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I'm definitely no electronic engineer, but the 10-15x estimate seems high to me. A sensor that is 2-4x the size and with 2x the photosites of the C70 would presumably cost more than the C70 sensor (oversized S35), but 15x seems awfully extreme. At its core, it's primarily just a second output channel from each photosite that gets amplified differently and then the two are merged with an extremely simple algorithm. The extra processing requirements for that are not all that high - and, again, a fairly small camera from 2020 was able to do it at 4K with no problem.

Indeed! If it isn't a DGO sensor, I'm not too certain that I have a reason to care about this camera much. It's not to say it'd be bad, just that it wouldn't do much that's better/different from cameras I already own - and 3:2 recording isn't a big selling point for me. I'm not sure that DGO needs that much more bandwidth, though. The C70 could do it from 4K all the way back in 2020. Surely, we've come far enough in 5 years that it could now be done on a smaller body with 3-4x the data rate! 😉 Anyway, I'm hopeful.

I'm on the other side - if they put a 6K DGO sensor in that body, it's almost definitely for me. I'd be so pumped to have DGO in such a small body - not to mention dedicated timecode so I don't kill my ears before I remember to mute the audio track that has the scratchy timecode sound. The biggest questions would be what existing gear I'd be selling in order to finance the purchase and whether I'd be waiting for used models to become available. 😅

Ergonomics look good. CF Express is nice and a welcome surprise, given that the rumors are for 6K resolution and the C80 which is also 6K only has dual SD card slots. That was my first thought, but the C80 also has them so there must be more Canon adapters that can be screwed in? Or maybe this one is high-end APS-C? I'd be very OK with that.

The only "Red tech" that anybody is likely to really care about is Redcode and/or the Red's sensors. If Nikon release some sort of entry-level camera where the only Red tech is a color profile to have SOOC colors look like Red's image, I hope their people doing the presentation are going to be wearing fireproof suits because they will get flamed.

Other than the sensors and Redcode, it's hard to think of what interesting tech there is to add. Redcode to SD card? 🤣 Maybe in MQ, LQ, and ELQ modes (in modern Red terminology) and maybe in LQ at 3:2. "HQ - High data rate - Up to ~ 280 MB/s (~30 minutes recording time)* MQ - Medium data rate (default) - ~175 MB/s (~48 minutes recording time)* LQ - Lowest data rate - ~110 MB/s (~1 hour and 17 minutes recording time)* * Data rate assumes camera settings at 6K 17:9, 23.98 FPS. Recording time assumes a 512 GB CFast card. Your actual data rate will depend on complexity of the shooting scene and capture settings. Data rates subject to change with future updates." (https://docs.red.com/955-0196_v1.6/Content/4_Menus/ProjSet/R3D_Quality.htm) SD card benchmarks: https://alikgriffin.com/ultimate-guide-memory-cards/ The very fastest one tested managed 268MB/s write speed and I'd be willing to bet that the person writing the article didn't write continuously for 10+ minutes. MicroSD, on the other hand, just seems insane. Proxies, maybe? But why? Who is asking for MicroSD in a full-sized camera? A second SD card which can plug directly into most laptops would make a lot more sense.

Anything is possible, of course, and I have absolutely no insight beyond rumors, but it still seems a little weird to me. It should be a lot less computationally expensive to handle QB readout (I think this might even be done by circuitry in the sensor itself) than to take a 7K image and downsample it to 6K at high quality. Seems like it'd be a pretty big hit on battery life and heat. Good thing it's rumored to have a fan! Although wasn't there recently a camera that came out and still overheated, even though it had a fan? Maybe Canon's management saw that and got upset that somebody invented a hammer that they never even imagined and they instantly put their best people on it. 😉

I'm glad - I do my best every day to forget them. 😉 (I also forgot Kai and Lok, but less intentionally)

Sure, but if it's not at all hybrid, it's kind of a weird decision to put in a 7K sensor and downsample from it vs just using a native 6K sensor. It's not to say that they wouldn't, just that it'd be a little weird. Similarly, the A7SIII/FX3 are both 12 megapixel stills cameras. While you can find some stills photographers who don't mind 24, a lot more who are OK with 33, and the vast majority are OK with 45. You're really not going to find many who will accept 12.

The new camera is coming out at a similar price point to the R5 II and I know several people who bought R5 series cameras primarily for video work. I'd be glad to be wrong about this one, of course. And as Django pointed out, they might go e-shutter only which would be likely to turn off a lot of photographers. Of course, if RS is <10ms, that might un-turn off some of them. Speaking for myself, the biggest question is whether it would have DGO. I would take 33 megapixels with 2 extra stops thanks to DGO over 45 megapixels. OLPF might also be a thing that would push it more to the strictly video side of things, but if it had one and between DGO and OLPF, it had an image like the C70, but in a smaller body with better low-light performance and more reliable AF, it might be in the rare category of cameras that I'd be excited enough to buy new as opposed to waiting 6-12 months for them to get a 10% price drop on the used market...

The C80 has internal ND and there's almost no way this one does, based on the size. C80 also has XLR, SDI, and about a bazillion buttons that this one doesn't. On paper, the R5C had a number of advantages over the C70, including better AF and 8K shooting. But it also lacked internal ND, XLR, etc. If I were Canon, I'd honestly be a lot more concerned about sales of the R5 II than the C80/C400 if this camera has most of the rumored specs. Especially if it has a DGO sensor, I'd gladly take that over 8K recording and 10-15 more megapixels for still photos.

The rumor that was highlighted said it was "optional" which would absolutely imply detachable. 6K vs 4K, internal raw, and rumored DGO sensor would all be better on a spec sheet. But it's also true that we're in a time of decreasing returns. The FX3 is a great camera. It makes a good image, can work with very little light, has fantastic autofocus, and it's small/portable. Everything about it is absolutely enough for the vast majority of current productions. You could just as easily respond that you don't care about 6K, raw, or an extra stop or two of dynamic range and you'd be absolutely correct. On the other hand, Canon has lost a lot of their video production market share and they need something that they can point to when current users say they want something like an FX3, and ideally a little better than the FX3 so that their users still feel good buying Canon stuff.

So now we know there aren't XLR on the body itself, but we also know that Canon are releasing a first-party XLR hotshoe adapter (maybe it'll be backward-compatible with R5C/R5 II, etc).

And yet, Leica, Panasonic, Sigma, Pentax, Fuji, OM System, and others seem to keep making and selling cameras despite the market dominance of Canon/Nikon/Sony. Guess you know more than the bosses at any of those companies as well. You should let them know about the futility of competing with the big 3, especially Fuji. They only had around 3 of the 5 top-selling cameras at Map Camera in 2024 and should probably quit before they embarrass themselves any further, as obviously nobody can compete with the big 3. DJi would clearly be better-served focusing on the enormous market segment that is... 360 cameras. 🤣

No, it would send the message that the lens mount that they invented for drones in 2017 is not suitable for a general-purpose MILC. And again, to release a new camera with 6 overpriced and mediocre first-party lenses available for it would be fucking stupid and almost nobody would buy it. They'd anger almost none of the existing customers who own those lenses which, again, includes me, a person who would never buy them for any system that I didn't expect to be hurtling through air at 60mph/100km/h. It's not at all clear what would be gained by swapping some mounts and rebranding Viltrox lenses as first-party lenses, especially if those lenses are already available for other existing mirrorless systems. The smart play if they want to have a fixed mount is L mount, a system which comes with great lenses already available from first-party makers like Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma - and a bunch of third-party lenses from all of the usual suspects and which they already support and sell. Other than "sends a message that they don't believe in your system," you have yet to present any sort of even remotely coherent argument for how DL mount would make any sense - or how not including DL mount would impact the sales of the drones or Ronin 4D which are the only cameras in existence that can currently use it. As to their interest in entering the market, it's not impossible to think that the success of the Ronin 4D and Pocket 3 have them considering adding something in-between the two. A few years ago, you might also have insisted that DJI would have no interest in entering the action camera market and competing with GoPro - but now they're 3 generations into that. Or just a few months ago, you might have insisted that they'd have no interest in competing with Insta360 with 360 capture, but yet, they did that too. They also wouldn't be "entering" the market. They are in the MILC market with the Hasselblad brand which they own. And yet, they also probably won't use the Hasselblad mount and that also won't send a message that they "don't believe in their own system."