reads out every pixel from the sensor in 4K video mode.

Looks impressive at high ISOs.

Remember the HDMI output in 4K is uncompressed...

YouTube does not give you the full image quality.Read the full article here

I am not disappointed in the S-lightest :)

 

Just picture the full frame 4K image out of the HDMI on this thing... going to look AMAZING.

Breaking news... The Sony A7S has been announced at NAB 2014.

It records 1080p internally in XAVC-S format at 50Mbit but the big news is the support for full 4K output via HDMI to an external recorder.

Unfortunately it does NOT have an internal 4K recording codec like the Panasonic GH4.

Read the full article here