Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
slatr

Stop Motion with BMPCC, lighting?

Recommended Posts

I want to see if I can use the time lapse function of my bmpcc to create some stop motion clips.

 

I have googled lighting and I haven't found the information I was looking for.

 

What I am looking for is some inexpensive, flicker free lights. I would appreciate any suggestions.

 

Thanks,

 

Brian

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
EOSHD Pro Color for Sony cameras EOSHD Pro LOG for Sony CamerasEOSHD C-LOG and Film Profiles for All Canon DSLRs

Are you talking tabletop, like with miniatures?  You're going to be better off, if you are doing tabletop or miniature stop motion, to just do manual, single exposure rather than try to work with a time lapse function which will introduce increased possibility of error and unneeded tension while working, unless that's some part of your process, trying to only do what you can fit into the interval between exposures while getting out of the way.

 

Or, since I don't currently have a BMPCC, does it not do single exposure?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

LED work lights are small cheap and filcker free

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROLSON-72-LED-PORTABLE-MAGNETIC-WORKLIGHT-TORCH-CAMPING-LIGHT-/131131567723?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item1e880cee6b

 

I have a whole bunch of them I cover them with LEE difuser and then use gels on them to alter the colour temp.

 

also these LED tube strips are superb ( as used on Only God Forgives film)  Ive just started using these this past 6 months to replace my Kinoflo lights as these are smaller lighter cheaper and flicker free they come in 3200k or 6000k colour temp

 

the 9w version is very very bright , I have built these into banks of 4 like Kinoflo

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T5-9W-84-LED-3014-SMD-Warm-White-Fluorescent-Light-Lamp-Tube-Bar-AC90-240V-60-CM-/400588726101?pt=UK_Light_Bulbs&hash=item5d44f2df55

 

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T5-4W-30cm-SMD-2835-20-White-LED-Tube-Light-Lamp-Bar-320LM-Office-Market-/111251225393?pt=UK_Light_Bulbs&hash=item19e716fb31

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've used compact fluorescent bulbs of the sort made for conventional incandescent lamp sockets in stop motion animation for years without flicker problems. I was shooting at variable shutter speeds with a stills camera. The lack of flicker does depend on the shutter angle, I believe, though I'm not very familiar with how shutter angle functions in relation to fluorescent, with regard to the Blackmagic cameras. The colors are nicer than cheap LEDs, but of course they're somewhat omnidirectional light sources so they're a little harder to control than an LED panel.

 

I'm curious as to why you want to use the time lapse function, maybe this is just a simplicity thing using what's available to you. I imagine finding a way to feed the HDMI video into the computer and take stills from there would be a little easier in the long run since some frames take longer than others to set up, and this would allow for reshooting frames when necessary, etc. The BMPCCs are certainly very appealing for stop mo purposes as they do not incur the shutter life problems that DSLRs do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with ergopossum. Use the HDMI and a specialized software like Dragonframe (or other). Then of course a camera with higher resolution offers you some possibilities like "digital zooms".

 

What you should not do, imho, is use frame interpolation functions or added motion blur. I loved the old Wallace&Gromit films, but I hated the cinema releases. They looked too close to 3D GGI, and that was very disappointing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey, I work at a studio that does stop motion. I've actually been in this industry since the early 90's. So, any kind light that you on a live shoot works for stop motion. We use everything from 100K Arri's  to tiny peppers, and sometimes even simple incandescent clip on lights.  If you're really worried about light flickering just use longer exposures and avoid florescent lights. It's not really something that we worry about. More troublesome are the cameras that we've used in the past that have automatic/motorized Apertures. Every time you shoot off a frame, it's actually slightly different. when you view the frames afterword, there's a slight flickering. So we always use Nikon manual lenses. 

 

Anyway, Now that I read your question I'm thinking that you don't actually mean "Stop motion" but rather "Time-laps". The two are not the same thing. I don't know if you know this or not so I'll just state it to be clear: Stop motion is where you move an object/puppet in small increments utilizing the principals of animation and take a picture, and then do it again and again until you have a sequence of frames that can then be played back at real-time.

 

Time-laps is where you set up a camera to shoot frames at a very slow rate until you have a sequence to be played back. For this the BMCC is fine but for stop motion, you would normally just use a still camera and something like Dragon frame to help with the shooting and putting the sequence of frames together on your computer. 

 

Sorry if you know all that already I just wanted to be clear.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks guys

Technically it would be time lapse frames to create stop motion. There is no way to grab or take stills that I am aware of on a bmpcc.

 

I didn't want to buy another camera or more gear for this and I wanted RAW frames. Sounds like trying to use time lapse for this might be painful though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi

I would use the normal video mode. 1 second for each clip or so and pull the frame.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As far as recording straight into the computer, I was thinking of the use of an HDMI-in card like this card, or this one or this one. In theory you could use a card like that to record the clean HDMI out of the camera into a program like Dragonframe's live view. But this is a significant amount of extra money and hardware.

 

Wow Ergo, that first card is really inexpensive. I will have read more about it. Thank you!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

  • Similar Content

    • By dia3olik
      Hey guys,
      I have a SpeedBooster for the Pocket and the Micro for sale, Canon EF lens version.
      Asking price is 450€
      I'm in Italy and I can ship to Europe for fair prices and even WW if needed (postal or UPS).
      BTW I also have a brand new Wooden Camera cage for the BMMCC plus the Wooden Camera PL Mount Pro kit for it in another thread

    • By Sandeepthefifth
      Hey all, I'm looking to shoot a narrative short film with controlled lighting early next year and am thinking about shooting it on my original BMPCC...
      I know, I know. No 4K, terrible low-light, and horrible battery life. But if 1080p was fine, controlled lighting throughout, and an external battery solution, is it better for me to use the original and cancel my 4K pre-order? I could use the money saved to pay for an additional cine prime/actually pay actors a decent wage...
      What would be the advantages in this case of using the 4K over the original?
    • By DIGICHombre
      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cine-NIKKOR-25mm-F-1-8-Nippon-Kogaku-C-Mount-Wide-Angle-lens-ADAPTER-Included/112964898960
      Great condition lens + micro four thirds adapter. Used it on my blackmagic micro cinema camera. Lens is made for 16mm sensor. 
      $315.00 USD. 
       
    • By DIGICHombre
      Nippon Kogaku Japan Cine-NIKKOR 25mm F/1.8 wide angle lens. Close focus up to 2 feet / .6 meter.
      Nippon Kogaku Japan Cine-NIKKOR 10mm F/1.8 wide angle lens. Close focus up to 1 foot / .3 meter.

      Bought on eBay, used with C-Mount to Micro Four Thirds lens mount on Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera. 
      Optically in excellent condition. Inside no specks of dust, haze, oil scratches that I can detect. Clicks work as expected. Focus is smooth.
      Cosmetically clean on outside. Very good for its age. 

      Close focus up to 2 feet / .6 meter. Very light weight, and tiny size. Smallest lens I've ever owned. Paired with BMMCC or BMPCC this makes a fantastic combination. BMMCC / BMPCC is super 16 sensor so I didn't need a speedbooster, and no vignette. I would expect to see vignetting on any sensor size larger than super 16.

      EXTRA
      Comes with a 40mm Switar C-mount lens, Metabones MFT to C-mount adapter.
      SELLING as a complete set. Asking $570 OBO.
       







    • By gsenroc
      Hi,
      I've got a BMMCC for sale. I've only used it three times.
      It comes with 6 batteries and a charger, and a Smallrig cage.
      Another equipment I'm selling is the Metabones Speed Booster for BMPCC.
      Both are in great shapes. No signs of use on the Micro, and the optics of the metabones is perfect.
      Price is 750 euro for BMMCC and 400 euro for Speed Booster.





×
×
  • Create New...