eatstoomuchjam Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 9 hours ago, zlfan said: I set my epic-x mysterium-x to 5k 60p 2.40 5:1. I used 5k 24p 2.0 3:1. I don't see significant improvement over r1mx 4.5k 24p 2.40 7.5:1. What difference did you expect to see? 4.5K vs 5K is barely any different and unless you're doing heavy grading or SFX work, going from 3:1 to 7.5:1 compression of raw footage should result in minimal impact to the visible image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 initially, 24 fps and cameras were motorized due to the need to synchronize with sound. when I watch Chaplin's soundless movies, I really enjoy them, and I think they are cinematic. like city lights, modern times, and earlier ones. sometimes he even used rack focusing. Chaplin was during the transition period of 16p soundless to 24p sound. I think 24p effects are exaggerated and glorified and even sacrified afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 Black Magic just announced a new full frame 12 k cinema camera, can do 12k 60p. The higher resolution, the more severe dizziness if there is camera movement. For example, sd 480 shaking and panning does not give much dizzy feeling, but 1080p is much worse, 4k is even worse. 12k with 60p is much smoother than 12k 24p in moving scenes, due to the high resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 I just watched the gold rush 1925. where is the 24p magic? why am I still enjoying the story and composition and action such much? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioD Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Hey HFR nerds, your two time Oscar winning director pinup boy changed his mind and now says HFR sucks. "You cannot blame audiences for not liking it because it's bad" - Ang Lee https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/ang-lee-bruce-lee-biopic-wont-be-3d-1234969304/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 8 hours ago, JulioD said: Hey HFR nerds, your two time Oscar winning director pinup boy changed his mind and now says HFR sucks. "You cannot blame audiences for not liking it because it's bad" - Ang Lee https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/ang-lee-bruce-lee-biopic-wont-be-3d-1234969304/ Well, I dislike HFR as much as the next guy, but the reason he's abandoning it is because of the ecosystemic/economic context within the movie industry which doesn't want to take visual risks with their production investment, not because Ang personally doesn't like HFR. Aside from that, never been sure why he's enamored with the look. I've read his rationale, but it still doesn't jibe. HFR pulls movies way too close to visual "reality" and narrative film are stories. Make 'em ups. Pretend. The nature of 24p's look is a huge asset. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 there is a cost effect ratio here too. other than magic lantern cameras, uncompressed raw cameras are extremely expensive, like the Alexa family. on the other hand, a 60p camera with a low end codec can be very cheap. doing action packed shots, the latter one will be more suitable. try a 24p thin codec camera, you can hardly see clearly anything once the camera is panning, tilting, or doing other complexing movements. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted Friday at 02:28 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 02:28 AM c300 og with nano flash 280 mbps I frame 59.94i 1080p is good enough for slow panning. c300 og's stock 50 mbps 23.97p and 29.97p 1080p are not usable for slow panning. I use 59.94p timeline in davinci resolve, and get 60p footage, seems fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted Friday at 02:38 AM Share Posted Friday at 02:38 AM 10 minutes ago, zlfan said: c300 og with nano flash 280 mbps I frame 59.94i 1080p is good enough for slow panning. c300 og's stock 50 mbps 23.97p and 29.97p 1080p are not usable for slow panning. I use 59.94p timeline in davinci resolve, and get 60p footage, seems fine. Please provide a clear and objective definition for "not usable". John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide DB Posted Friday at 05:30 AM Share Posted Friday at 05:30 AM 3 hours ago, zlfan said: c300 og with nano flash 280 mbps I frame 59.94i 1080p is good enough for slow panning. c300 og's stock 50 mbps 23.97p and 29.97p 1080p are not usable for slow panning. I use 59.94p timeline in davinci resolve, and get 60p footage, seems fine. I will tell you a secret... https://phfx.com/tools/panSpeedCalc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago even the latest fx9/fx6/fx3 will have issues in slow panning if they are not operated in raw modes, how can other lesser cams survive the 24p yet the thin codecs? I have tested with nano flash 280 mbps iframe, on f3 at 24p, still the slow panning looks jumpy, although much better than the stock codec. at 30 p / 59.94 i sdi output on c300 og, the nanoflash 280 mbps iframe really is smooth. so that 6 frames really matter, even when using 280 mbps iframe, a codec is similar to or higher bit rate than the prores raw. how can thin codecs of 24p provide "filmic panning"? oh, does filmic really mean fuzzy or dizzy? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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