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There are so many variables when it comes to how you're viewing the film images. Negative film has wide dynamic range and soft highlight rolloff. Positive film has much more limited dynamic range and pretty hard highlight rolloff. Faster film tends to be grainier. Filmmakers with a big budget would be choosing their film stock for aesthetic/style reasons. Imagine shooting Taxi Driver on the same technicolor low-grain film stocks that were used for The Sound of Music. Bright saturated colors would have been terrible for Taxi Driver. Scorcese chose less gritty films than some others might, but Travis Bickle lives in a relatively desaturated/dark world and that's for the best. Filmmakers with low budgets were likely to choose the cheapest film stock they could and some even used the leftovers that weren't exposed from the productions of others. Or in the case of John Waters, whatever film he could steal. Next, as you said, for these classic films, you aren't necessarily looking at scans from the master negatives. You might be looking at scans of the release prints. They didn't always save the masters. It could even be a second or third-generation print. Then to add to that, the way the film gets transferred matters. Did they scan the original negatives or a print? How was it scanned? Was the film being scanned perfectly flat? What compression was used on the scanned image? Was it scanned or telecine? If telecine, which projector lens was used during the telecine process? As far as the lenses, razor sharp lenses have been available for a long time, including in the 50's, and including wide angles. Lots of vintage wide angles are a little softer in the corners, but they can be very crisp in the center... but fashion applied in many eras of film, just as it applies now. For some of the softer images, especially close-ups, they might have been using a net filter, made more complicated by the net filter potentially being mounted behind the lens instead of in front. https://www.provideocoalition.com/the-secret-life-of-behind-the-lens-nets/ I'm sure I'm forgetting more things too. Like almost anything going through an analog to digital process, there are about a bazillion variables to consider along the way.

Famously, the greases that Leica used in their old lenses would evaporate and deposit on lens elements over time. It can be cleaned, but the danger of evaporation/depositing is real!

The faster the lens being boosted, the more likely you'll have some speed booster artifacts. Even with Metabones, I don't think I'd go past 1.2. If you really wanted to go that way, and it's off-topic for this thread, but I'd suggest looking at the Voigtlander 29/0.8 which, IIRC, is native for M43.

Starting at $770!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Guess they saw GoPro's pricing on the Mission 1 series and said "hold my beer."

This is correct. Depending on the emulsion, grain is also not sized uniformly. And since you posted the Take 2 Films' tour of Kodak, it's also worth pointing out their latest film is comparing a couple of different film stocks and methods of processing them. This aligns with something that I frequently say - "film look" is meaningless as a phrase, given that different films have different characteristics - and depending on processing, can take on even more other characteristics.

Still no info on whether it's IMX410 (it probably is), but Kinefinity have wisely dropped the price. It's now $2,499 and that's with a built-in 220GB SSD. They also are offering a break on preorders so it's only $1,999 in the short term. IMO, $1,999 is the correct price. That puts it really close to the Nikon ZR which has a lot of fairly similar specs, but also can shoot raw internally, just at the cost of a really dumb placement for the battery/memory card. Time will tell, but overall, not a bad value at all. I hope they get some good sales. https://www.cined.com/kinefinity-vista-confirmed-at-2499-full-frame-6k-open-gate-220gb-built-in-ssd-610g-body/

Oh, I wasn't getting as fancy as anybody's sensor stack or anything like that. I just meant smaller lenses which didn't need to decide to have an image circle that covers S35 or any other larger sensors. The Laowa 7.5mm that you mentioned is a fantastic example of a lens designed for Micro 4/3 and I'd be shocked if its image circle would cover S35. I'd contrast that with something like a Rokinon Xeen. You can go buy one with an MFT mount, but it'll be the same design/glass that you'd find on the same model of Xeen for FF. It'll work fine, of course - but the lens is bigger and heavier than it needs to be. In that case, of course, there's an EF mount version which would make more sense on a focal reducer.

That depends on which back-bone modded camera you get. Their modded Sony RX0 has a 1" sensor, passive MFT mount, and the exact same crop factor as the Mission 1 (if I remember right). My modded Insta360 One RS also has a 1" sensor and a passive MFT mount. It suffers from lack of any option for wired monitoring - so one either needs to focus on the tiny action camera screen or over wireless which can get laggy at the most inconvenient times. It's pretty great, though, for setting up to record with fixed focus (I shot the eclipse with it, for example). The GoPro has at least some option for wired monitoring so that'll be nice. It's possible, even, that one of the older 0.58x boosters made for the OG BMPCC would work (if you could find one). My Metabones 0.64x and 0.71x boosters work fine with the Insta360. Though it's sometimes more fun to use it with a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter. With a 1.4x, the Canon 100-400 becomes a 140-560 with an equivalent view of about 380-1500mm. That can be pretty fun in nature. I don't need to anticipate it. I've lived it and I know the limitations don't bother me too much. But mainly, the ergonomics of an action camera are poorly-suited to trying to hold the camera and manually focus. Mission 1 seems to be a little bigger than some others and it has a small protruded grip on the right side which could help a bit. But otherwise, one ends up with the right hand curved into a weird claw, trying to hold the camera steady while the left hand turns the focus ring. If the focus ring is stiff, it can look pretty funny. Mounting a handle to the camera can help and it feels a little more like carrying around an 8mm or 16mm film camera. Passive MFT mount means that indeed, autofocus won't work. It also means that aperture won't work on a majority of Panasonic/Olympus lenses - and in some cases, manual focus won't work on them since they're focus-by-wire. Removing Pany/Oly doesn't leave a ton of lenses that are optimized for M43. Veydra mini-primes were nice (and still are, can't remember who bought the Veydra brand)... There are some nice Voigtlanders that are MIcro 4/3 designs. But a lot of the other third-party makers just take their S35 or FF lenses, jam on a M43 mount, and call it good. For me, I'm much more interested in it as a platform to mount my C-mount and some D-mount lenses. Like I have a 13mm f/1.9 Yvar which could be fun - or a positively tiny 15mm f/2.8 Yvar. But like I said, I think a lot of people are going to find that a 1" sensor with a passive MFT mount sounds like fun, but will balk once they start using it and realizing, for example, that they actually need a monitor to effectively focus it.

I was going to comment on the gate weave. For me, it's a little much. If you told me it was shot on 70's-era 16mm, I probably wouldn't second guess you after watching it. I think that in some shots, the blur/lack of detail might go a little too far - like the shot of all the trees with orange leaves seems a little too blurry to me and looks a little closer to super 8 than to 16mm. Otherwise, great job!

It's not just the ILS model that is $700 - it's the Mission 1 Pro as well. Currently the Hero 13 normally sells for about $430 and they are often on sale for $350. The Insta360 Ace 2 and DJI Osmo Action 5 are in generally the same price range. At least for traditional action camera use cases, it's a relatively hard sell to say that Mission 1 Pro is worth almost twice the price. For the ILS, Back-Bone haven't exactly been lighting the world on fire with sales. I think that there will be a first wave of adopters who quickly dislike the limitations of a 1" sensor with a passive MFT mount. I'm excited for it, but not at $700. Maybe a year or so after it's released, the price will drop. It's a lot more interesting at the price of the current Hero 13.

For years now, the EF 35-350 has been near the top of my "will I or won't I" pile. So far, still "won't I," but one of these days, i'm gonna get a wild hair to search and find a great deal..

I worded my response badly! I meant that the $700 US price tag was "already there" in terms of 'exorbitant, ridiculous, and "this is just an action camera - WTF"' which Kye had just said in anticipation of the AU pricing. I should have chosen phrasing that made it more clear that I wasn't simply repeating US pricing that is already known. 😅

Their strategy is similar to the one that I've been taking for a little while now - I used to hard mount more things to the cameras, but now I'm doing more with nato mounts and arri rosettes, but still keeping things compact. I've also been experimenting a little bit with some of the newer locking quick swap stuff - hawklock from Smallrig and the spider crab stuff from ifootage. They're both alright. Their setup is really clean/nice, but if it's shown cabled up at some point, I missed it. That's the biggest problem I've had (and still haven't solved in a way that I find satisfactory) in moving away from hard mounting my rig/parts. That one is gonna need an HDMI going from the camera to the monitor as well as the power cable going from the battery to the monitor. Their short type c cable shouldn't be too intrusive when plugged in, but the rest of the cables can get/feel a bit obnoxious.

The $700 price tag in the US is already there!

As a counterpoint, their marketing seems to be working, given that they are now reporting big delays due to higher-than-expected preorders. https://nofilmschool.com/panasonic-lumix-l10-delays Of course, that could also be marketing and/or indicative that they just didn't make many in the first batch to force Fujifilm-esque shortages. This is somewhat true, I suppose, but Sony is still announcing/releasing 4K full frame MILC cameras and people are buying them. Nothing says Panasonic has to release 6K or 8K in a tiny body. If Panasonic released a camera in the GM5 body with the sensor from the GH5 or GH5s for $700, I'd be all over it. In fact, GoPro is releasing an action camera with terrible ergonomics, a smaller sensor, and a 1" mount for $700 and there's all kinds of buzz/excitement around it. If GoPro can cool an 8K sensor in an action camera body, why not Panasonic in a MILC body with 2x the volume? How long can the new GoPro bodies record 4K without overheating? Bet it's "until the battery dies."