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On Test - First Impressions - Sony Rx10 And A7R


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Sony RX10 / A7R

More than any camera that came before it even from Sony themselves, the A7R marks the end of the DSLR era and a transition to a future. Next to this camera the Canon 5D Mark III looks, feels and performs like the dinosaur it is.

However it's the Sony RX10 that is arguably the most capable from a video perspective.

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I look forward to your full review, but my suspicions about the camera are coming true. I was really hoping the A7r would be better for video.

 

I am interested to see if there are any notable differences in video quality between APS-c OSS lenses and full frame lenses. 

 

Also, has there been any further news about the reported grip with XLR?

 

Thanks, Andrew.

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thanks for the review Andrew.

i still did not change my mind, will sell asap my GH3 (after 7 months) and buy the mark3 5d, that sony did not convince me at all..

 

 

Andrew can you please be so kind and advise me on what PC or MAC setup i need for RAW ( been reading so many articles) still didnt foun the answer..

 

 

Cheers

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Hi Andrew, I just registered in order to ask this question:

 

In your opinion, is the video on the A7R better than the 5d Mk3 WITHOUT magic lantern raw, in other words, stock? If so, how much? I think a lot of people would be interested in shooting full-frame video on this if it gives decent/usable quality without having to mess with raw.

 

Thanks!

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A7R is a strange product, video mode can't reach gh3's image in sharp and probably DR, if it is like d800, I've seen it and requires noise reduction, sharpness and lots of color correction from a flat_11 profile.

Then you think about stills, small size, probably lighter than a mark3 or d800, but, you need to look at this from a system point of view, how  many lens, how fast the focus speed, speedlights and wireless speedlights systems and features, no pro will touch this.

So, where does it fit ? who buys this ?

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A camera like the RX10 in full frame 35mm format would be a physical impossibility. There's simply no way currently to commercialise a 24-200mm F2.8 constant aperture full frame lens. If there was a way to design one it wouldn't be RX10 sized or have a built in ND.

 

This camera only works because of the 1" sensor.

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This is great news, Andrew! Looking very much forward to your review. I'm planning to replace my old Canon 60D for something a little less smaller, and planning to use it for video and stills. Always been a Nikonian for stills, so the D5300 is on my mind, which I've heard should be very good for video as well (I believe it shares the same sensor with the D7100).

 

But the RX10 seems to be a worthy alternative...

 

(Perhaps a little too much too ask, but are you planning a review about the Fuji X100S video capabilities as well?)

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A camera like the RX10 in full frame 35mm format would be a physical impossibility. There's simply no way currently to commercialise a 24-200mm F2.8 constant aperture full frame lens. If there was a way to design one it wouldn't be RX10 sized or have a built in ND.

 

This camera only works because of the 1" sensor.

 

What would be cool is if someone hacked the Bionz X image processor to get 5K raw out of it.

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Even if the A7R isn't great for video, it's great news for video. Hopefully all ILC's will very soon be true hybrids rather than bastardised stills cameras. Canon and Nikon take heed! 

 

Hopefully it will also mean an end to the ridiculous vanity of so many pro videographers (and photographers?) who won't be seen dead with a small DSLM on the pretence that clients like to see a big chunky 5D for their $$$. 

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Less than hopeless in determining the ability of the cameras due to the fact that each appears to have been exposed differently on the charts - bleeding the blacks and whites together and creating a false sense of contrast based edge sharpness.  I'd have also liked to have seen some logical use of picture profiles - at least try to match one to the other, or get a half way house so that the actual results are apparent.  

 

I hoped to see from this test whether or not my purchase of a A7R over the 5dmk3 was a critical error, but this test makes things even more unclear.  

 

I'd have also liked to have seen each of the results given a once over in post - since the 5dmk3 benefits from a sharpening in post, maybe the sony's might benefit from a softening because from this example it seems the resolution from the a7r is twice that of the 5dmk3 due to the mis match of picture profiles and exposures,

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Hello,
I'm new to this forum and first want to say that you guys do an amazing job here. Found tons of good information about 5d Raw here. I'm looking forward to the test of the RX10 :) 

I have a question: On the EOSHD was written that the A7, A7r and Rx10 are world cameras. Is this true for the RX10?

At the moment I'm in the staates, but flying back to Germany soon. Here the RX10 is about 300$ cheaper, but it looks like it is sadly a 60p only version. I have no info about that and can't find this somewhere online. If here the cameras are just 60p but in European Version are switchable between PAL/NTSC I'll order the more exoensive PAL version. Also can it record 50 and 60p in AVCHD and not only in mp4?

Furthermore I would love to know if a Ninja 2 improves the picture quality of the Rx10. How close does it come to a 5d mk3 RAW?
 

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A single 5K raw is 20MB, times 24 and you need 480MB/s, times 60 and you need 28.8GB for only 1 minute of footage.

 

Considering no external recorder is supporting Cinema DNG, and that recording 5K to SD cards would require alot of
Compresssion, you can already forget about it.

 

 

Gordeon from Cameralab already have compare video between the two A7 vs 5D vs D800

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_Alpha_A7r/

 

He found that A7/A7r is only slightly better than D800 and no where as good as 5D in terms of video quality

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A camera like the RX10 in full frame 35mm format would be a physical impossibility. There's simply no way currently to commercialise a 24-200mm F2.8 constant aperture full frame lens. If there was a way to design one it wouldn't be RX10 sized or have a built in ND.

 

This camera only works because of the 1" sensor.

 

Zeiss Vario Sonnars are simply stunning lenses , in a different league to most glass , I use them alot as my first choise of lenses

and that lens on the RX10 is superb.

 

there are other Zeiss lenses you can use on your GH2 G6 AND BMPCC , they are not quite as long zoom ranges or as fast but

the Carl Zeiss Contax N Mount lenses are equally superb

especially the 24-85mm N mount , its a big lens and amazingly sharp - cinema PL mount glass sharp

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A single 5K raw is 20MB, times 24 and you need 480MB/s, times 60 and you need 28.8GB for only 1 minute of footage.

 

 

 

Gordeon from Cameralab already have compare video between the two A7 vs 5D vs D800

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_Alpha_A7r/

 

He found that A7/A7r is only slightly better than D800 and no where as good as 5D in terms of video quality

I wonder why they always screw up those tests, he is not the first to put a 5d 3 vs Nikon or whatever brand and "omit" something.

This time, in the video he says 1/60 iso 1600 2.8, yet, on the canon he says f-stop 2.5, why? well, sony senors have a high DR and because of it, ISO 800 looks like iso 2000 on 5d 3 or even more, that's why 5d 3 is so dark compared to Nikon at same ISO and settings, so, it's logical to use as much iso as you need to brighten a scene to comparable levels since DR is so different.

Another important thing, right out of the box Nikon has a lot of noise compared to canon, but, who doesn't post process the image, especially who shoots with DSLR's, and it's not much, color and noise reduction, key to this is noise reduction, add this to the final result and you suddenly have an image so good compared to 5d 3 you question what is the fuss about how good it is in low light.

That's why DXomark rates 5d3 and canons so low in low light scores, first thinking is they are mad, but they aren't because they try to bypass any image processing the camera has when testing sensor, take raw image files and put them trough topaz noise reduction or whatever you use and you get about the same results but with higher MP count on Nikon or sony in this case, result, canon sucks, same for video, take that A7R or d800 footage and reduce noise in post and you get the same results of canon but with better DR and lower need it ISO.

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