Mustafa Dogan

Adobe finally added RAW support for S5 in Camera Raw and PS, LR etc. Just wanted to share. It was an issue here...

You absolutely missed my point. But it's ok, I still understood what your point is and respect it.
Just watch Gerald's S5 review video after 23:00 and you will understand why I feel punked as an S1 owner. He says at the end "(S5) has basically rendered the S1 obsolote because the S1's advantages aren't worth $700" and that is exactly how I feel.
At least they gave S1 owners a firmware upgrade with the improved AF but this doesn't change how I feel.
It even has quite a few extras borrowed from S1H which S1's don't possess.
Gerald Undone's S5 review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hepPjpE0C8&feature=emb_title

@Mustafa Dogan That´s the point I was trying to make in this thread. Thanks for pointing out and pointing to Geralds review.
Interesting enough, to use the S5 as a cinema cam, micro HDMI becomes a bummer for certain purposes. I am using my S1 as BCam mostly to the C300ii which I rent. Using the internal monitor is a joy for that. Using it for dolly work or as an ACam on elaborated sets would require an external monitor as eyes get tired from small displays and operating plus focus pulling will suck, especially if doing it for days.
So the S5 is an image wonder with a true and astonishing cinema image but not a cinema camera per se. So close to being perfect. Full HDMI, Panasonic! S2 with the same specs plus swivel screen and 10bit for HD 120p and 40k60 for 2500 USD/EUR- perfect cam and full HDMI of course.:)

You absolutely missed my point. But it's ok, I still understood what your point is and respect it.
Just watch Gerald's S5 review video after 23:00 and you will understand why I feel punked as an S1 owner. He says at the end "(S5) has basically rendered the S1 obsolote because the S1's advantages aren't worth $700" and that is exactly how I feel.
At least they gave S1 owners a firmware upgrade with the improved AF but this doesn't change how I feel.
It even has quite a few extras borrowed from S1H which S1's don't possess.
Gerald Undone's S5 review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hepPjpE0C8&feature=emb_title

The mighty FD 1.2 55mm Apsherical was sold right after listing it in my shop. I only had a single day to spent with it. All shots here are with 1.2 to demonstrate its performance. I used Panasonic's Nicest 709 VariCam LUT with basic lumetri corrections. All handheld.
The Aspherical version of this lens is indeed quite sharper fully open in comparison to the only S.S.C. 55mm. Sadly, it has also become quite expensive and rare.
 

The mighty FD 1.2 55mm Apsherical was sold right after listing it in my shop. I only had a single day to spent with it. All shots here are with 1.2 to demonstrate its performance. I used Panasonic's Nicest 709 VariCam LUT with basic lumetri corrections. All handheld.
The Aspherical version of this lens is indeed quite sharper fully open in comparison to the only S.S.C. 55mm. Sadly, it has also become quite expensive and rare.
 

I search once in a day or two for Panasonic S1 in youtube to watch every recently uploaded video. It is always nice to watch others works with same camera as yours. I feel inspired by videos like above which also in my opinion shows what an incredibly "easy to start rolling and delivering big time" camera the Pana S1 is. Especially with vintage glass! That was my main convincing strong point to choose it. You can throw anything on this beast and it handles colors, flair and color casts always perfectly!
I bought a Canon EF camera last week with an attached 1.2 55mm where I couldn't see the front ring in the photo because it was closed with a cap. Very fortunately, when I opened the package, it came out to be one of the rare Aspherical beasts! I will make a video with it but just wanted to share a few images shot at F1.2 with Raw and edited in PS. Added contrast and some saturation but colors are AWB without any tweaking. It manages this old elusive beauty perfectly.
 

I search once in a day or two for Panasonic S1 in youtube to watch every recently uploaded video. It is always nice to watch others works with same camera as yours. I feel inspired by videos like above which also in my opinion shows what an incredibly "easy to start rolling and delivering big time" camera the Pana S1 is. Especially with vintage glass! That was my main convincing strong point to choose it. You can throw anything on this beast and it handles colors, flair and color casts always perfectly!
I bought a Canon EF camera last week with an attached 1.2 55mm where I couldn't see the front ring in the photo because it was closed with a cap. Very fortunately, when I opened the package, it came out to be one of the rare Aspherical beasts! I will make a video with it but just wanted to share a few images shot at F1.2 with Raw and edited in PS. Added contrast and some saturation but colors are AWB without any tweaking. It manages this old elusive beauty perfectly.
 

Disagree. The stills on this tiny ILC are looking GREAT so far.
Imaging Resource (not DP review this time) has their initial G100 "Comparometer" images up, and as expected, they look just about every bit as good as the G9 which, for me, is a win. https://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM Sample shots are up too,  which also are very nice https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-g100/panasonic-g100GALLERY.HTM  For me, the fact that I can take this camera virtually anywhere (unlike my larger G9, and even GX85), and that can produce similar results while using the same lens system is significant and not a failure.
I don't feel it's productive to compare launch pricing on new cameras with used pricing on older cameras. Discussion about all new products would be moot if we simply disregarded those releases by comparing them to older cameras that were a class above and initially double the price. Buying used bodies is hit or miss, especially when those cameras have deprecated to half their original cost (like the X-H1 has done in 2.5 years.) We all know the G100 will also come down in price (both used and new,) that doesn't really further this conversation. 
Lastly, whether or not you deem something a failure without openly considering dissenting opinions and other person's use cases is also up to you. In my life, those times have been the most productive when I stepped outside of myself, my opinion and carefully consider why the opposing opinion exists.  I get what you and some others have said. There is little innovation here and fewer features than Panasonic's marketing team seemed to promise. What I'm saying is that the packaging and stills performance on the G100 is really good for certain photographers (like myself) and that viewpoint also matters. The fact that I don't agree with you and a handful of users in this thread doesn't seem to anger and affect me the way has some here. That's ok, I don't need to change that either. When searching the net for opinions about this release, I came across this forum, saw that many of the opinions were negative and added my positive opinion to it. I learned a lot about yours and others opinions in this thread and also a lot about the board itself. I'll poke around and learn more, but I honestly don't care to be badgered at instead of discussed with (especially by a mod.) There's a lot more civil and productive conversation to be had in other places.

I agree with this, and I don't understand the heated discussions around this camera. A G100 will probably replace my dying GM5 for when I need a compact camera for video and stills. The GM5 was more expensive than the G100 is, and smaller, but:
- The G100 has a much better viewfinder, much better fully articulated LCD, it offers mic input and a better sound system alltogether, better image quality, much better video quality and as opposed to the GM5 it actually has some kind of image stabilisation for video (EIS).
- Compared to the GX9, image and video is probably more or less the same, the GX9 offers IBIS but has a mediocre viewfinder and LCD, the last one only flipping up and down, and no mic input.
The problem with this camera is the marketing. If they had marketed it as a compact camera with an optional vlogging accessory, the response would probably have been much better. No other camera at this size and price offers a better viewfinder/LCD combo, and for many , that is very important. On a camera this size, the viewfinder and the shutter release are mostly what I need. As for other brands, except Olympus, they won't mount my MFT lenses.
As for the price, cameras aren't necessarily cheap because they are small. The Pen-F is a good example.

I'd stay away from slow 35-70's made by Hanimex, Maginon, Cosina and etc.
The ones with 2.8 starting aperture are optically better in almost every regard.
Nikon, Vivitar and Tokina have such good lenses.
There is also the rare Zeiss Vario-Pancolar 35-70mm 2.7-3.5 which is my personal favorite. It has a prime-like character with superb central sharpness and awesome bokeh. Here is a sample:

Only slow but good 35-70 is Leica's and Minolta's fixed 3.5 or 4.0 versions.
I want to also add the very rare Konica AR 2.8/35-100 varifocal lens to this list. I was able to find one but it needed a repair first. I can't wait to have it back. The only similar lens I can find is Zeiss's Vario Sonnar 2.8/40-120 for Contarex.

I agree with @Mustafa Dogan that it obviously isn't well-matched to the marketing spiel, but that we should just consider it on its merits.
Remember when half the P4K thread was just people jumping up and down about it having the word "Pocket" in the title?  I think this is similar 😂😂😂

I'd stay away from slow 35-70's made by Hanimex, Maginon, Cosina and etc.
The ones with 2.8 starting aperture are optically better in almost every regard.
Nikon, Vivitar and Tokina have such good lenses.
There is also the rare Zeiss Vario-Pancolar 35-70mm 2.7-3.5 which is my personal favorite. It has a prime-like character with superb central sharpness and awesome bokeh. Here is a sample:

Only slow but good 35-70 is Leica's and Minolta's fixed 3.5 or 4.0 versions.
I want to also add the very rare Konica AR 2.8/35-100 varifocal lens to this list. I was able to find one but it needed a repair first. I can't wait to have it back. The only similar lens I can find is Zeiss's Vario Sonnar 2.8/40-120 for Contarex.

Andrew... with this, you finally made me sign up and send my first post! After nearly a decade of only reading, I read this and couldn't resist the strong urge to reply your thoughts about Panasonic S1.
After months of meticulous comparing, I reached the same conclusions as you highlighted here and bought an S1 with 24-105. As a reseller in ebay, I'm lucky to always have a closet full of interesting lenses. No other camera is better than Panasonic S1 at breathing life into those lenses. It is an extremely convenient camera, which can deliver a stunning image with absolutely minimal effort at post video editing. The superb EVF makes it a dream to manually focus. IBIS so good that you never need a tripod. Auto ISO and auto WB always work perfect. The list goes on and on.
It is not the perfect allrounder like A7III. But as you say, if your priority is to make videos with manual focus, this camera is a no-brainer! Of course, I'd be very happy if it were less clumsier, if AF were better and if it had a wider lens selection (I especially miss a Sonnar 2.8/35 type compact lens). But for the price, this is complaining on a high level.
Here are some shots with 4 nice old gems:
 

I'd stay away from slow 35-70's made by Hanimex, Maginon, Cosina and etc.
The ones with 2.8 starting aperture are optically better in almost every regard.
Nikon, Vivitar and Tokina have such good lenses.
There is also the rare Zeiss Vario-Pancolar 35-70mm 2.7-3.5 which is my personal favorite. It has a prime-like character with superb central sharpness and awesome bokeh. Here is a sample:

Only slow but good 35-70 is Leica's and Minolta's fixed 3.5 or 4.0 versions.
I want to also add the very rare Konica AR 2.8/35-100 varifocal lens to this list. I was able to find one but it needed a repair first. I can't wait to have it back. The only similar lens I can find is Zeiss's Vario Sonnar 2.8/40-120 for Contarex.

What a gem this camera is.
I always get distracted by what else is coming out - GFX 100, SL2, X-T4, and the list goes on.
But when I look at my footage shot in Asia and Berlin on the GH2, I realised how effective locked down shots are with manual focus. Back when we had to use a tripod... Even the slightest shake is a distraction. There was no racking or AF during a shot either, that just ruined things. This was before follow focuses were common on mirrorless cameras... and the AF, well, it was useful for AF-S to lock off a subject and then you'd record and keep it there.
I continue to come back to the S1 because it is the spiritual successor to the GH2. It's not expensive (well, compared to an S1H or cine camera) so it's aimed at the same people. It's relatively small, smaller than an C200 or FS5 for example which are the smallest popular cine cameras. It has a very good battery and huge EVF. The IBIS is tip top. The image in V-LOG, 10bit 150Mbit astounding, yet the file sizes remain much smaller than 400Mbit ALL-I. The 4K 10bit image quality difference to the S1H hardly exists. The ability to load a LUT onto the live-view display and shoot with your favourite one - what other mirrorless camera does that for £1500?! It is amazing in low light, it's full frame, and you can leave the tripod at home.
I would take either over the X-T4 as it stands, good though that is.
Now the GFX 100 is marvellous... but it's £8k even used! The SL2 would be wonderful if it actually shot 4K without the battery error, so that ruins that. The Sony A7 III is fine, but the image just doesn't hold a candle to the S1.
So putting autofocus to one side and just shooting nice stuff the classic way... there is no better tool than the S1.
If you want to use manual lenses with IBIS and shoot 4K 10bit LOG, the S1 is the best camera out there, especially for the price. Although the Sigma Fp doesn't have the same amount of features or an EVF, or yet a LOG profile, I rate that highly as well.
Will do a round up of all the current cameras soon on EOSHD.