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Sony A7S III
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13 minutes ago, wolf33d said:That’s gonna be the same on any 10 bit 422 camera. That’s why Fuji went 420. Current PC hardware supports well h265 10bit 420 But not 422. So anything with this will be a nightmare to edit.
As for “incredibly soft 4k120p” we probably didn’t see the same footage.
Also, it’s already confirmed the 4K120 on the Sony will be limited by heat.
I agree on the file size. One other thing to mention is 4K120p records audio on the Sony, no audio on the Canon.I didn't actually realise the even the latest RTX cards don't support 4:2:2:
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Sony A7S III
In: Cameras
56 minutes ago, Django said:That article is way too detailed to be fake, besides we are technically July 28th in Europe.
Of course the limits are thermal, with unchanged A7 gen4 body and passive cooling they're not going to achieve miracles.
At 4k/30 the R IV is reading more data (5.9k oversampled) from the sensor than the S III at 60p and the R IV has a limit of 170 minutes (three times longer). Sure a much bigger sensor area is being read so maybe it's thermal limitations of the sensor. If it is then cool-down times at least should be acceptable.
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Sony A7S III
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1 minute ago, Django said:Well now that we know A7S3 will have thermal cutoffs, we need to focus on what we learned from the R5/R6 debacle.
Meaning how long and under what temp condition does 4K60p/K120p reach overheat?
What are the recovery times? Will 4K24p always be available? Will 10-bit 4K24p cause heating up?
Regardless, it looks like 1DX3 & S1H are still the only FF hybrids with internal 10-bit that don't overheat.. disappointing.
Well it might not even be real but even if it is it doesn't necessarily mean the limits are there because of thermals.
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Sony A7S III
In: Cameras
Surely not 200 Mb/sec for 4k/120?
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To be fair the 85mm RF is absolutely remarkable.
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32 minutes ago, Nezza said:
The good news keeps on coming!
Well this is just horrible. I was still interested even after everything I've read but the product just isn't fit for use.
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21 minutes ago, Django said:
Whaaaat? now that is pretty scary 😱
It's honestly looking more & more grim.
I really want an R5 but the A7S3 is calling my name if it proves to be a more reliable tool with not too many caveats.
Canon need to partner up with Tilta and include that cooling system in the box or else there is going to be a lot of angry campers out there!
I don't see how that peltier based solution can even work. I worked on them a long time ago and they were horrible inefficient, around 5% if you were lucky.
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It's the recovery times that are the real kicker. Even if they'd added somewhere with metal attached to the heatsinks to get some cooling between takes (maybe where the LCD goes) it would have been better rather than just insulating plastic everywhere.
I bet the internal cooling is sub-par too. You see it all the time with audio/computing gear. Cheap-ass thermal paste applied by a gorilla with a plastering trowel!
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13 minutes ago, rawshooter said:
If you look at his footage, you see that the textures are completely missing/smoothed out. Either there was some face smoothing filter active in the camera, or this is the price you pay for non-oversampled 4K with the camera. (YouTube compression can't be blamed for that.)
All faces look waxy, hair textures are either jaggy [=binning artefacts] or blurred out. This looks like video from first-generation video DSLRs, only at 4K instead of HD. You can see those shortcomings particularly well in his video because he doesn't use an ND filter and fast shutter speeds in their outdoor images, so there's no motion blur.
(1:1 screengrabs from the highest-quality, directly ripped YouTube stream),
Why can't you blame YouTube compression? I've seen this exact effect in other clips from other cameras and it was the compression used. Non oversampling may cause moire etc, but I've also seen footage that's incredibly detailed so i really don't think this is to blame.
8 hours ago, Yurolov said:yeah some dad from china does a better review than any of these so called professional reviewers cause he is focusing on how people are actually going to use the camera. It's a 4k 30p pixel binned camera with 10 bit 4:2:2 internal and with limited function in higher frame rates.
Canon should have advertised it that way and imposed hard limits on the 60p and 120p modes. People would have been less hysterical.
I thought it was skipping pixels/lines, not binning in the 4k30 low-quality mode?
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5 hours ago, sanveer said:
Hahaha. You can't turn turn hope into dreams. The camera heats in many modes, not just the absolutely best quality and bitrate ones. I wouldn'be surprised if it heats at 1080p too. After the first 30 minutes.
Just watched a YT vid. Even after two hours of cooling down (with battery out, screen flipped out and lens off), recording times were significantly reduced. That's crazy.
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Sony A7S III
In: Cameras
No IBIS means the sensor can be coupled directly to a cooling system. I fail to see how a tiny 74 pixels on each side (less than 2% off the full frame) crop (if it's using a 12MP sensor) is anywhere near enough for decent IBIS though.
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From his comments looks like you can still use the 5k oversampled 4k mode whatever the thermal status. I'd be happy with that even with the crop.
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13 minutes ago, Rar Jay said:
R5 seems a good trade off between body size and video recording capability. I think its great to be able to shoot such high spec video in a compact easy to handle system. I shoot travel/active/lifestyle stock footage and rarely need more than 1 or 2 minute clips. Also like that R5 seems to have Panasonic level IBIS.
For video work, long takes and on-set, I'd use a suitable camera with cooling fans.
I think those R5 recording times are expected and perfectly acceptable
I don't really have an issue with limited times as long as I have another body. It's the cooling down time and limited recording time afterwards that's the real kicker. A ten minute cool down to get 3 minutes recording isn't great.
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25 minutes ago, padam said:
Not sure this was discussed, but:
"Ok, now onto the sensor, a 20 Megapixel full-framer that’s based on the one in the 1Dx Mark III DSLR but now with a different low pass filter and able to support dual pixel autofocus on uncropped 4k 60p video – remember the 1Dx III made you choose between a crop or manual focus when filming 4k 60"
I wonder if it also means that the rolling shutter is not improved in 60p unlike the 1DX IIIIt has to be improved by definition in 60p surely? The maximum possible is under 17ms.
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5 minutes ago, jgharding said:
I think much weaker is a stretch, it has more than enough megapixels for most tasks, excellent DR and exceptional low light ability. The 50mm 1.4 S lens is as good if not better than the similar Canon offering.
It may not be the right camera for "most people", but I stand by stating it's the best hybrid for professional day to day use.
The point is the S1H actually does balance the features. That means losing certain things and gaining others. For most of it you get the near to best of both worlds.The 50 is great but that's pretty much it if you want native. No portrait lens (the 85mm RF is absolutely remarkable), no OIS on the zooms (other than the 70-200s), no F2.8 at the wide end etc. etc. I've got no problem with the Panasonic glass but the RF range is on another level.
Then there's the eye AF that just doesn't work a lot of the time and I say this from [painful] personal experience across a range of shoots. I recently tried an Eos R and the AF for stills was on another level to my S1. Let's not discuss for video...
I'm delighted with the still that come out of my S1 but the Eos R (and RF glass) has many, many advantages.
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3 minutes ago, Trankilstef said:
The S1H (that I personnally own) is weatherproofed and has a fan so it doesn't overheat. So Canon could have made this, but chose not to.
And frankly even with this overheating "issue", I'm very interested in this camera, for 2 reasons : AF in video, and lens selection available (all RF + all EF lenses). 2 main problems with the Panasonic full frame cameras.Same I'm a hybrid shooter and I'm still interested. I was going to get an S1H to partner my S1 but I think I might go with the R5 and use the S1 for longer recordings. That ND adaptor is fantastic, the RF glass is great (that 85mm....) and I think I could probably work around the limitations when I've also got the S1.
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2 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:
I'd pick the S1H over the R5 easily. A shame as the R5 does have the better IBIS and of course very good AF, but any camera that has to provide guidelines for overheating is a definite negative. I never asked for 8K. In fact, if they stuck to 6K with longer recordings, it would have been a better move in my opinion.
It will be interesting to see how this camera is used by buyers, and how the overheating impacts. Will it not be a problem at all for those who buy it for small clip recordings, or will it impact them as a cumulative effect. Rolling shutter still hasn't been tested. Nor has dynamic range. Will overheating impact image quality, more noise. There's a lot more to learn about this camera before anyone can make a proper judgement on it.
The R6 looks the more reliable choice, but then you lose DCI 4K from what I see, only IPB recording and H265 for 10 bit. Not a great fan of the codec. It's a tough one and a shame Canon have not offered a compromise between the R6 and R5, as camera features somewhere between both these cameras is something I would really want.
Other than Canon's specs, I don't think we really know if it's got better IBIS in video or not.
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2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:
Smartphone H.265 encoder / CPU are off the shelf components and not even expensive. Look at BOM cost for a Samsung S20.
Nothing to stop Canon from using latest 7nm node manufacturing if they wanted to.
The EOS R5 overheats because it is not the latest cutting edge silicon.
Frankly, for £4000 it should be!
This crap is common in so many industries. Music production is just the same; synths etc. are just rehashing silicon sometimes over a decade old. Smartphones have changed the market and I full agree; other areas should be exploiting the technology.
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Do we know how how much of the sensor is used in the 60/120? Someone on here mentioned they were binning 4 pixels into 1 for better light gathering, has this been confirmed?
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What happened to the incredible new glass that was going to arrive, revolutionary, never-before-seen lenses that could only be done with the Z mount? We got the Noct of course and the others are (very) sharp but I was expecting something a bit different (a 24-105 F2.8 perhaps or at least something). It's been nearly 2 years.
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25 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:
Panasonic in Japan have agreed to be interviewed for the blog.
I'll ask some questions from the EOSHD Forum.
Anything GH5 / GH5S / GH6 even. S1, S1H related and more
Fire away!
When will they enable electronic focus from a gimbal while using an external monitor on the S1 (as soon as you enable tethering the external monitor stops working). It stopped working with a bug in a GH5 update which was then carried over to the S1. Many have been asking about it for over a year(s?) and while they fixed it on the S1H, nothing for the S1.
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3 hours ago, scotchtape said:
Maybe they're like me and only use gimbal or tripod, no handheld. My hands are too shaky!Have you tried a camera with IBIS? You can get away with quite a awful lot!
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15 hours ago, sanveer said:
Interesting. I am wondering whether larger LCD would have been a better idea. Or using that money for mini XLR and better heat management, and cost cutting perhaps. Since the new sensor and redesigned body for the 10-bit video is going to already push the costs substantially. Plus the new sensor, and 9ther features.
This! I'd love mini XLRs and not need adaptors hanging off the camera. I guess it's always the compromise between hybrids and dedicated video cams.
Personally I love having a good EVF although that's probably partly down to becoming long-sighted as I get older and it being a pain to use an LCD!
Sony A7S III
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Do you know if the next-gen NV cards coming out support it?