Video Hummus

Still better than Canon R and RP.

Just came from Tony’s Myth V Reality Canon RP addition (with a RP giveaway!!!) No crapping on anybodies dreams there. Just a relaxed hand waving and “who needs this or that” line. Watch them side by side (S1 vs RP) and tell me this man isn’t full of a bunch of canon $100 bills. watch for yourself if you can stomach it. You might win the turd of a camera he is giving away!

No DPAF in 4K Weird exclusion of 1080p 24fps Everybody is slow clapping Canon.

I will be surprised if it has good DPAF in 4K. If it does have no crippled DPAF with a 1.5x crop at the rumored price point then they have something very interesting and a lot of mad EOS R owners.

If Canon would release a camera without some major gotchas at a decent price range, I'd buy one. But it seems they always cripple some aspect of the camera that is hard to compromise for to push you up into the $4K price range. I mean, we are buying gear that costs as much as a decent used car, why should I have to choose between 1.7x 4K crop with sub-par (but not dealing breaking in most cases, but can ruin your day when you need to push your gear) RS in 2019? Or no DPAF in 4K (which I think the RP will have; hope not!). I'm actually not very excited for 2019 because Sony has started an arms race and owns the sensor market and I feel like Worse is Better is going to win out. Canon would do well if released a good mirrorless camera sub $3K without their stupid crippling segmentation strategy. Their new mirrorless entries really feel like old tech with a fresh coat of paint and some lipstick. Not even evolutionary, just relying on the fact that DPAF is still not quite matched.

I would hope Panasonic would focus on: Increased DR - At least 2 extra stops Thick internal codecs - H265 and a high bitrate ALL-I External RAW output Dual ISO - Improved lowlight performance over GH5 Improved manual focus features Improved autofocus (because everybody wants it and whines about it) Don't care much about 8K.

Nothing will beat a three axis gimbal but with some ninja waking and some stabilization I’ll take this over shaking footage if that’s the look I’m going for.

Yes, I agree. Throw enough money at something with the right faces and it will still make money.

It’s Canon. It will be 4K without DPAF. ?

Uh, they looked almost like GoPro hypersmooth levels. Did you watch it at 13:30? It’s the best IBIS we’ve seen so far, I’m not saying it’s a revolution.

I think the most compelling feature in this camera is the IBIS. Watch starting somewhere at 13:30.

Man, I wish Panasonic would release something in this form factor with 4K @ 120p and 2.5K @ 240p, dual ISO around 800 and 3200, and beefy codecs. Like a mini Kinefinity Terra 4K for around $2,300 that takes native MFT glass and has GH levels of water / weather sealing.

Yes, this 100%. Sometimes a lot of the Netflix Originals just look and feel like they are trying too hard. When some of the better movies and films are simply about story and less with all the crazy explosions and fancy (and expensive) special effects and stuff. If the story is good, viewers don't care!

I'm thinking GH6. I have higher doubts that there will be a GH7 in 4 years.

Oh, I'm mistaken. I thought canon had some investment into that company. Sorry about that.

I own a GH5S. It's brilliant. Low light is not a problem. DoF is really not a problem. I can shoot in C4K at 60p with a 1.8x crop factor. I have the creative freedom to shoot at 180 FPS for a particular shot. I can put a speedbooster on it and slap a Canon EF lens on it and have a 1.15x crop factor (a 70-200mm F2.8 will be a 80.5-230 F3.2 DoF)! I have a great lens selection, because I can adapt almost ANY LENS onto my camera! I have great built in preamps. I have a great native XLR hotshoe adapter for my camera. I have VERY useable autofocus for vlog style shots or something that doesn't need precision AF. I can slap on a 100-400mm f2.8-4 MFT (full frame eq.) telephoto lens that can fit in my f*king pocket and cost 80% the price and 40% the weight. Micro 4/3 is a great system. I think it's best strengths are in video, especially. I think thats why Olympus is a hard sell anymore. Look at the Kinefinity Terra 4K. It's got basically the same sensor as the GH5s / BMPC4K and can do up to 4K 100fps and 2K up to 240fps. The video is gorgeous. The mount options are extremely flexible. And it's under $10K. People that say M4/3 isn't good don't know what they're talking about or are so biased they can't admit there are things out there that rival whatever they like. It can do lowlight (and as sensors improve this won't be an argument anymore) It can do extreme telephoto inexpensively and without much bulk It has DoF advantages for telephoto shots It can be adapted to do shallow DoF if you need it It allows more creative frame rates in a smaller package (smaller sensor, less heat, etc...) It can do built in IBIS better than larger sensors (smaller sensor, less inertia, better IBIS...look at the Oly E1X for example...it's basically a built in gimbal) It can still take great photos It can take 50MP to 80MP photos of landscapes with Pixel shift tech. It can't do anything larger than 8K. It can't replicate exactly the "full frame look". It can't boost your ego if all you care about is sensor size. Yes, I'm a M4/3 fanboy because the GH5S is a great video camera. The mount is very flexible. The tech in the latest rounds of M4/3 cameras makes it even more flexible. But in general the entire M4/3 system has an image problem because people just can't seem to get over that tiny looking sensor. At the same time I can see the benefits of full frame cameras and I see advantages in owning both systems. I really wanted Panasonic to knock it out of the park with the S line. I hope they can improve upon the initial launch specs, because it looks like a great camera.

I think that’s more Panasonic justifying their use of DfD contrast detection than the downsides of PDaf because despite image artefacts the market says people don’t seem to care or notice (or at least prefer better AF over image artefacts). They must believe they have the capability to make DfD work. I think DfD af in the latest cameras does pretty good in most situations. I think as the processors get faster and AI rountines get better at tracking objects DfD might come into its own. Or Panasonic is developing something else in the meantime and doesn’t want to pay licensing fees to Sony to incorporate PDAf tech in their sensors which means higher margins for them. Its been good enough for me in the GH5s for when it made sense. Yes. I thinks it’s more Olympus dropping the ball a bit. Not that M4/3 is dead. I’m actually more sure we will see a video focused GH6 in the future. I agree. I was surprised with that agressive pricing. Maybe release high and offer high discounts?

I never said it would ruin all shots. Just specific ones. I find it hard to believe you had no issues because I’ve done the same on the A7iii and had some rolling shutter evident in the shot. The EOS R 4K RS is far worse and more likely to ruin fast moving shots. But it’s fine. You like your camera. Go shoot with it and make great content. Only camera gear heads like us care what something was shot on ? If RS didn’t matter we wouldn’t be measuring sensor read out speeds. Expensive cinema cameras wouldn’t have global shutters. And the EOS R would be a slightly better camera.

Nice. No mention if he was filming in 4K or 1080p. 4K is much worse. Have a vlogger use it (it’s got a flip screen right perfectly made for it) have them film in 4K. Whoops it’s got a 1.7x crop that even at 16-35mm will feel close. Have them walk around filming in 4K and you will feel like you are on acid in some whackey fun house mirror room every time they swing the camera to show you something. Take a nice ride on a train, a car, or a bus if you prefer. Film out the window in 4K. Doesn’t matter? Filming some birds in 4K. You track them as you pan with their flight. Enjoy the jello telephone polls, lamp posts, and trees. It matters.

Yes, as long as DPAF isn't crippled in some silly (canon) way and the TERRIBLE EOS R rolling shutter is improved, then yes it will be a good camera.

Seems to compete in price with the EOS R. Both the are in the $2400 range. Both have similarly expensively priced glass (canon's maybe a bit more intriguing to me) but I'd say the S1 is a better hybrid camera.

I respect your opinion and experience here. Much like with cars, it can go fast but still be an ugly car at the end of the day. The classics always have something special about them. I guess I just don't think I value that canon "special sauce" as much as you do for the prices they want for it. I think companies like Fuji and Panasonic are creeping up in this area with competitive products. I also think the "special sauce" is a decade or more of visual bias caused by watching A LOT of media shot on Canon cinema cameras. At the end of the day I think we are all constantly seeking confirmation that we have the best tool because we spent our hard earned money on it. Especially if we spent a lot and feel threatened by newer gear. I just prefer not to feed the canon segmentation machine.

A friend has one and so I’ve had some hands on time with it. He had only EF lenses because the RF ones cost a kidney. So that is my limit with it. The auto focus was worst than the 5DmIV and as a 1080p camera it was decent. But I’m not gonna pay 2500 for that shite in 2019. Yes it has canon colors. But imo, there are other great baked in colors form Panasonic and to an extent newer Sony bodies. The touch pad is a mistake in my opinion. I was poking fun after Peter sold it as his next camera because the limitations would make him a better professional ?‍♂️. Yet he doesn’t use it for anything but stills. That’s telling. Tony says it’s a great “family cam”. OKAY. The R is not as good as Canon could do. That’s the sad part and I think this RP is the same story.

The real question is, but when is Peter McKinnon switch to the EOS RP?

Yes they were and compared to other things on the market at the time they were considered “toy” cameras and Pro wannabes. All things considered with this camera, Panasonic did a good job here. I’m mean look at the EOS R. It’s a utter trash hybrid camera. Even the Dpaf in that thing isn’t quite as good as what I’ve seen with the S. I think panasonic did a bad job here with tempering people’s expectations of this camera and what it’s aimed at. Most people want a pretty good hybrid full frame option. Panasonic at least attempted it, unlike Canon. I hope Panasonic can make this a success. Otherwise we have less and, imho, worst options out there.