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Good to hear. My thinking is the hope to shoot Prores raw on my Nikon Z6, then convert to uncompressed CDNG using RAW Convertor for Mac. Do you think the grading experience and flexibility will be similar to say uncompressed CDNG on the sigma FP? I know Prores RAW on the Z6 is line skipped but I doubt that’s much of a real-world issue aside from increased noise at high ISO. Plus I doubt the moire issues will even be very visible on much of my footage.

Wow, you have some nice work on your Vimeo channel! Did you shoot this with a 5d III in ML RAW? https://vimeo.com/81609980

I’m impressed by the above example. The highlight rolloff looks insanely smooth given there is no VLOG. Andrew, does HLG work in the 5k mode?

The freaking mojo

Yeah I’ve seen EM1X’s going for around $1000 US. Crazy good deal, very interesting alternative to a used GH5

Yes this app does exist and will perform the conversion. The video goes into detail.

From what I’ve gathered, unlike BRAW, while Prores RAW is compressed RAW, it is still undebayered Linear data. So it’s closer to CinemaDNG than us BRAW. This also explains why a CDNG conversion is possible.

yes, you can use Raw Convertor, costs $70 per camera license, is MacOS only but you can convert to uncompressed or compressed Cinema DNG

I’m hoping Prores RAW is close enough, because I’m most likely getting the Z6 PRR upgrade, will shoot Prores RAW HQ and then convert to Cinema Dng, hoping to get a similar level of organic mojo and grading flexibility.

Yeah my bad, I made the OG post and then noticed the link didn’t embed. Also forgot you are selling, my bad! I don’t have a problem if you delete these posts, was just trying to point out the prices are nuts.

Agreed, same with cinema dng finally being manageable just as everyone moved away from it 😂

Agreed, certainly a unique featureset. Really the only option other than the Sigma FP/FP L and the ultra-expensive Z9, when it comes to a hybrid camera with internal RAW video. Unless you count the sweet sweet 5d III w/Magic Lantern 🙂

Canon is to the cinema world what computers are to the elderly. Both just don’t make sense… I mean, having such horrendous highlight rolloff is unacceptable in 2022. When it’s equivalent to the lowest quality 4k from the freaking 5 year old GH5, that’s just sad. I don’t hear anyone talking about it, they probably want to keep getting their free review units haha. And then we have the whole fiasco with the R5, they just magically fixed overheating conveniently after the release of the R5C. This weirdness goes so far back, like Canon disabling DPAF in 4k, requiring a hardware upgrade just to add CLOG to the 5d iv, giving the EOS R free CLOG but not any form whatsoever on the top of the line 1dx mark ii, and flat out removing 24p from several cameras

Quite pathetic I must admit. Solid highlight rolloff is such a big part of a cinematic image, huge key to emulating film.

I definately see unique, often hidden advantages to shooting with Nikon cameras; the flat profile is mind-blowing with the amount of shadow detail it captures, considering it’s not a log profile. Still not NLOG or Prores RAW level but surprising. And NLOG (and I imagine Prores raw) make the camera shine. If the Z6 is this good I can only imagine how beast mode the Z9 is!

Haha yes I suppose I am. I’m most likely going to do the Prores RAW upgrade for the Z6, I know it’s line-skipped but I doubt moire will be an issue in the real world, I can convert to CinemaDNG for resolve use, turn off sharpening and noise reduction, yummy organic RAW images with IBIS and autofocus, for less money than an a7iv

Please do! Could be a total option; HLG may be able to be converted to VLOG in Davinci Resolve. You could shoot 4k60p and use optical flow to smoothly play-back in real-time at 24p without frame dropping. A potential solution for Panasonic full-frame with decent autofocus.

Oh well the forum decided it didn’t want to embed!

https://youtu.be/9cT0jXI7l4E

I think DOF adapters could have potential; existing phone solutions appear cheaply made with image artifacts such as extreme corner distortion and severe softness. DIY Perks seems to have nailed the DOF adapter in this custom extra-large-sensor rig. Image looking very clean on the R5, I imagine something like this could be severely scaled down; maybe to micro 4/3 size so we can use affordable cheap manual focus primes, keeping a small-ish form factor but still gaining actual shallow DOF and being able to shoot DNG RAW. I assume some of the MotionCam RAW output on the largest-sensored smartphones may even be comparable to a RAW still from an actually MFT body like a Gh5!

Awesome, very nice of you to give it to herein2020. Appreciate the contributions you both have made to this forum.

That’s very unfortunate! I hear you about the highlight rolloff, and in fact can relate. About half of my work consists of talking head footage where I can bring in big diffusion and spend time getting the lighting just as I like. But a large chunk of my work is also event recaps, where I have to often make do with whatever lighting is available. Thus I need a camera system which handles both scenereos well. It’s why I love NLOG on my Nikon Z6, the highlight rolloff is just excellent! As a result, if I have to film outdoors midday with the sun right in someone’s face and I don’t have the luxury of asking the person to kindly move to the shade or wait till golden hour and repeat their exact face of excitement…the smooth highlight rolloff NLOG and the Z6’s sensor provides really does save the day, and I find it substantially improved image quality when I’m not in ideal circumstances. Hearing that the highlight rolloff is that poor is not only quite surprising, given the fact that it has full fat CLOG3, but also a borderline dealbreaker for me! Have any example clips?

Yes thank you so much for the constant resources!

Backbone did a C-mount mod to the tiny Sony RX0, as well as many small GoPros. I don’t see how it could be done to a phone with some DIY knowledge. Would also open up the opportunity to get some actual shallow DOF!

Though I do understand not wanting to show the original comparison, saying as there were some errors. Still though, errors aside it would have been interesting to see.