The Panasonic S1 II pricing is wrong, and so is the entire product strategy since 2018

[Chrille]

8 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Panasonic are acting even more strange at the moment because they have no pro video camcorders any more. Why not? What happened to the Varicam line? EVA?

I guess they hoped for something like the success of the venice / Burano. And now they are out of the market because of the Venice/ Burano. 

[Andrew Reid]

4 hours ago, Chrille said:

I guess they hoped for something like the success of the venice / Burano. And now they are out of the market because of the Venice/ Burano. 

It does look like they have thrown in the towel.

The precedent for camera companies when they dump their high-end and pro stuff is not good.

They loose the halo effect of these products and the brand takes a battering.

Then they become totally reliant on consumer trends and the dreaded smartphones start pinching their customers, which doesn't happen at the Venice / Burano end of the market 🙂

Panasonic's core camera experience is still really good.

But they need to show more imagination. More varied form factors, higher build quality, better ergonomics and dial feel, use the word Cinema in their hybrid and filmmaking orientated cameras i.e. Cinema Lumix GH8... Get their marketing together, it's a shit show, and really focus on getting a camera together that appeals to proper photographers, not the S9, but something like an OM-1 or GX9 with their best full frame sensor from S1R II.

I sadly don't think they've got the commitment or the resources any more, I think Panasonic have done a restructuring and it has neutered the A/V and camera divisions.

[mtol]

19 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

The GH7 could also have evolved with the times into a FX3 / ZR style body. Instead it STILL handles like a STILLS camera.

I do appreciate a viewfinder, though. As it stands an FX3 is hardly usable without rigging, based on screen quality alone.

[Andrew Reid]

Nothing to stop them doing an FX2 as well.

[mtol]

35 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Nothing to stop them doing an FX2 as well.

Honestly I hope they go this route.

[ac6000cw]

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Nothing to stop them doing an FX2 as well.

They had an FX2-like body design (including a flip-up, multi-angle EVF) 9 years ago in the form of the GX8 - https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gx8-review/3

[MurtlandPhoto]

2 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

They had an FX2-like body design (including a flip-up, multi-angle EVF) 9 years ago in the form of the GX8 - https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gx8-review/3

That was my very first thought when I saw the FX2. I loved my GX8 back in the day. Sleeper standout right there.

[Andrew Reid]

13 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

They had an FX2-like body design (including a flip-up, multi-angle EVF) 9 years ago in the form of the GX8 - https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gx8-review/3

LOL. I know. We are talking about the lack of a modern full frame L-mount version of the GX8/GX9.

[John Matthews]

15 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

They had an FX2-like body design (including a flip-up, multi-angle EVF) 9 years ago in the form of the GX8 - https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gx8-review/3

The GX7 had it too. I had one and loved it. The GX7 Is also had the flip-up screen rather than the flip-out screen of the GX8.

[MrSMW]

I suspect they got cold feet after the BS1H box camera and whatever the other box one was.

See, no one even really remembers their names, or in some cases, that they existed.

LUMIX just seem to have been one of those companies that have focused more on the internal than the external and expect enough respect to come from what it can do, not how it does it or how it goes about it.

Meanwhile, Leica and Sigma within the alliance, have possibly had more focus on the external, the build, the form etc.

Between them, they could build the ultimate camera.

Individually they probably could, but no one ever seems to quite manage it...

The bottom line is we are probably not representative of the bulk of their sales, but I think it's a case of they are not pushing the boat out far enough.

I'm going to have a t-shirt made that reads;

PUSH THE FUCKING BOAT OUT.

OR DIE!