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Seems like a pretty good incentive for a company to never make a camera with those features 😂 If Panasonic make an S1II in the BS1H body, it might be the last camera I ever buy.

For me the future of LUMIX lies in; A. will we see an S1Hii and B. if so, what will it be? If there is one in the pipeline and it’s a banger, it won’t ‘save’ the brand anymore than it would for any other manufacturer as it’s a much bigger picture than that, but as a (pro) consumer of this brand, it will at least have demonstrated their short term commitment. Also we have to remember that the sky was falling in on Nikon just a few short years ago and they were utterly doomed…and at the end of 2025, they are the industry darling. Financially how any of them and doing and what their short, medium and long term goals and outlook is, probably even they don’t really know and Panny are probably on the shakiest ground of all, but had a fairly big surge, at least amongst the community bros this year so… Being totally honest, clean sheet tomorrow morning, I’d pick Nikon without hesitation, for my needs, but I think LUMIX/L Mount would still be in second place and really loving my S1RII’s which are arguably the best tools for my specific hybrid needs available today. ZR vs S1RII for stills? Zero contest, easy LUMIX win. For hybrid? LUMIX wins again. Run & gun video? Could make a case either way but unless shooting R2D2-3CPO raw, I think LUMIX has more advantages. As an outright cine camera, maybe the Nikon. As a brand for the short & medium term, probably Nikon is the safer bet, but depending on how invested you already are. Will this pro services thing have any bearing? Well as a pro with Panny for nearly 5 years now, wasn’t even aware of its existence so… 🤷‍♂️

Add faster sensor readout to that mix and 32 bit support and its likely the last camera I ever buy.

So is this also a cinema camera, or is the screen too small?

I understand. On the other hand, they could just call it Panasonic Pro Services and it would be completely seamless. I can’t help but feel there’s something going on behind the scenes, though. You’re right — moving from Lumix Pro Services to My Panasonic just doesn’t make sense from a user’s perspective, at least in my opinion. I smell a rat — the whole thing feels a bit fishy.

Yes, Now you understand my frustration and my initial rant? And that table is for one camera. Imagine you upgrade camera and your HHXXYY lens doesn't work as expected anymore. Hey, and they are an alliance!

MYPANASONIC ? That would be 6 more letters to fill in with my black sharpie than I already have to and 6 too many. They are not going to change the camera brand from LUMIX. Maybe for some kind of service, but not the brand itself. Unless they have been smoking some serious grade shit and/or are ‘seeing someone’ for their personal difficulties.

This name screams "consumer". You just don't replace "pro" with "my" if you're targeting professional shooters. But nothing is impossible with Panasonic marketing team. However ditching Lumix brand is bigger mistake. Unlike Canon/Nikon and even Sony, their customer base are 80% video 20% still users, and all of them call their cameras Lumix. But marketing aside, they're facing a economic challenge they exacerbated themselves with not being fully committed to low budget segment of the market. The reality is pro folks don't upgrade their tools very often. You need enthusiasts/younger generations to keep the cash flow. But they just updating the high end full frame cameras. M4/3 is perceived as dead. L mount APSC is nowhere to be seen. LX compact in GX7 resurrection era? None.

R63 is looking good here in terms of colors and texture. It is not going to set any records for DR, but it has a nice filmic noise pattern and the DR is perfectly fine for its class. It would be a great camera to carry around town, especially if you are already in the Canon system:

I'm really not sure what to make of it. Apparently, the North American service is still up. In Europe, they're transitioning to "My Panasonic". Maybe, and this would be a good thing, they're getting rid of the Lumix name, suggesting more of a commitment from them. If not, they're either restructuring/streamlining (good?) or winding down operations on a service that wasn't profitable in the first place (maybe for all the manufacturers). From the perspective of pros, if they don't have a priority turn-around on a device, it could be a problem, but maybe it's just not a thing anymore. Maybe just have backups and go with the slower service?

I hope that’s not the case - I mean somehow Pentax is still kicking around, (thanks to the Ricoh GR 😅).

I think it's the beginning of the end for Lumix.

Yeah, they are the Alice people rebranded. A project that leaves their original customers behind and launches a "new" one. Lots of cases in Kickstarter, or in case of software it could be called "Luminar move"... Very different from, like, the Pixii project.

I will say, all of this is confusing — Sean (of Lumix Live) spent about five minutes talking about Lumix Pro Services just today. Either he’s not aware of what’s going on, or I’ve completely misunderstood. But if he isn’t aware, it really doesn’t look good… and here he is still promoting it while their doors are apparently closing in 25 days. That's communication for you!

Fair point.

Ugh. And to make it even worse, they don't use human-understandable names for the lenses, but use model numbers. You know, for all the people who say "I'm gonna shoot this with my H-H014." Plus they put NG for all of the Olympus lenses - wonder if that means that I was wrong about the ones that I thought went to linear when you engaged the clutch or whether it just means that Panasonic couldn't be bothered to check them. "I'd like to manually focus this, but first let me consult the table in my user manual to see if manual focus works with this camera/lens combo..."

Big markets of sports, journalists, news agencies, they need fast troubleshooting, fast lane repair, and so on. It does look like Panasonic has given up targeting these customers and will only be focusing on consumers, content creators and enthusiasts with future cameras. So does that mean no more high-end or pro cameras? (Could explain lack of S1H Mark II)

The situation is worse than I thought, and this information is hard to find. The last column is hidden at the bottom of this table. The table is different for every camera body. This is for GH5MII https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/connect/gh5m2.html Regarding the Summilux 25mm F1.4. The first version (H-X025 - 300USD used) doesn't support Focus ring control (ufficial Panasonic name for this basic operation) Only the second version support it (HA-X025) .

LOL. Why not just say that in the first place then?

that camera is not for us here in Greece... like first and second Canon R6 , they are overheat like crazy (30-40 Celsius half the year) ! Much more expensive too than ZR here.

The ZR is still a beast. That big screen, 32 bit audio and R3D workflow are seriously impressive, but it’s video first and still has a few UI quirks. The Nikon/RED partnership still feels a bit first gen. The R6 Mark III just feels more balanced, yet flexible enough to deliver cinematic footage straight out of the body with many C50 features/sensor ported over. A bit like the 5D mark3 with ML Raw, this feels like they struck the perfect balance. You can shoot open gate h265 for social or RAW for high-end delivery, switch to the mechanical shutter for flash stills, and color match Canon’s C line with zero hassle. Paired with the new 45 mm f1.2 STM, it’s a setup that really nails what I want in a hybrid rig. As a shooter who still swears by my old EF 35 mm f1.4 and 50 mm f1.2, this combo really speaks to me. Could probably now trade those lenses in for this new setup. The fact that the whole kit comes in around 3000 euros is kind of wild for what it delivers. For me it’s not about beating other systems, it’s just the first Canon in years that feels genuinely right for how I shoot. I'll give it a few days to sink in, Nikon Z mount holds the advantage of being able to adapt my EF, Sony E & Leica M glass all with AF which is something big to consider but its hard for me to dismiss open gate value in 2025 moving forward.

A bit small and lacking in res for 2025, but otherwise looks a decent spec overall but nothing especially exciting. That sounds pretty decent though... With a clean sheet, I'd still go Nikon personally, - I just prefer their history and direction they are going in.

Another nice camera that ist perfectly capable to shoot your personal "Frances Ha".

Well yeah the lack of a fan isn't going to give you unlimited thermals in the most demanding recording options but I find it quite acceptable (above reviewer got almost 2 hours in 7K RAW Open Gate 30p) and unlike the ZR the h265 is actually very usable here with constant bitrate oversampled 4K. If you add open gate, 4K120 no crop, mech shutter and EVF, it seems to me like the better hybrid choice. ZR is still fantastic considering its compact size, R3D code, 32-bit float and 4" display. It's just nice to see Canon holding no punches in this mid-tier market! I'm still undecided, I hope this pushes Nikon to add open gate and more RED tech like traffic light system to ZR via firmware.

Heat management is like Canon wants you to buy C50 instead And RAW file size situation is not different from ZR