IronFilm Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 It's no big secret that many Leica cameras are just rebadged Panasonic cameras. So is this new Leica 60MP L Mount a camera a big hint at what the future S1R mk2 could be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I hope so and ideally max €3500. Still needs a 'light & compact' long lens for me, - the Achilles Heel of the entire L Mount system. Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 = 855g (not possible with L Mount) Lumix 70-400mm f4 = nearly 1kg Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 = 1.35kg Lumix 70-200mm f2.8 = >1.5kg When I was shooting purely stills and with just 2 bodies, 10+ years back, a 24-70 on one side and a 70-200 on the other, was the norm but took it's toll physically on longer days. I can't work like that today and especially as the bigger L Mount lenses really need a battery pack to balance them adding even more to their size and weight. My S1H with f4 70-200 inc. battery pack = 2.8kg My Z6ii with f2.8 70-180 inc. battery pack = 1.8kg The SL3 is barely heavier or larger than the Z6ii and far more capable...at a price obviously and the SL3 has now become my 'ideal/perfect' hybrid for my needs...but only on paper, because it's €7k+ in the EU so not a viable option for me. But Lumix or Sigma, bring out a sub 1kg, f2.8, 70-180 (I'd prefer 50-150 or even a 28-120) and pair that with an S2R at sub €4k and I'm all in on L Mount for the rest of my career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 23 minutes ago, MrSMW said: Still needs a 'light & compact' long lens for me, - the Achilles Heel of the entire L Mount system. Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 = 855g (not possible with L Mount) Lumix 70-400mm f4 = nearly 1kg Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 = 1.35kg Lumix 70-200mm f2.8 = >1.5kg Panasonic 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 is only 790grams (sub $1K to buy too!). But I presume that lens is too slow for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 5 hours ago, IronFilm said: Panasonic 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 is only 790grams (sub $1K to buy too!). But I presume that lens is too slow for you? Exactamundo. The f4 Lumix is borderline too slow for me in low light (and I already have this lens) plus I don't need anything over 200mm. 180/200mm with 24mp 150'ish with 45/47mp 120 with 60mp all work for me, ie, cropping works with the latter 2 focal lengths. I could even work with Canon's 24-105mm f2.8 even though it's a bit of a lump (but replaces 2 lenses) and the R3 is sublime, but 24mp so limited crop-ability. A 60mp 'R3' however... Another dream camera for me. Almost certainly another completely unaffordable. I am no Tamron evangelist but for 24mp, the pairing of 20-40mm f2.8 and 70-180mm f2.8, for me is bang on. Ultimately size is of less importance to me than weight and for me, that Tamron 70-180 is the lynchpin of the entire system. There is nothing else out their currently available, like it. But as I have said several times recently, VERY happy with my current set up and not actively seeking to change other than possibly after this season, and only if I can get my set up down from 4 bodies to 3, will I take this option. It won't be a Leica SL3 though, purely down to 🤑 But it could be with an S2R/H, but ONLY if within the L.M.A. they bring out something 70-180/200'ish f2.8 and significantly smaller and lighter then their current lightest at 1.35kg offering. Get it 1kg max and I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide DB Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Well I hope these are not the features of the future Lumix FF flagship. The specifications for the video look very basic. 8K@30p 10 bit but only 4:2:0 internally. PannySVHS and Thpriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 The S1R and the SL2 are the more stills focused units and perhaps the SL3 and any S2R will also be leaving the option for lower res more video focused versions? Full frame 6k 50/60p over 8k 25/30p internal all day for me. Thpriest and Davide DB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 12 hours ago, Davide DB said: Well I hope these are not the features of the future Lumix FF flagship. The specifications for the video look very basic. 8K@30p 10 bit but only 4:2:0 internally. Greater resolution comes at the expense of every other spec. Davide DB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 18 hours ago, Davide DB said: Well I hope these are not the features of the future Lumix FF flagship. The specifications for the video look very basic. 8K@30p 10 bit but only 4:2:0 internally. Panasonic does tend to implement and do video a bit better in their versions of the cameras than Leica's Davide DB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide DB Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Yes it's my fault. I was confusing S1R with S1H. What I meant to say is that Pana will be coming out to market with a flagship model quite some time after its competitors set the standard of what to expect from a hybrid camera today. So it's tough for Panasonic to catch up and maybe to add to that. A7S4 seems to be behind the corner. Of course, mine are just musings at the bar with a beer in front of me. I have my GH5M2 and I'm just waiting for this blessed GH7 to come out to change the camera. PDAF is too important for my underwater and wildlife shooting. Panasonic seems to have bad timing in switching from CAF to PDAF in all its lines. I would have already picked up a G9II if it weren't for the fact that an underwater housing costs 4500 euros so I'm taking my feet easy on upgrades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 26 minutes ago, Davide DB said: Of course, mine are just musings at the bar with a beer in front of me Same for a lot of us, ie, more idle chat and musing than anything. Some folks immediately think that because you have an interest in such things, you are unhappy with your current situation and simply believe ‘The Next Thing’ will fix all your issues. I don’t think that is so much the case here where a lot of our musings are more, “if I was not invested in X, I might be looking at Y or Z” and nothing wrong with that in my book! And ultimately it’s all harmless! IronFilm and Davide DB 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide DB Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 minutes ago, MrSMW said: Same for a lot of us, ie, more idle chat and musing than anything. Some folks immediately think that because you have an interest in such things, you are unhappy with your current situation and simply believe ‘The Next Thing’ will fix all your issues. I don’t think that is so much the case here where a lot of our musings are more, “if I was not invested in X, I might be looking at Y or Z” and nothing wrong with that in my book! And ultimately it’s all harmless! My signature in another forum is: "your new gear will not make you produce any better art than you already do" Maybe it was something someone wrote here years ago. I only i could remember, I would credit him IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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