stefanocps Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 hello i have just sold my xt3 as i want to upgrade some feature and possibily change the style of shooting So, a part of the quality image, i want a good AF, a usable stabilizer and a good zoom range..something like run and gun i could say. A camcorder like ax700 would be very close to what i want, but it is now quite olds and its technology must have been heavily surpassed from lots of gear..and for what it still costs i don't really feel like investing that much for such a kind of tool. But that is an example of the type of gear i would go for . Other newer camcorder have also lots of limitations, i don't talk of the 1" sensor that could still be ok, but about recording specs. Seems so hard to find one that record at 50/60 in 4k. So i am looking to sony fx30 which seems to me more similar to a camcorder (i talk about the way it is used). Combined wih a 18 105 i can have also the desidered zoom always connected without the need of change lens. But to remain within the budget (under 2k euro) i must buy it in tdimension site, and it is a kind of risk in the case i would need a warranty... In that case i might have some problem..i think./never bought there) SO i am asking some suggestion for alternatives within the budget i specified and with the feature i have described. p.s. I can look also at 2nd hand market of course tanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Fuji X-S20 used Excellent condition (MBP) plus new Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 (28-105 equivalent) comes in on budget and spec? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 51 minutes ago, MrSMW said: Fuji X-S20 used Excellent condition (MBP) plus new Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 (28-105 equivalent) comes in on budget and spec? xs20 was my first choice, i still have the 18 55 also(but if the af on tamron is good it might be a better choice) then i saw that price for fx30 in tdimension and i get excited, as it looks a real change more than the xs20. Anyway the xs20 is actually the alternative to fx30 till now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 OM-1 with 12-40mm f2.8 can also be had within budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 12 40 is short anyway...but you think om1 can be better than fuji?isnt'it m43? byw..have you ever had experience with tdimension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 If a camcorder is what best fits your needs, then it doesn't really matter if the technology is outdated or not if it has a good image and gets the job done. In your price range you'll have a hard time finding a camcorder-esque camera that has a 1" sensor and can do 4K 50/60p. You'll need to compromise somewhere. Panasonic HC-X1500 might be the closest, as far as having 4K 60p and being under $2,000. It however doesn't have a 1" sensor. The Panasonic AG-DVX200 can be purchased used for under $2,000 on sites like MPB. It's basically a GH5 in a camcorder body, has 4K 60p and is a M43 sensor. The FX30 is a great deal, though depending on what you mean by run and gun the stabilization might frustrate you. Looking at a UK dealer, this seems like a really good deal: https://www.wexphotovideo.com/panasonic-lumix-s5-ii-digital-camera-with-24-105mm-lens-3128170/ That looks like it's £1,899 inc. cashback? I've never heard of TDimension but I've never bought anything without a warranty if I could help it. In fact I often do the opposite: I always try to get an extended warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 Panasonic don t have good af, a part latest s5,so generally dont look at them. Other possibility is sony a6700. Tdimension has warranty but you have to ship to hong kong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 27 minutes ago, stefanocps said: Panasonic don t have good af, a part latest s5,so generally dont look at them. I just gave you a link to a S5ii with 24-105mm for under 2,000 euro. But their auto focus on their camcorders are fine/on par with the Sony camcorder you were looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 I see 2399 british pound, in euro 2800! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, stefanocps said: I see 2399 british pound, in euro 2800! whoops, my bad! it's £1,899, not euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Which is why I did not suggest the S5ii myself…though I could have sold you that exact combo a couple of weeks back within your 2k euros budget but unless time travel has become a thing…??!! 🤪 Not much difference between 4/3rds and APSC and as you said you didn’t mind a 1” sensor… You could always buy the OM-1 with that lens from MBP eu, try it out and if it’s not for you, send it back. Unless you actually need longer than ‘80mm’ but otherwise kicks your camcorders arse for; usability, build, image quality, stabilization etc. It would be my pick at 2k euros or the X-S20 + Tamron combo of you need that extra 25mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 7 hours ago, stefanocps said: So i am looking to sony fx30 which seems to me more similar to a camcorder (i talk about the way it is used). Combined wih a 18 105 i can have also the desidered zoom always connected without the need of change lens. But to remain within the budget (under 2k euro) i must buy it in tdimension site, and it is a kind of risk in the case i would need a warranty... In that case i might have some problem..i think./never bought there) As soon as I read the first paragraph, I was thinking of the FX30 for you. Maybe buy the lens secondhand, but get the FX30 brand new? That should keep you close to within budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 That s what i want to do, just have some doubt in buy at t dimension. Price there is around 1500 euro, and it is the only way i could buy it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 TDimension are another of these Hong Kong/China based companies aren’t they? I have used a few before such as Digital Rev back when I used to live in the UK 7+ years ago, but avoid now. When it works, it’s fine and you get a great deal, but if you wish to do a return or have a warranty issue, good luck with that. This is where it goes wrong for folks and all the 1 star ratings come in. You pay less, but you roll the dice using them. I would not. You might. Better the used market with someone like MBP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Agreed on going the used route with MPB or one of the companies that sell used gear. Most of them will include a warranty, and some even offer extended warranties. MPB I believe includes a 6 month warranty, for example. The FX30 is about $1600 in like new condition here in the US on MPB. I would save up and just go the FX30 route. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 I would go also for used market, but i cant find less than 1900. MPB has it at that price..in italy where i live even more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 hours ago, stefanocps said: I would go also for used market, but i cant find less than 1900. MPB has it at that price..in italy where i live even more! It's true, I looked myself! So you either need to: Go grey import, or, Up your budget by +500 euros, or, Buy something else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 41 minutes ago, MrSMW said: It's true, I looked myself! So you either need to: Go grey import, or, Up your budget by +500 euros, or, Buy something else! i think if i go for alternzative it is x s20, i like fuji, i would change for a more videocamera style device but all the other a part fx30 are not this style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Then back to this then: Fuji X-S20 used Excellent condition (MBP) plus new Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 (28-105 equivalent) At least, it would be my pick at this budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, MrSMW said: Then back to this then: Fuji X-S20 used Excellent condition (MBP) plus new Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 (28-105 equivalent) At least, it would be my pick at this budget. as i said i still have fuji 18 55..is tamron better? and it has same af performances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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